Angeles City

[Locamotive]

From what I have seen myself and from impartial comments, Angeles is degrading very fast will soon be a spent force.

This should not be a surprise to anyone. Same story in places like Pattaya. The reasons are obvious:

1) As economies advance quickly, alternative more socially acceptable and safer employment becomes readily available.

2) COVID taught the more attractive professional ladies that they can earn big money online from their own homes.

3) Those who still bar work are attractive will gravitate to the big tourist trap bars where there is far bigger easy money all round. This leaves the smaller bars struggling to survive.

I wouldn't give up on Angeles just yet. The US military is coming back in a big way and I'm sure this will help. Has Western traffic dropped off some especially from US, yes it it has. The ticket prices pushing $3000 roundtrip has put a damper on some visiting, myself included. This will in time calm down as most won't pay that just to get there. Even now if you look out August or September you can see prices half that. The real beauties may use the internet a bit more but face to face is always better, for them and you. Makati in Manila seems to be opening new bars, old Ringside as example this week. Someone sees business getting better at least by their investments. Give it time, Angeles will be fine too and return to normal eventually.

[Dg8787]

Thanks for the encouragement. I was in kind of a bad mood when I wrote that due to lack of sleep. To clarify I think The Philippines is awesome and I've traveled all around the country and enjoyed myself. I just tend to get lazy and complain when I spend time in Angeles. But it's the easiest place to get girls in the Philippines, so I will be back, maybe for two months next year. A longer stay would be different because I can't sustain this level of spending.

Quick update on the Bunny girl that was stuck in my head. I figured she wouldn't go with me but I'm glad I tried. I used to be shy but I've learned you have to be decisive in bars like that and ask for what you want. Either she just doesn't go with foreigners, or she was creeped out by me ogling her when I was with my previous girl. Can't say I blame her. Other girls would have been willing to go with me but she's the only one I wanted.

I gave mama a small tip for helping me and for some reason she gave me her Facebook. Maybe if I wasn't flying out of the country today I could message her to try to work something out.

One of the reasons that a bg may not barfine with you that night is that she has a scheduled day off the next day with plans. Most bars have a rule if the bg does a barfine then she has to come to work the next day whether or not it is a scheduled day off. There is a heavy penalty if she doesn't come to work the next day. It might be lost of salary and or commissions. This rule with the penalties are to prevent the bg from doing "sneak outs" on her day off. Some bg may have a lackluster day at the bar because they were BF the night before and they just want to get through the mandatory work day.

I have had girls tell me that before and experienced it a few times when I wanted to BF a girl.

[NapaSlapper]

From what I have seen myself and from impartial comments, Angeles is degrading very fast will soon be a spent force.

This should not be a surprise to anyone. Same story in places like Pattaya. The reasons are obvious:

1) As economies advance quickly, alternative more socially acceptable and safer employment becomes readily available.

2) COVID taught the more attractive professional ladies that they can earn big money online from their own homes.

3) Those who still bar work are attractive will gravitate to the big tourist trap bars where there is far bigger easy money all round. This leaves the smaller bars struggling to survive.

Yes indeed, as economies advance and more jobs become available, more young girls want to study further education in order to secure a good job then the need to swing ones ass in a gogo bar becomes less appealing.

Yes indeed covid taught many would be bargirls that an attractive young girl can just put her profile online stating wanting to meet new friends and she will have every lonely heart the world over drooling and sending money to her mostly without ever meeting her, know of many girls that earn great money doing just this.

Yes indeed, any girl who is even reasonably ok looking and want to work in Angeles bars will naturally gravitate to the bigger bars that pay well and have structures in place to earn high commissions from lady drinks, large sitting tips, and making it rain money etc, why sit in a western bar with very few customers if any at all, lower salaries, lower drinks commissions and no chance of tips or making it rain money, and lower barfine commissions, girls are in the business of making as much easy money as possible and do exactly what suits them and not the punters pockets.

As far as Pattaya, yes not as good as years gone past, but the sheer size of it, the high number of bars, the thousands of available bargirls, freelancers compared to Angeles city has it far far in front in girl choice and fun factor IMHO.

