Angeles City

[MrHappyKat]

Just returned from a one-month trip to the Philippines between February 20 and March 19,2024. Reports are posted in the 3 areas visited: Makati, Angles City and Manila. Please look for my handle under each city to view all reports.

See Report #1 in the Makati Board (link).

Report #2 - Angeles City.

Travel day yesterday brought me from Makati to Angeles City. Jetlag was kicking my butt so once I settled int my hotel room at Score Birds I decided to grab a bite then a drink at the bar before heading to bed alone to sleep it off. Today, I had Sugar Date #2 scheduled for lunch time. I had some juice and coffee down by the pool bar and fought with the spotty WiFi to catch up on emails. The day before I had messaged my date asking to meet at 12:30 and she never confirmed. Troubling. Around 10:30 am I messaged her again and asked for confirmation. No reply.

I started looking at the dating apps with paid subscriptions; Seeking, PinayLove, and Filipino Cupid. All three have been producing multiple POT's every day. As it looked like my second Seeking date was going to be a NCNS I wanted to line up a replacement. It took me about an hour to vette 3 POTs, I booked one at 4:00 pm today, and the others every other day for the next 4 days. Dianne is 23,5'0" and 100 lbs. She has some baby damage but has a cute face ad was DTF bb for a low, low 1,600 PHP (about $30 US). She arrived at 4:40 (Philippina time) and we headed up to my room for a no-frills quickie. She showered and delivered a reasonable performance ending with an internal finish.

We cleaned up and she was out the door and off to resume whatever adventures life has for her.

I will grab some dinner and then I'll do a club crawl along walking street. Doubt I will be ready to pull another girl today. Plus, I'm starting to think I should see if I can pull all my sessions off dating apps as a primary source, and use the bars when an app-based date doesn't work out, as I did in Makati.

Next report will pick up with tonight's club crawl adventure.

Report #3 - Angeles City.

Popped in to a few WS clubs like Q-Bar, Atlantis, Dollhouse, Genesis, and Gold Moon. By far the biggest disappointment was Gold Moon. At 11:00 pm on a Saturday zero customers, maybe 15 frumpy girls, all sitting down in seats scattered around including the stage, fixated on their phones. At every other club I entered, there were at least 2 or 3 girls I would consider physically doable. I had a date scheduled from PinaLove the next day at lunch. I actually met her last time I was in AC (Mar, 2023) and she apparently did not remember our meeting at ABC Hotel because why would she? She messaged me on PL and we quickly moved to WhatsApp, where she asked for 2,500 PHP - 500 less that she asked for last year. The next day, we connected in the hotel lobby and as we headed to the elevator, she finally recognized me, and promptly asked for more to match the 3,000 from our last date. I laughed it off, and thought that if she was as good as I remember I would gladly tip her that 500 anyway. What I should have done was immediately reject her and send her on her way. Minimal BJ time, and she wants to mount up. I was enjoying it and wanted to extend the fun. So I asked her to go down on me again. She made a face, and was reluctant as she made a big show of wiping down the equipment and telling me she was too tired. WTF? This killed my mood, of course, and I cold not find the motivation to continue. After a few more unenthusiastic attempts to rehabilitate me, I called her off and let her know we were done. I gave her the 2,500 she asked for earlier and sent her on her way.

Fortunately, I've learned over the years to always have a back up plan. One of the Bar Gilrs I met at Genesis really checked all my boxes. After buying her a drink and chatting / feeling her up I asked her if she would be working on Sunday or Monday. She was, both days. She told me she would do LT for 5,000 and was comfortable with all of my special requests. Then I did something I originally saw suggested on this board. To much criticism. I had printed some business cards with my first name and WhatsApp number. It was a $25 experiment (Amazon is your friend) and so I thought why not try it. I gave her the card as I paid my drink bill and asked her to connect with me, not know if she would do it, or just toss my card in the trash. About 6 hours later, I got her message.

The next morning, before the failed PL date, she asked me if I would be coming to see her at work. I told her it would depend on what my friend wanted to do, not mentioning that my "friend" was 20 yr. Old 4'11" 96 lb. Blond. After I kicked that blond out I messaged the Genesis girl asking if she was available to met. She was, but only for short time (for 2,500) before she went to work. I suggested I meet her an hour into her shift and take her LT and she agreed. Now even in my Sugar Dating hobby, I rarely have an overnight. But I figured I'd rather use the extended time to be with her outside the bedroom 1st by getting dinner and chatting. She had given me the vibe that she could engage in conversation, and we could connect a bit first. This turned out to be an accurate assessment. I took her to T-Backs for dinner. I had that place on my list to try, and I figured she may appreciate a location other than the usual Walking Street joints. We had a nice dinner and headed back to the hotel. After a mutual shower it was on. We had already taken some pics together at dinner. Now that she was naked and shower-fresh she wanted me to take more. Yay! We had an energetic session. She was my favorite type of partner, something I can only describe as "aggressively submissive. " With a very satisfying CIP ending we tidied up and went to sleep cuddled up and happy. In the morning, we showered, and I took her downstairs for breakfast. Tummies fed and coffee consumed I sent her off in a trike to the bus station where she made the 2 hour trip home to see her daughter. I slipped her a 500 PHO tip as she left, and she seemed very happy.

That afternoon, I decided to to do a short Perimeter Rd crawl starting at ACE, where they had a suprising number of younger, slimmer girls. Only 2 of the 15 girls there were chubby. The rest of the area bars would not open until 6 pm. So I headed back to WS and did some Kokomos rail hang time before checking out Angel Witch. Yes, yes. Angel Witch is one of the older bars on WS and it seems like the original bar girls are still working there. Not one under 40 years old or under 135 lbs. I headed back to my hotel to write this chapter of my reports. *.

*Side note: as I am typing the blond failure just messaged me asking if she could try again. "That's a negative, Ghost Rider. The pattern is full. ".

Tomorrow, I have one more Seeking date lined up for lunch. She confirmed this morning. We shall see.

Report #4 - Angeles City.

My 3rd planned date from Seeking went ok. Just ok. Sadly she had gained about 15 lbs. Since her profile pics were taken 3 years ago. Stil cute, just a bit thick for me. I had asked her to arrive at 12:30 for lunch. But. Philippina time happened. She arrived at nearly 2 pm, and declined lunch, telling me she was late because she had stayed home to eat with her siblings. I can be flexible on dates, of course, as long as the main event stays center stage. We headed up to my room and chilled on the bed chatting. It didn't take long for me to see she was very shy. And by "shy" I mean Introverted on steroids. I had her lay down next to me and as we talked I started gently caressing her. After slowly removing some of her clothes, we started kissing. Eventually, I got her panties off and decided to hep her relax at an accelerated rate by going down. Maybe 20 minutes later she had her 3rd or 4th O. Well she seemed pretty relaxed by then. She reciprocated and it was game on. After, she told me she had to go back home to care for her younger siblings and I handed over her allowance. Net / Net: At least my 3rd Seeking date showed up.

I had connected with another ISG member who was also at Score Birds and we decided to do an afternoon club crawl. He wanted to get a quickie on the books ASAP. So we strolled around WS until he found what he wanted.

I caught up with him later at the hotel and we decided to head back out. I wasn't seeing anyone that checked my boxes, but he did. On my way back to the hotel, my girl from Genesis pinged me and wanted to see me. Not really interested in a 5,000 bar fine, I suggested she come to my room after her shift ended at 2:00 am and she agreed. I took a nap and she arrived around 2:15 am. After a fantastic session ending with a BBFSCIP finish, she curled up under the covers and we cuddled as we fell asleep. In the morning, she got up early, as she needed to leave for Manila on some family business (ok, no idea if that was true.). She stared to leave and I had to stop her to take some allowance - 2500. As far as I can tell, she was not expecting that. Now before you start piling on me for walking into a noob trap, I can spot the long game just fine, thank you. She is a sweet girl who fucks like a wildcat. So I will ride that kitty any time it's convenient, and if I get it at a discount, or free, that's just fine with me. But I have no desire to bring stray bar girls home to the US.

I have a PL date arriving at 1:00 pm today, and I'm working up 4 other potential dates from Seeking and PL. And as I've seen over a week now in AC, there is PLENTY of talent available on WS and Perimeter. I also have yet to explore the dance club FL market. More on that next report. I think.

Report #5 - Angeles City.

Dance Clubs TLDR: Eureka, Hammer, Mega Dance. If you're old and fat, don't bother.

Eureka. Big club, 2 flights of stairs to get inside. Booths seating 12-15 cost 10 k consumable, smaller booths in the back half are 5 k. Maybe 2/3 of the booths occupied, by Korean groups. In the main floor area, small cocktail-style tables without chairs. Groups of 2 to 6 at each table made up of guys, or women, or mixed. Large raided stage at the far end with a pair of DJ's playing techno-crap at ear-crushing volume, while a dance squad of "pudgies" dance around. If not in a booth, drinks and food are pay-as-you-order. Maybe there are some freelancers, or call center girls going UTR freelancers, but you will need to be playing a baller with 2 to 3 buds in your booth to pull them with offers of free drinks. I finished my SML and bailed. Not for me. Hammer, Mega Dance, didn't go in but they look to be the same businees model, perhaps with lower prices?

My PinaLove date arrived as scheduled at 1:00 pm. Up to the room for a satisfying session ending with CIP - 2 k.

Spent the rest of the day club hopping: Doll House, XS, Club 123, and CosPlay. Nothing new to report.

Grabbed dinner at Papi's Bar and Chill (recommended). Then decided to scout the perimeter locations: Candy Bar, Showtyme, Black Satin, and CNBC. Short review: One or two cuties at each location (besides CNBC - 100% fuglies). But the girls at each club were zombies, doing the bar girl shuffle as if all their hope and dreams have been sucked out of them by Emperor Palpatine.

Report #6 - Angeles City.

Sisters! . well sort of.

I was ready to head back to Walking Street. I had met a dancer at Lollipop 2 days before and I was looking to bar fine her long time. She's closer to 30 than 20 but I was into her. Our chat 2 days before was fun and we seemed to click. I had some dinner and strolled down the street to Lollipop and entered ready to. Find out she wasn't working that night. I was there, so I grabbed a seat and spent some time scoping the remaining talent. Now IMO Lollipop is one of the top 3 clubs for sheer talent (including XS and Atlantis). After 10 minutes, I found one girl giving me the come-hither look. Being the consummate veteran monger that I am, I completely went for it. Angelyne is 4'10", maybe 97 lbs. , flat tummy and has just a slight bit of baby-damage on her boobs. We chatted and she was down for everything I wanted for 5,000 p LT. Off to my room and fun ensued. One BBFSCIP later we snuggled under the covers and slept until dawn.

I went back a day later, once again looking for the dancer from before, once again she was not working. But Angelyne was there. We grabbed a drink and few minutes later she introduced me to her sister who just started working at the club. Yes. Yes, please commence all of your sister-powered fantasies now. Go ahead. I'll wait. Got it? Well sorry, it did not happen. Her 20-year-old sister is cherry. And after meeting her and seeing how shy (read: nervous, uncomfortable, scared) she is, she won't be ready to consider taking a bar fine for a while.

I decided to head back to my room without Angeleyne for the night. But I did ping a previous PinaLove girl and had her meet me an hour later. BBFSCIP for 3,000 p and I was done for the day.

Tonight (Friday), I do another WS crawl and see if anyone strikes my fancy.

Report #7 - Angeles City.

Finding my dream girl. In a ship.

After being in Angeles almost 3 weeks, I've developed a sort of daily routine. Wake around 9 am, grab a latte by the Score Birds Hotel pool and catch up on email and any state-side business on my phone, then watch some news or a movie in my room. Around 1 pm or so, head out for lunch, or maybe do some shopping at SM Clark or SM Pampanga and do a late afternoon club crawl to preview the babes, either on WS, Perimeter, or other off-WS locations before getting dinner at one of several decent places around Angeles (T-Backs, Tequila Reef, Papi's, 69 Rock Bar, etc.). This night, I decided to re-visit clubs where I met a bar girl I liked but did not pull the trigger. So I bounced between Lollipop, Genesis, XS, and Avalon. Sadly none of the babes I was hoping to see again were around. Either on their day off, or perhaps already bar fined, or given how old and fat I am, they just avoided me. LOL.