[A Traveler]

Thanks for the encouragement. I was in kind of a bad mood when I wrote that due to lack of sleep. To clarify I think The Philippines is awesome and I've traveled all around the country and enjoyed myself. I just tend to get lazy and complain when I spend time in Angeles. But it's the easiest place to get girls in the Philippines, so I will be back, maybe for two months next year. A longer stay would be different because I can't sustain this level of spending.

Quick update on the Bunny girl that was stuck in my head. I figured she wouldn't go with me but I'm glad I tried. I used to be shy but I've learned you have to be decisive in bars like that and ask for what you want. Either she just doesn't go with foreigners, or she was creeped out by me ogling her when I was with my previous girl. Can't say I blame her. Other girls would have been willing to go with me but she's the only one I wanted.

I gave mama a small tip for helping me and for some reason she gave me her Facebook. Maybe if I wasn't flying out of the country today I could message her to try to work something out.

[Eddy6868]

I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.

The City.

The Philippines is poor, and the is reflected in this place. The town is run-down, it's inferno-hot outside, and there's nothing to do during the day besides bars, which I'm not into during daytime. Being constantly pestered by the viagra / cialis / vallium / morphine guys annoys me to no end and puts me in a bad mood. Old homeless ladies in sexy dresses try to sell me massages. Trike drivers shout when I walk by. I get into the mode here of looking straight ahead and avoiding eye contact. I'm not interested in constantly engaging with these people.

The Accommodations.

There's not much in the way of nice, modern hotels here. The One Euphoria Airbnb seemed like a good idea. It's nice and modern. However, it's a tiny studio so it feels like a hotel room. Worst of all cleaning is not included and is expensive. It's nice not being forced to leave the room for cleaning, but it's better to have the room cleaned every couple days by a Hotel. The super-fast internet, big screen and Netflix is great. In the future it would be nice to have a little sofa or reading chair instead of just a little desk since I'm sitting around the room all day reading because there's no where better to go.

Thanks am a mid 30's guy who is a vet in the USA with escorts and hookers. I just did my first trip to Thailand.

A few months ago. And needed a review like this for my trip to the Philippines.

[Gonz0]

I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day....

Thanks for this information.

No comparing to the past and complaining about the difference. Just a good overall description of the current situation from your perspective.

[NapaSlapper]

Been reading that barfines in Angeles are 4,000 peso, well yes if one only sticks to the western bars that have the lower quality older ladies then yes most girls are 4,000 pesos, want anything that is younger, thinner and ok looking then the only place to find these type of girls is in the Asian orientated bars where the girls all demand 5,000 pesos + .

I keep reading Angeles is what you make of it well lets examine that statement a bit closer.

1, Walk into any of the Angeles bars that employ better looking girls, see a girl you like, try to get her attention, only she will not look at you because you are not her customer type (Asian).

2, call a girl down for a drink, you buy a few drinks only to be told when it is time to barfine that she has suddenly got her mens and can't barfine, that she is Korean only, that she is a drinks only girl, that she is a cherrie girl, that she will only barfine short time (1 hour) when the punter wants long time, that she won't give a blow job, when the punter wants one, that she will only fuck with a condom when the punter can't get a hard on with a condom etc, what exactly can a punter do about this to make its what YOU make of it, in reality a punter can't make anything of it, it is out of his hands and will feel disappointed that he wasted money and time on nothing he had control of.

Of course if its what you make of it means just accepting that westerners are not top dog anymore and have to accept the girls the Asians don't want in order to get laid then all power to those guys.

Latest barhops see Angeles very very quiet, many western bars are struggling to put bums on seats and because revenue is not coming in they will not pay the higher salaries and commissions the better looking, younger girls demand, its catch 22,don't have the punters then there is no available funds to improve the punter experience.

Asian bars are busy most of the week but are very busy at weekends, Asians still throwing money around like its going out of fashion and obviously are getting the girl attention.

With every passing barhop it seems more Asians are in town, more Asians are scooping up every available pretty girl around, the Asian vans that deliver bargirls direct are getting more in number.

As I said previously, not long now and Angeles will be 100% bought up and run by the Asians, its already happened in a big way IMHO.

[Dg8787]

I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.

The City.