Having no luck re-finding any of the targeted babes, I decided to step onboard the Viking Ship to see what kind of talent was dancing on deck. (Ok, enough with the boat metaphors. You are welcome.) The Mamasan remembered me from my last visit a few days earlier (BTW: That "never forget a monger's face" skill seems to be a Mamasan superpower, and it's mighty potent). She told me the girl I was interested in from my last visit, Diane, was working that night. That made MrHappyKat, well, as the name implies, a very happy cat! A few minutes later Diane was snugged under my arm while she enjoyed an SML and various small talk with me. She is (barely) 20,5'0", 93 lbs. With a sweet, pretty face, no baby damage (no kids), flat belly, perky A-cups, and a gentile personality that caught me off guard when she answered my question about kissing my probing my mouth with a deep, lingering kiss. We sealed the deal by comparing likes and dislikes and I ponied up the 4,500 p bar fine. (At Viking, the bar fine of 4,500 p can be either ST or LT, depending on the preferences of the girl.) Back to my room and a quick mutual shower. Fun ensured and I was presented with an option to express my appreciation in the location of my choice. I believe I choose well, and have a picture documenting my results (which I will not be sharing).

That was yesterday, and I'll be heading out soon for dinner. I expect to connect with a fellow ISG member later tonight for another club crawl.

I leave AC in 7 days. Let's see how much more fun I can have.

Report #8 - Angeles City.

Seeing double at Viking.

Been hanging with SirLancelot for a few days. We've been exploring on and off Walking Street and swapping stories of past adventures. Last night after kicking off the evening at Lollipop, we split up, each with a mission. My mission was to fnd a girl I had previously seen at Dollhouse. I took a seat and got a drink but did not find her. After chatting up two girls who recognized me from a previous visit, I was informed the girl was off that day. Were they lying to try to get me to BF them? Maybe. Or maybe they just didn't know and wanted to get my attention for themselves. Doesn't really matter. She wasn't there. After a concentrated attempt to get me to take both of these girls, I politely declined and asked a different girl with me. She was new, 3rd day. Very cute very sweet, and I liked her. BUT. When I asked if she wanted to see my hotel room, she told me she was on her time. She brought her friend over to meet me. I really wasn't interested, so I paid up and headed out.

Off to Geneis. No special talent this night. This club is a hit or miss location. I recommend you take a moment at the door to scope out the stage before taking a seat and ordering a drink. Dropped into CosPlay. And had the same (non) experience as Genesis. So I started heading back towards Kokomo's with the intention to get a drink and people watch from the rail. But on a lark I decided to pop into Viking instead.

I had good luck at Viking, previously pulling the sweet, 20-yr old Diane from there a few days earlier (see report #7). As before the Mamasan latched onto me when I entered and started sucking up for a drink. Now there's been some discussion about interacting with Mamasans and dealing with the pressure to buy multiple drinks for her and / or staff. I don't have any hard rules here, except to say it may be a good idea at larger clubs with LOTS of girls. Investing 350 p into a Mamasan drink can get you easily connected with the "type" you most want. Tonight, I told her I wanted to meet a nice girl like Diane, who I met before. She scooted off to look and brought back Liza. Liza is 22, on her 4th day, slim, and cute. We chatted for a while, and we seemed to get along. But when I asked her if she wanted to come home with me, she declined. OK. Happens. I let her head back to the stage. After a few minutes, Mamasan started a new search. I eventually spotted Joy. 20 years old, slim, maybe 5'2" tall and a very pretty face, boobs and bod. No baby damage evident, and she confirmed no kids. We chatted for a few minutes and I was close to pulling the trigger when she asked me if I wanted a threesome. I played it VERY cool and replied "HELLS YES I DO! Reasonably sure that I had retained all the negotiating power in this deal she pointed out her best friend for me, Jho.

Jho is almost a statistical carbon copy of Joy: same age, body type, kid status, etc. Jho has slightly darker complexion and is perhaps an inch or two thicker in the waist. But that's nit piking, really. I asked each one all of my qualifying questions: BJ-Yes, Kissing-Yes, BBCIP or CIM-yes and got a good feeling for the near future. So off we went. Bar fine 4,500 x 2 for ST, plus assorted drinks and the total bill was 10,900 p.

Back at my room, we took a few minutes to chat and get some drinks from the room fridge. I had locked my valuables in the room safe before, and I added my pocket cash and wallet when we entered the room, so felt comfortable starting a shower 1st. At Score Birds the showers are big enough for two, but not really big enough for 3, especially when one of the three is 6'1" tall me. They jumped in as I came out and I waited on the bed. They came out a few minutes later, each wearing a towel, wrapped like presents just for me.

Now threesomes can be problematic, if the girls are not experienced. Joy and Jho showed me that they have ample experience tag-teaming fat old white guys on a hotel bed. The only time I did not have something pink on my face and on my cock was when they were switching positions. I knew I would not last long, so I slowed things down for a while by going downtown on each of the girls. Jho seemed a bit reluctant at first. I understand that in PH culture, women are not always comfortable with it. But after a few minutes, Jho was showing all the signs of enjoying her experience. I think I gave her at least one, maybe two orgasms. But, perhaps due to the culture again, she was reluctant to express her enjoyment. Or to be fair, maybe I just did a lousy job. LOL.

I switched to Joy for some DATY fun and she was fully onboard. After making her (appear to be) happy, I asked them to resume the main acts and they mounted up for the end game. It didn't take long before I filled Joy with, pardon the expression, joy. During the after-sex cool down, we lay on the bed snuggling, which as an old guy I've come to appreciate almost as much as the actual sex. Almost.

Eventually, they started showing more interest in their phones than in me, so I knew it was time to wrap up the session. They did a quick rinse in the shower (using the last of my towels) and as they dressed, I slipped a 100 p tip in each of their purses.

I only have a few more days in AC. Taking it easy the rest of today. The big Score Birds Hotel Swimsuit Contest is 2 days away. I'll be sure to provide an overview of my experience at the show.

Report #9 - Angeles City.

Score Birds Swimsuit Competition and my missed date with the Runner Up.

My last full day in Angeles City was also the 3rd Sunday of the month. Time for the Score Birds Monthly Swimsuit Competition. I had invited SirLancelot to be my guest and had reserved a table on the ground level near the bar-side of the pool area. A good location to see the babes on stage and interact with them as they mingled with the crowd during competition rounds. The night before I had called a previous PinaLove girl, Aria back for a lunch-time "snack" at 2,500 p and so I wasn't planning on taking any more sessions in my room before I left Angeles for Manila the next day. But plans can change, unless I screw up. Which I did. More about that later.

This month's show featured 11 contestants, most from Dollhouse, Avalon and Atlantis, with one "independent" entry. The show works like this:

1. Entry fee 500 p, which gets you entry (if you are not already a hotel guest), a bundle of 6 bead bundles (long strings of beads in sort of necklace), and unlimited access to the (average) buffet. Drinks from the bar are regular price, pay as you go.

2. There is a "house" band playing (3 singers and a keyboard) covering 70's and 80's classics.

3. Competition consists of 3 rounds of girls presenting on the raided stage at the back of the pool.

4. Audience votes by tossing a ring of beads on stage (or in the pool) while their choice is featured.

5. After two rounds, the top 6 gilrs are dubbed semi-finalists and the remaining 6 are cut.

6. After the 3rd round, the girl with the most beads wins.

7. Between rounds, the girls circulate amongst the crowd and guests can buy them and drink and chat, much like you might if you saw them in the bars.

8. When chatting with a contestant, you can negotiate an after-contest date if you are both so inclined.

9. Confirmation of recent rules change: Photos and videos are no longer permitted at the event. The unofficial reason is that YouTube vloggers "ruined" and too many attendees complained after the February show. I did manage to get a pic with me and the 2nd place winner. And no, I will not be sharing it.

And so I found myself after the 2nd round chatting up a girl who would end up the 2nd place winner. We seemed to get along well and she accepted my offer to join Lancelot and me at 69 Rock Bar after the show. The bar (a regular bar, no bar fines here) was having a St. Patrick's Day thing and we planned to go for a while. I arranged for my date to text me on WhatsApp before our planned meeting at 7:00 pm at the bar. This proved problematic. SirLancelot and I met at the bar and awaited the arrival of my girl. But technology and weather had other ideas, unfortunately. I was unable to connect to the Bar Wifi, despite having the bar tender try to enter the correct password several times. Next, around 8:00 pm it started to rain, really hard. I had not heard from my girl by 8:30, so Sir Lance and I decided to bail once the rain subsided. As soon as I got back to the hotel my WiFi connection resumed and there was a text message from her, timestamped at 7:30 pm. Curious. I checked my iPhone settings and realized I had not enabled WhatsApp to use cellular service to connect. Yikes! So I missed her very timely text. I was able to connect with her around 9:30 pm, but by then I decided to pass on meeting as I needed to leave early for Manila.

Next (and my last) report will be posted in the Manila Board.

Angeles City: Supplemental feedback / observations:

1. Score Birds Hotel:

It's definitely 2nd tier after ABC, but there are many other hotels at this level. Ultimately, if you want to stay in the $50-$75 a night range, you can find many options. Selecting the "right" one for you requires that you have a clear idea of what your priorities are between things like location, room size and room features (AC, hot water, noise, etc.), in-house restaurant and / or bar, guest policy, and so on.

I'd say I was generally pleased with SB, but: The mid-tier room I selected was located on the front edge of the building on a fairly busy street (right behind WS). So I got serenaded by car and trike (they NEVER seem to have mufflers!) noises all night. Next, I had to change room after 3 days as the hot water was out, despite 3 attempts to repair it.

The location was good for me, about a 5 minute walk up the street and around the corner to Tequila Reef and on to Kokomos, and in the other direction, maybe a 5 minute walk in the other direction to drug store (where I bought extra soap, shampoo and a razor for my one-month stay) and then on to the McDonalds end of WS.

2. Toilets in GoGo bars:

What do you expect from bars that cater to hundreds of men sucking down beer for hours and hours? I would classify the toilets across all bars as between a Level 1 to level 5 Bio-hazard:

Level 1 "Must be decontaminated prior to entry. ".

Up to.

Level 5 "Must be incased in cement and sealed for at least 100 years to prevent radiation poisoning of the local population. ".

Mitigation Tip: Carry at least a half dozen Dude Wipes in your back pocket (look them up on Amazon). These can be used as pre-contact surface cleansers, matter-removal (in connection with the "bum guns" and in place of the almost always missing hand soap and towels.

You have been warned.

3. Bars with the best looking (IMO) girls:

Just my non-scientific impressions: Lollipop, Club XS, Avalon, Dollhouse, Avalon, Viking.

4. Bars with the most fun (IMO) girls:

Just my non-scientific impressions: Angel Witch (all fuglies, but they know how to party), Viking, Showtyme.

5. Typical Bar Fines:

Nothing new to report: anywhere between 3,900 p (some perimeter bars) to 6,000 p (Club XS). My personal take: If you are struggling with the delta (which is less than $40 USD from low to high), you might want to reconsider your mongering objectives.

6. Tipping:

Not required. But generally, I would leave any coins received as change or a 20,50 or 100 p note behind whenever I paid cash.

7. Grab versus trikes versus walking:

Again, this comes down to personal choices / needs. I have bad knees, and trikes are just too small for me to be practical. So Grab was a perfect option. It works like Uber and you can fund it with a US-based card (credit or debit beware of foreign trans fees). A typical local trip cost me 120 p (about $2 US) each way. Worth it.

8. Weather:

It's hot. I was there Feb -March and every day saw temps from mid-80's to mid-90's with moderate humidity, though rain was rare.

9. Western Style Restaurants:

I'd stay away from street food and tap water. Your gut and colon will thank you later. Western Style places are ok to good. If you like US places like Denny's, TGI Fridays, Applebee's, El Torrito, you will be ok with:

Tequila Reef, T-Backs Sports Bar, 69 Rock Bar, Papi's Bar & Chill, Envy and Agave. All have large menus and most have Pilipino dishes as well.

10. Souvenirs (need for your "cover story".

There are street shopping stalls everywhere. Most have crappy tourist goods, cheap clothes and trinkets. Great for inexpensive prezzies for the folks back home (assuming they don't see the "made in China" stickers). For "proper" shopping, SM City Clark (close) and SM Pampanga Malls (10-14 miles take a Grab) are good choices. These have local and big-brand international brands at relatively high prices. But they also have Starbucks, Pizza Hut and more familiar eateries.

I bought several T-Shirts from local vendors and found a few shot glasses from the famous Adrian (the Shout Out guy on Chubs YT Vlogs) who sells in front of Avalon during the day. Remember your luggage max weight limits with your airlines. Hint: Bring an $8 luggage scale with you search Amazon).

See report #1 in the Makati board.

See report #10 in the Manila board.

[WestCoast1]

It would not surprise me at all to find different barfines for different guys as well.