The Philippines is poor, and the is reflected in this place. The town is run-down, it's inferno-hot outside, and there's nothing to do during the day besides bars, which I'm not into during daytime. Being constantly pestered by the viagra / cialis / vallium / morphine guys annoys me to no end and puts me in a bad mood. Old homeless ladies in sexy dresses try to sell me massages. Trike drivers shout when I walk by. I get into the mode here of looking straight ahead and avoiding eye contact. I'm not interested in constantly engaging with these people.

The Accommodations.

There's not much in the way of nice, modern hotels here. The One Euphoria Airbnb seemed like a good idea. It's nice and modern. However, it's a tiny studio so it feels like a hotel room. Worst of all cleaning is not included and is expensive. It's nice not being forced to leave the room for cleaning, but it's better to have the room cleaned every couple days by a Hotel. The super-fast internet, big screen and Netflix is great. In the future it would be nice to have a little sofa or reading chair instead of just a little desk since I'm sitting around the room all day reading because there's no where better to go.

The Food.

Some people like the food here so more power to them. For me it's terrible. The few restaurants on Fields serve burgers, pizza, pasta, chicken cordon blue (who eats this in real life?

Wienerschnitzel, sausages. It's hard to find vegetables and healthy food. I've had most meal at Envy since the ambiance outside is decent and the food is OK.

Noise-cancelling headphones are a must for me since these places are always playing loud music, even at 8 am.

The Girls.

This is the reason we come and this cancels out all the negatives above. Fields is a very compact, walkable street with girly bars. It's easy-peasy point and click, buy a girl you like a drink, pay her barfine and take her home. Some bars are good and some are bad, bad meaning not having attractive girls. This changes day-by-day and even hour-by hour with shift changes and girls being barfined. To have the best experience you will have to spend time visiting the bars and scoping out girls. No need to get drunk if you don't want to. You can order water or Coke to keep a clearer head and pick more carefully. I did have some bad nights where all the bars I visited didn't have any good talent, or the good ones had already been barfined. But I had more good nights than bad.

It's usually worth sitting down and ordering a drink as long as there are a few girls on stage, even if you are not interested in them. There's usually a second round of dancers after about 20 minutes, and sometimes a hot girl will materialize out of the ether.

It will take some time to figure out the good and bad bars. While I was there fun bars with pretty ladies where Gekos, Shooters, Old Bar and Brown Sugar. Lot's of hot young girls and if you find one or two you like they will keep you entertained. They will work it so you will want to barfine them. I wasn't impressed with Lollipop.

Bars that cater to our Asian friends have pretty ladies but are not as "fun". The prettiest ones may get taken out early in the evening. Bunny, Skyfall, Genesis, Baccara had pretties. These bars are kind of low-energy and the girls aren't as flirty, but if you see a girl you like you can tell a waitress who you like and she will call her down. I took a Bunny girl and was a satisfied customer for two nights in a row. Of course after I picked my girl a super-hot girl appeared. Now that it's my last night I'm contemplating going back and trying to pull off the fabled switcharoo.

I didn't spend much time in the big showbars like Dollhouse and XS. I'm guessing buying drinks for girls in these bars would be a waste of money since they are "models".

I didn't try any of the online options, so I can't speak to that.

And sadly I didn't encounter any roaming massage girls on the street (other than the aforementioned old homeless ladies).

The Cost.

Unfortunately this is no longer a budget destination. Barfines are 4,000 PHP. The good news is that guarantees long-time and there is no concept of short-time, meaning there is no discount for less time. Lady drinks are 350 PHP, so you have to be careful to only buy one drink for a girl you are interested in. Use that time to figure out if you want to boom boom her and ask her if she wants to go out.

I've spent $2,000 USD just in cash over 14 days, but I spent freely since I am on paid vacation.

Glad you had a good time. It is all what you make of it.

[Gorrion]

I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.

Thanks for your report. Very useful. I hope I have the same fun as you.

[JordCo]

I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.

The City.

The Philippines is poor, and the is reflected in this place. The town is run-down, it's inferno-hot outside, and there's nothing to do during the day besides bars, which I'm not into during daytime. Being constantly pestered by the viagra / cialis / vallium / morphine guys annoys me to no end and puts me in a bad mood. Old homeless ladies in sexy dresses try to sell me massages. Trike drivers shout when I walk by. I get into the mode here of looking straight ahead and avoiding eye contact. I'm not interested in constantly engaging with these people..

Glad you enjoyed your trip. It is what you make of it.