Perhaps mama has more experience in identifying the more desperate, the more cashed up, the more in love etc.

John's been buying a girl drinks all night and chatting away happily?? Suddenly your 3500 last night becomes 5000 for him.

Enjoy. G.

I would be completely shocked to discover that an opportunistic mama took advantage of some bloke. SHOCKED.

[Goferring]

I don't mind the different barfine amounts for different girls..

It would not surprise me at all to find different barfines for different guys as well.

Perhaps mama has more experience in identifying the more desperate, the more cashed up, the more in love etc.

John's been buying a girl drinks all night and chatting away happily?? Suddenly your 3500 last night becomes 5000 for him.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

Westie, the conspiracy theorist in me says that it's highly unlikely that a girl does not know her own barfine. Maybe the brand new girl but not someone who has been working any length of time. Sounds like mama just wants to keep a close tabs on her girls and who they are going with. No sneakouts allowed. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

I believe its exactly that, and more maybe. Few nights later I sat down and a taped girl was passing by. I invited her skinniness to sink a drink with me. I wanted to cut thru the previous mama's story and I told her what the mama had said to me about the multiple barfine prices, which the girl confirmed. "But not like that". Well then, how is it? "For each girl its different". I pointed to a model girl (long evening gown) and asked how much her barfine amount was. "You ask a mama". Any mama? "Yes". But you don't know the amount? "You ask a mama". How much is your barfine amount? "You ask a mama". Oh come on, certainly you know *your own* barfine amount, yes? "You ask a mama. I can call the mama". Jeez. Obfuscation and disingenuous. She did that from training (at the time, last year, might be different now).

I don't mind the different barfine amounts for different girls. But you will want to be able to learn her barfine price BEFORE you consider asking her to sit for a drink. Being coy with the information might be counter-productive to actually barfining. OTOH, it might be indicative of something entirely different: That bar might not need any barfines in order to succeed. High concentration of rich gents (K's or other), and girls pre-barfined (by the rich) before bar opening, or rich fellas who call the bar up and order up a half dozen or dozen of their prettiest (and send vans for them), might mean they literally don't need any of your / my cash this evening. Recall my previous report of K's throwing so many notes from the balcony during several dance shows, that they had to stop performance between sets to have several male staff literally use brooms / dustpans and cardboard boxes to scoop up all the money (probably split as tips between staff, management, and owner). Every peso spent on drinks for yourself or a girl is just gravy money for them.

No conspiracy there.

[Sir Lancelot]

For my last day in Angeles I decided to spend the afternoon at Scorebirds Pool Party, which happens the third Sunday of every month. It runs from 2 pm-6 pm and costs 500 to enter, which includes a free buffet.

Kittykat had secured a prime table at the side of the pool so I ordered a drink and enjoyed the show. There were 11 girls participating, mainly from Dollhouse, Atlantis and Lollipop, including a few really pretty ones. Each girl does a catwalk show and customers can throw beads to them. Then the MC will bring each girl to the front of the stage and ask whether anyone would like to buy them a ladydrink. I bought a drink for number 3, a skinny girl with blond highlights in her hair from Atlantis but conversation wasn't flowing. Kittykat bought a drink for number 6, an older girl with arguably the best body on show. The eventual winner of the contest, number 4, was sat nearby. She kept smiling over to me so I offered a drink but she shook her head as she already had one.

A dance act performed an energetic routine with lots of twerking, three older women provided the music and then the girls came back out for another parade, to collect more beads. It was a pleasant way to spend the afternoon although they dragged it out far too long. By the time the winner was announced most people had left.

Later in the afternoon I went to SM Mall to do a few chores. Firstly I got the timetable for the buses that depart from outside SM Mall and go directly to Nino Aquino Airport in Manila. They depart every hour and the cost is 380 pesos. I also bought a new contract lens holder as room service had accidentally thrown mine out with the rubbish.

I met Kittykat at 7 pm at 69 Rock Bar, located at the top of a seven storey building on Narciso Avenue. A band were playing rock covers and they were serving a very tasty looking Irish stew for St Patrick's Day. For the first time on this trip it began raining. It wasn't just rain, it lashed it down for an hour, which meant it was 8. 30 pm when I stepped on to Fields Avenue. I said farewell to Kittykat who is heading back to the States tomorrow. I'd enjoyed his company during my time in Angeles.

With a long travel day myself tomorrow back to Pattaya, my goal was to barfine a girl as soon as possible. Naturally it didn't go to plan.

I started in Viking where there were 40 girls crowded on the stage including some really nice ones. This is undoubtedly one of my favourite bars in Angeles. I scanned around for Margi, who I bought a drink for several days ago, but she was with another customer. She was looking as radiant as ever. The customer bought her three drinks in the time it took me to drain one beer so his intentions were clear.

Viking has lots of other nice girls and I considered refocusing my attention, but I decided to leave as it would give me the option of returning later on the slim chance Margi was still there, and if not I could pick another girl.

Baccara is an intimate venue and there were 18 girls on stage, generally a bit older. It was noticeable how the bar lacked atmosphere. The girls were rooted to the spot, there was no dancing and some of them looked bored with their arms folded. I remember when this bar was called Cambodia and it had a reputation of being one of the party bars. Not any more.

This part of the street used to have several bars with the same Egyptian theme. I think one of the popular bars was called Blue Nile, which had a stage that rose up and down. I barfined a dancer from here that gave me some of the best sex I've ever had. There was another bar in which you had to take a lift up to the 3rd or 4th floor which had a double decker stage and let's not forget Club Asia which was usually stocked with cuties. Although I think Angeles has bounced back impressively after the pandemic, I think the bottom end of the street, towards McDonald's, is still sleepy.

I went to Avalon to see if the black tape girl I barfined was there but the mamasan said she 'wasn't working today', which probably meant she was currently being nailed by a guy twice her size. The dance act is superb in this bar, easier better than XS. Their routines are always really fun, creative and perfectly choreographed and there are some lovely girls too. One of them had dark skin and braces on her teeth, another had fair hair and Western facial features. I asked the mamasan if these dancers can be barfined and she told me yes. I considered asking one of my two favourites over for a drink but the problem is they look like they enjoy dancing too much to barfine!

I trawled up and down the street looking for my next bar. Suddenly it occurred to me that procuring the services of a freelancer would be perfect tonight, as it would mean I could fuck her and send her on her way to give me chance to pack. But there are definitely slimmer pickings when it comes to streetwalkers these days.

Club 123 had 15 girls standing on the long thin stage and there were definitely a few cuties. The distinctive one I liked on my previous visit was there but when I looked at her she did that thing the girls sometimes do and pointed to her friend. To me that shows lack of interest. Another pretty girl was smiling at me whenever I looked in her direction, so I invited her to sit with me for a drink. She was a nice girl to talk to.

Then a familiar figure walked in. It was the customer who had been plying Margi with ladydrinks at Viking! She wasn't with him but I couldn't imagine he'd have bought her so many drinks without wanting to barfine her. I assumed she must have had a reason she couldn't go with him, perhaps it was her time of month.

It gave me a dilemma. I could try to barfine the girl I was sat next to, or I could return to Viking and try to see Margi. But I decided a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush and barfined the Club 123 girl. It cost 4500 and after she got changed we walked the short distance back to my hotel.

The sex however was a disappointment. I like to finger the girl to get her ready but this girl refused. She literally grabbed my hand and pulled it away. I tried to give her oral but she didn't like it. We eventually tried to have sex but she was extraordinarily tight and with no natural lubrication, it was difficult. I got about halfway in but when I tried to push in all the way she'd do defensive manoeuvres like closing her legs. It was clear she was very inexperienced and was finding the whole ordeal painful. So after a couple of minutes I rolled off, took my condom off and let her blow me instead.

A disappointing fuck to end my time in Angeles but it's been another great week and I've met some really pretty girls.

This diary concludes on the Pattaya thread.

[Goferring]

...Nowadays it's one-price-fits-all, meaning you have to pay say 5000 for every girl, ranging from the black tape supermodels to the older, average girls. As a result it's hard to believe the vast majority of these girls ever get barfined....

...The system was so confusing (and I wasn't drunk) that even the mama told me not to bother asking a girl (or waitress) how much her barfine amount was. "Just you ask for a mama...

Lance,

This can be beneficial to the guys as well. Girls who have not met quota are typically fined with docked pay, loss of dance fees, bonuses etc etc. Yet their board, keep, makeup etc etc etc fees are still charged regardless. In Sabang, it wasn't unusual in low season to find affected girls, desperate for a barfine, offering extra services, longer stays, even commission free to make quota.

Unkind mongers would point out that these were often the girls too ugly to secure customers anyway. However, it was often also the cuties who were simply too reserved or shy to be busy.

AC local guys can confirm if this is something to watch for on Walking Street. I'm sure the girls have quotas but I don't know of the ramifications.

Westie, the conspiracy theorist in me says that it's highly unlikely that a girl does not know her own barfine. Maybe the brand new girl but not someone who has been working any length of time. Sounds like mama just wants to keep a close tabs on her girls and who they are going with. No sneakouts allowed. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[Sir Lancelot]

Some of the bars do have multi-tiered barfines. Lollipop had black bikinis at 5000, and other colors are 4000; has that changed? The mama in XS told me they had 3 k, 4 k, 5 k, and 6 k girls for the different groups (black tape, models, and so on). The system was so confusing (and I wasn't drunk) that even the mama told me not to bother asking a girl (or waitress) how much her barfine amount was. "Just you ask for a mama. We will look it in our books and inform you". I think Casino bar had either 3500/4500, or else 4000/5000 girls (lower price was ST, higher price was LT).

I went to both those bars but didn't barfine from either, so I'm sure you're right. I remember all bars used to have the same system with a white or green badge depending on 1700 or 3000. Made life so much easier for the customer.

[WestCoast1]

I have a question which has been bugging me. Why don't bars in Angeles have the two-tier barfines any more? I remember when I first visited the pretty girls would be 3000 pesos in all bars and the less pretty girls were 1700. Of course Filipino's standard of beauty is very different to ours so it often meant lovely girls could be found for 1700. Nowadays it's one-price-fits-all, meaning you have to pay say 5000 for every girl, ranging from the black tape supermodels to the older, average girls. As a result it's hard to believe the vast majority of these girls ever get barfined. Surely reintroducing the two-tier system will be good for customers and also the girls too?

Some of the bars do have multi-tiered barfines. Lollipop had black bikinis at 5000, and other colors are 4000; has that changed? The mama in XS told me they had 3 k, 4 k, 5 k, and 6 k girls for the different groups (black tape, models, and so on). The system was so confusing (and I wasn't drunk) that even the mama told me not to bother asking a girl (or waitress) how much her barfine amount was. "Just you ask for a mama. We will look it in our books and inform you". I think Casino bar had either 3500/4500, or else 4000/5000 girls (lower price was ST, higher price was LT).

[Sir Lancelot]

I had a lazy afternoon and met Kittykat in Margarita Station at 6. 30 pm. It's located a 15 minute walk away from its old location, which still stands derelict and boarded up. The new venue is a very big, spacious bar and restaurant with an extensive menu.

There was a large chap on the next table eating dinner with friends. Last time I'd seen him he had his trousers around his ankles at the the blowjob bar a few days ago.

Kittykat and I took a Grab cab back towards Walking Street after we had eaten but it was Saturday night and the traffic was chaos. Eventually we arrived at Insomnia, which had eight young girls dancing. My favourite was a tall skinny girl with braces on her teeth. After a while the stage cleared and the Insomnia Babes did a dance routine, entering the stage via a fireman's pole. About ten years ago I barfined a girl from this bar and she let me slide down the pole before we went back to our hotel.

I've noticed there is a biker gang presence at a lot of these Perimeter Bars. They must get sweaty under those leathers.

Underneath the Walking Street sign I saw a pretty freelancer I fucked last year. She recognised me and was all smiles. She must have forgotten that she turned up at my hotel unannounced the next day wanting a repeat and when I said no she told me to fuck off, so I blocked her.

QBar had eight girls dancing when we arrived, including a few well endowed ones who were topless except for black tape covering their nipples. Gradually the number of girls increased to about 20. I thought the standard was average although I did see a few who tempted me to invite them down for a lady-drink, including a very dark-skinned girl who probably had a black American marine father she's never met. The music was country and western which gave the girls little to dance to. The bar lacked atmosphere.