You're right about the inner parts of the city based around fields there is nothing else to do however there is more in the surrounding areas to burn some time in the day instead of hanging around the hotel. You could take a non pro around if you know any.

- Go karting at Clark speed way. I think there's another somewhere nearby too.

- Aqua planet waterpark.

- Puning hot springs.

- There's a few golf courses, driving ranges and a few places with golf simulators. I met a girl on Tinder who was working as a 'caddy' in a place that was doing video golf / simulator.

- Paradise ranch.

- Various mt pinatubo tours.

- Car rentals.

- goshen resort. Ride atvs.

- Casinos if that's your thing.

- Various parks to walk around.

Many more. Quality and service in some places won't meet Western standards but there's stuff to do instead of staying in the hotel all day.

[A Traveler]

I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.

The City.

The Philippines is poor, and the is reflected in this place. The town is run-down, it's inferno-hot outside, and there's nothing to do during the day besides bars, which I'm not into during daytime. Being constantly pestered by the viagra / cialis / vallium / morphine guys annoys me to no end and puts me in a bad mood. Old homeless ladies in sexy dresses try to sell me massages. Trike drivers shout when I walk by. I get into the mode here of looking straight ahead and avoiding eye contact. I'm not interested in constantly engaging with these people.

The Accommodations.

There's not much in the way of nice, modern hotels here. The One Euphoria Airbnb seemed like a good idea. It's nice and modern. However, it's a tiny studio so it feels like a hotel room. Worst of all cleaning is not included and is expensive. It's nice not being forced to leave the room for cleaning, but it's better to have the room cleaned every couple days by a Hotel. The super-fast internet, big screen and Netflix is great. In the future it would be nice to have a little sofa or reading chair instead of just a little desk since I'm sitting around the room all day reading because there's no where better to go.

The Food.

Some people like the food here so more power to them. For me it's terrible. The few restaurants on Fields serve burgers, pizza, pasta, chicken cordon blue (who eats this in real life?

Wienerschnitzel, sausages. It's hard to find vegetables and healthy food. I've had most meal at Envy since the ambiance outside is decent and the food is OK.

Noise-cancelling headphones are a must for me since these places are always playing loud music, even at 8 am.

The Girls.

This is the reason we come and this cancels out all the negatives above. Fields is a very compact, walkable street with girly bars. It's easy-peasy point and click, buy a girl you like a drink, pay her barfine and take her home. Some bars are good and some are bad, bad meaning not having attractive girls. This changes day-by-day and even hour-by hour with shift changes and girls being barfined. To have the best experience you will have to spend time visiting the bars and scoping out girls. No need to get drunk if you don't want to. You can order water or Coke to keep a clearer head and pick more carefully. I did have some bad nights where all the bars I visited didn't have any good talent, or the good ones had already been barfined. But I had more good nights than bad.

It's usually worth sitting down and ordering a drink as long as there are a few girls on stage, even if you are not interested in them. There's usually a second round of dancers after about 20 minutes, and sometimes a hot girl will materialize out of the ether.

It will take some time to figure out the good and bad bars. While I was there fun bars with pretty ladies where Gekos, Shooters, Old Bar and Brown Sugar. Lot's of hot young girls and if you find one or two you like they will keep you entertained. They will work it so you will want to barfine them. I wasn't impressed with Lollipop.

Bars that cater to our Asian friends have pretty ladies but are not as "fun". The prettiest ones may get taken out early in the evening. Bunny, Skyfall, Genesis, Baccara had pretties. These bars are kind of low-energy and the girls aren't as flirty, but if you see a girl you like you can tell a waitress who you like and she will call her down. I took a Bunny girl and was a satisfied customer for two nights in a row. Of course after I picked my girl a super-hot girl appeared. Now that it's my last night I'm contemplating going back and trying to pull off the fabled switcharoo.

I didn't spend much time in the big showbars like Dollhouse and XS. I'm guessing buying drinks for girls in these bars would be a waste of money since they are "models".

I didn't try any of the online options, so I can't speak to that.

And sadly I didn't encounter any roaming massage girls on the street (other than the aforementioned old homeless ladies).

The Cost.