I have a question which has been bugging me. Why don't bars in Angeles have the two-tier barfines any more? I remember when I first visited the pretty girls would be 3000 pesos in all bars and the less pretty girls were 1700. Of course Filipino's standard of beauty is very different to ours so it often meant lovely girls could be found for 1700. Nowadays it's one-price-fits-all, meaning you have to pay say 5000 for every girl, ranging from the black tape supermodels to the older, average girls. As a result it's hard to believe the vast majority of these girls ever get barfined. Surely reintroducing the two-tier system will be good for customers and also the girls too?

The gorgeous girl I barfined from Genesis has been asking me via Messenger when I will return, so I decided to pop in and buy her a drink. The stage was crowded with 30 girls and I saw her stood in the middle, looking sublime. I waved to her but she didn't notice, so the girl next to her nudged her and pointed to me. Her face lit up and she raced off stage to sit next to me. This girl is dynamite. She's a beautiful girl, speaks great English and it turns out is very picky.

She pointed to a blond white man with tattoos and explained that he's the owner of three big hotels and tried to barfine her tonight but she refused because he was too drunk. It was the fourth time he's tried to barfine her and each time she has refused for the same reason. She told me about an elderly Korean man who had tried to barfine her but she said no because he treated her with little respect. As if to emphasis her point, he spread 10,000 pesos on the table in an attempt to impress her but she refused a second time. He then threatened to call the mamasan over, assuming an older member of staff could iron things out. 'Go ahead' my girl said, 'I don't like you so I will never go with you'. This girl has attitude! She knows her worth and won't take bullshit from customers. She's a sweetheart too. She pointed out a cheerful elderly Japanese man who was handing out 20 baht notes to lots of girls. When he gave her some notes she passed them to one of the older waitresses to have instead. She told me she makes a lot of money from customers, so shares tips with less popular girls.

Although she seems very selective, she loves me. Three middle-aged Koreans sat down just in front of us and kept rubber-necking, staring straight at her. Without returning their glances she whispered to me 'some Korean men so arrogant, they think I will leave you and sit with them' before holding my hand. I love this girl more and more!

Oddly, when my girl skipped off to pick up her weekly salary, all three of the Koreans now stared at me. At first I thought they might be checking out how much beer I had left in my bottle, but they kept staring. It wasn't a friendly stare, it was a 'how dare you stand in my way' stare. When my girl returned I gave her the biggest exaggerated hug I could just to piss them off, then I barfined her right in front of their faces. Normally I like to barfine different girls but this girl is special.

She got changed and reappeared wearing an white oversized Nike top that barely covered the schoolgirl skirt she was wearing. I enjoyed leading her out of the bar hand-in-hand and she told me that the three Korean men had indeed sneakily requested (via a waitress) she go sit with them despite the fact she had a ladydrink with me. It is an example of the arrogant, underhand way some of these guys conduct their business but thankfully my girl ignored their approach. Unlucky chaps.

We went for a quick game of pool before returning to my hotel, where she told me she has worked as a model. I got a great video of her doing her catwalk strut with one of my books balanced on her head.

The sex was even better second time around, with lots of positions and lots of kissing. She looked phenomenal when she was riding me and not for the first time I had to pinch myself at how lucky I am to be in Angeles, a candy store of pretty girls.

[Expat American]

Not really. We have been saying it since the re-opening back in late 2022. Lots of things changed with covid. Gogo bar prices are 4-5 k, more LD-only ladies (who are not necessarily honest about that until you've purchased her several drinks and you mention barfining her), ST is the new LT in some bars, and some girls are condom-only (some girls are not honest about this until you have her in your residence, naked). This is no longer a change, given its been in place for more than a year now.

Adapt, stay home or find a new playground. I choose option 3. I have been back a couple of times post covid but never had any girl ask for a condom. Prices were higher but Perimeter was still about 3500 for a day time LT (2 pm to 10 pm or so). Still had a decent time but since then found much better places to take my time and money. Sad, cause I loved that little shit hole for a lot of years and had some of my best mongering there between 2007 and 2012. Somethings are better left in my memories. And my hard drive.

[WestCoast1]

Wow, AC girls requesting condoms now? Unspoken expected BBFS was probably the last reason to even consider going there. Also 5000 P short time in a Perimeter bar? No long time bar fines available? I'm glad Sir Lancelot is having a good time but I read this stuff and just shake my head. Pattaya condoms are hit or miss but I've been about 75% successful with BBFS there. But its by no means a sure bet like AC always was. It seems to be going from bad to worse.

Not really. We have been saying it since the re-opening back in late 2022. Lots of things changed with covid. Gogo bar prices are 4-5 k, more LD-only ladies (who are not necessarily honest about that until you've purchased her several drinks and you mention barfining her), ST is the new LT in some bars, and some girls are condom-only (some girls are not honest about this until you have her in your residence, naked). This is no longer a change, given its been in place for more than a year now.

[Sir Lancelot]

I got chatting with an interesting guy at breakfast, who bought a motorbike in Davao after his relationship broke down with a Filipina and has since rode through Philippines, exploring the country. He's now in Angeles for a month.

I fancied an afternoon meet but Tinder was unusually sleepy. Then I had an idea. The Tinder profile who did the bait and switch on me was using a cute slim girl with her hair in bunches as their profile pic. I messaged them and said I was interested in meeting the girl from the pic but if any other knocked on my door I would send them away.

'Yes she is avaliable' said the mamasan, before quoting 4000 pesos ('she is 22, young and pretty' I pointed out that's what I paid for two girls and she accepted 2000.

At just before 4 pm there was a knock on my door and I opened with trepidation. Thankfully it was the girl in the picture, perhaps a couple of years older, but still with the same cuteness and sparkle in her eye.

I had a very pleasurable hour in her company. She insisted we shower together, then deepthroated me skilfully on the bed. She got about two-thirds in before gagging, before crawling across me to change the angle and took my whole dick in her mouth. I could feel the back of her throat. The sex was pretty frantic stuff. I fucked her stood up at the end of the bed, slapping in to her arse as hard I could.

My hotel, The Penthouse, has a very nice rooftop pool and restaurant area. I ordered some pork adobo and swam for 25 minutes before it got served. Apart from Walking between bars, lifting bottles of beer to my mouth and fucking girls, it's the only exercise I've had on this trip.

I met Kittykat at Kokomoz at 7 pm. I'm burning through money and needed to withdraw some more at an ATM. I like to think I'm a fairly observant person but in umpteen trips to Angeles I didn't notice Kokomoz has an ATM! I withdrew 10,000 which will last me another day.

We started our bar-crawl on Real Street, which used to be buzzing, largely thanks to bars like Crystal Palace and Tropix, but was virtually lifeless a year ago as Angeles looked to bounce back after covid. Thankfully the street is showing signs of life again.

Meiko's has a square stage in the middle of the bar, on which 12 nice girls were dancing in black fishnets. There were plenty of customers, the music was good and the girls were smiling and having a good time, signs of a well managed bar. I saw a few girls I was tempted to invite down for a drink but the night was young.

In contrast Body Shop was sleepy, with ten average girls, the majority of whom stood with their arms folded. A silver-haired fox to my left was inviting curvier girls down from the stage and giving them 100 pesos each to suck their tits.

It was 8. 30 pm when we stepped inside Las Vegas, which proved to be one of my favourite bars so far. There is a big square stage in the middle of the bar, on which 25 girls were dancing. Every 10 minutes they all parade around the bar a few times, ensuring customers get a great view of all of the girls. There were some honeys for sure. I spotted two I wanted to buy a drink for, a distinctive looking girl with shorter hair and a very pretty blond, but both got summoned to the side of stern-faced Koreans before I had chance to act.

Virtually all customers here are Korean which means the tedious spectacle of 20 baht rain showers. A chubby guy who looked like Kim Jong Un did four of them before I got halfway down my bottle of beer! Of course that has an impact on all of the other customers too because if for example I was to call a girl down to sit with me, she'd probably resent me for depriving her of the chance to stuff a fistful of 20's in her bra!

The DJ in here does a great job of whipping up the atmosphere but his mic is far too loud, making conversation very difficult, even to someone sat next to you. Kittykat bought a drink for a dark-skinned spinner as I watched an impressive street dance act on stage in Chicago Bulls tops.

I have a theory about loud music. I think in popular Korean bars, they crank up the volume high to disguise the language barrier. The girls just have to sit there and look pretty instead of engaging in conversation.

We walked back on to Fields Avenue and stepped in to Avalon at 9. 20 pm. There was a black tape show on and I acted quickly when I saw a very pretty girl with a slender figure and curly hair. She was only 19 and although she spoke limited English was great fun with a manic laugh. She was very affectionate too, holding my hand, cuddling up to me and even lap-dancing for me. I couldn't resist. The barfine was 5000.

The bar had plenty of other nice girls and was packed with barely a free seat in sight. They had a really impressive show with successive groups of dancers performing dance routines in sexy outfits. XS has the reputation for the best shows in town but I think Avalon's is far superior. The dance girls are prettier and the dances far sexier.

I love it when you barfine a girl and they go off to get changed. Yesterday the girl from Atlantis got changed in to a elegant summer dress, tonight in contrast my Avalon girl came back wearing a Nike crop-top, tracksuit bottoms and trainers, like she was about to go to the gym. She looked sexy although I was disappointed she'd taken her black tape off!

It was still early so I asked her if she'd like to pick another bar. She chose Monsoon, a very intimate bar in which customers sit on a single row of seats surrounding a narrow stage, meaning you're very close to the girls. There were 20 on stage, all young.

'Can you buy drink for her?' my black tape girl asked, pointing at a tall, slender girl on stage.

I assumed the two of them must have been friends but no, my girl just fancied a chat with a sexy girl! I was sandwiched between the two of them, having a great time, so didn't mind at all. It was fun hearing their animated discussions in Tagalog about their respective bars, mamasans and commissions. The tall girl from Monsoon told me she worked briefly as a black tape girl at Avalon but hardly ever got barfined, so returned to Monsoon where she has regular customers.

My Avalon girl and I walked the short distance back to my hotel and it was clear she had never seen a nice hotel room before. She said wow when she walked in, took a selfie of herself on front of the free-standing bath and then, amusingly, ran to the bed and somersaulted on to it. She was as mad as a box of frogs and I liked her all the more for it.

He excitement soon turned to nervousness, which she eventually explained to me was because I was her first ever customer. I didn't rush her and watched as she played games on her phone and scrolled through videos on social media. I drifted off to sleep and she woke me at 5 am. She was undoubtedly the most timid and shy girl I've ever fucked. She didn't know what to do and found certain (well, most) positions painful. When I was on top I took her arms and in one movement lay back to pull her up on top. She wiggled her hips for five seconds before deciding it was too painful! We tried other positions and she soon got in to her work. I couldn't resist getting her to sit on my face to finish. At first she was unsure but by the end was grinding her pussy on to me as she gripped the headboard.

She was back to her excited bubbly self afterwards. 'I'm sorry if I disappoint you' she said 'my first barfine I nervous'. I hugged her and told her don't be silly, she'd been perfect. How can you be disappointed fucking a 19 year old sweetheart like her bareback?

There's a never-ending debate on this page about the availability of pretty girls in Angeles, usually provoked by Napa's campaign to discourage people from visiting, but it's utter nonsense. I've been here for four days and have barfined some spectacular girls so far.

[Expat American]

I was in Pattaya for the first nine days, used a condom with every girl there. Same for Manila. Angeles is the only place I do bareback but the first girl requested I use a condom and I've noticed Tinder meets usually request protection too.

Wow, AC girls requesting condoms now? Unspoken expected BBFS was probably the last reason to even consider going there. Also 5000 P short time in a Perimeter bar? No long time bar fines available? I'm glad Sir Lancelot is having a good time but I read this stuff and just shake my head. Pattaya condoms are hit or miss but I've been about 75% successful with BBFS there. But its by no means a sure bet like AC always was. It seems to be going from bad to worse.

[TwentyTwoTwos]

I was in Pattaya for the first nine days, used a condom with every girl there. Same for Manila. Angeles is the only place I do bareback but the first girl requested I use a condom and I've noticed Tinder meets usually request protection too.

This is pretty refreshing to me. I got the impression that everyone here had BBFS all the time, living on the edge LOL.

[PhilJoy]

There is a Rabbit Bus Terminal in Avenida on Rizal just north of Recto which is close to Malate. I take the 11 am AC bus which doesn't stop at Dau coming into AC, instead going downtown on MacArthur. The driver will drop passengers at McDo on Fields if you ask the conductor to do so.

Thanks Doc,

This is really handy to know. All the 'official' websites for bus and transport companies in The Philippines have always been frustrating or out of date. If you ask them, a local, or even your girl what time a bus leaves, you'll get three different answers. Over time I've just learnt to find out exactly where to get on your bus and the rest will take care of itself.