Unfortunately this is no longer a budget destination. Barfines are 4,000 PHP. The good news is that guarantees long-time and there is no concept of short-time, meaning there is no discount for less time. Lady drinks are 350 PHP, so you have to be careful to only buy one drink for a girl you are interested in. Use that time to figure out if you want to boom boom her and ask her if she wants to go out.

I've spent $2,000 USD just in cash over 14 days, but I spent freely since I am on paid vacation.

[DzikaBomba]

But those of us who've been here for a long time have adapted before and now we're doing it again. You've got to work harder to find good girls but when you do it's as much fun as ever.

Not worth the hassle anymore. Better adapt to an other continent free of koreans and American Costa Rica mongers.

Are. I. P. Phillipines.

[Betong]

I think the golden years of Angeles were probably the mid 90's to 2000

I'd say a decade earlier, in the final years of Clark AFB. Manila and Bangkok reached peak raunch in the '80's but AC was a level beyond even that. Clark was the biggest US overseas base in the world and the bar scene was huge, extending around to MacArthur and 1st Street and stretching from Fields down Perimeter all the way to Friendship. I doubt if there's ever been anything else like it anywhere.

When the US left in '91 most people figured the bars would die. But some of them dusted themselves off from Pinatubo and got going again. Then, as you say, it got good again from the mid '90's, though smaller than before.

Now it's shrunken further and the Koreans have taken over most of it. Some people don't want to deal with that, and that's OK. But those of us who've been here for a long time have adapted before and now we're doing it again. You've got to work harder to find good girls but when you do it's as much fun as ever.

[NapaSlapper]

Can you distinguish Koreans from Filipinos? If yes, you will notice in the Korean bars probably at least one Korean man standing / sitting outside the bar (possibly watching the door barker girls), and several more inside the bar watching operations (watching the bartender and cash register, another watching waitresses). These are clearly employees (or co-owners, as other employees rarely interact with them) whose purpose appears to be to keep service up to their standard. Korean customers will be fawned over, while western customers might appear to be ignored. OTOH if you can't distinguish K / F's, you might never notice any of that. Also Napa has previously delineated a list of K and non-K bars.

Napa? Others? Here is a link to one of Napa's previous reports on Western / Korean bars:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2784254

Dear westy your description is pretty much spot on.

Off the top of my head bars that are very high (mostly 100%) asian punters are, xs club, club sky, avalon bar, QBar, casino bar, atlantis bar, club nana, Hi quality bar, if I'm out with asian clients this is where I take them, the few better looking girls angeles has to offer will be found here, some girls barfine, some are drinks only, many girls will only drink with asians.

Bars that are popular with asians but sometimes see westerners in very small numbers, dollhouse bar, carousel bar, arabesque bar, baccara bar, cosplay bar, skyfalls bar, monsoon bar, can find a diamond in the rough on occasions but they are mostly scooped up by the asians early.

Bars with more westerners than asians but can be quiet on many nights for punters and girl numbers, shooters bar, vikings bar, la bamba bar, lollipop bar, geckos bar, lucifer bar, girls older, fatter, plain janes mainly, but will barfine with westerners.

Think I have mentioned most of the walking st bars, hope that helps some noobies out.

[NapaSlapper]

My first trip was probably 2004. Probably fucked 4 girls a day at 500 to 1000 P per girl. Bars were insane. Wild girls all over you. Ladies drinks 100-125 P. And girls would grind on you for an hour for one or two drinks each. I remember buying 2 or 3 girls a drink and was drowning it tits and had tongues all over me. Had girls follow me out of the bar without even paying a barfine and hanging out for 2 days with me. One visit a friend and I had a 18 and 19 yo non pro girls for 3 days for nothing more than meals. Honestly, I am willing to pay 3 X what I paid back then but the same experience is just not available at any price.

Yes indeed, angeles was once a top crazy place, so many beautiful young girls to choose from, hell sometimes I could not make my mind up and just ended up barfing the lot, the prices were so cheap why not.

Yes fully agree that such is just not available in angeles any more, some say adjust with the times, lower the girl bar and be happy, I say why should one have to spend a fortune to get to angeles, pay the extortunate barfines now being quoted by mainly very low quality girls, hell I live 20 minutes from the action and many nights I prefer to stay home and watch tv rather than head out, if I was having to pay 4-500 usd per bargirl once long travel, hotel etc costs are taken into account I would be a very unhappy punter indeed.