Angeles City

[Kabul Guy]

I think picking up 2 or more girls on the street or via an app is on the risky side......

I hunt almost exclusively on the apps and never have had a issue, sometimes try to leave early but never a theft or scam issue.

The scammers and thieves are out there, they use the apps, street pickups and yes some even are bar girls.

It takes a little common sense and some experience to tell them apart fromj regular pro / non pro girls but it is possible. If at all concerned if there is a scam, I'll take a pass every time. I have passed on many so I am sure I have missed on some good sessions, but on the up side I have never been scammed or stolen from.

[Sidtip]

I think picking up 2 or more girls on the street or via an app is on the risky side. Bar girls are safer because you know where they work and they can't pull swifties without their boss finding out. The girls on the street hunt in packs for idiots and. As someone said, there is often a ladyboy giving suggestions and support. One will have you in the bed while the other walks around pilfering your stuff. They will take anything. Your phone, wallet, whatever and head out of town with a big payday till you leave.

[Sidtip]

would you have fled like he did?

Was his response extreme? Whats the best way to handle this situation? (on the basis that he didn't do anything with younger girls).

I think he was smart in telling her that he was 2 hours away and was coming back. That put everyone at ease and gave him time to get out. Everyone should remember this tactic. That said, I am sure it was a scam. But its better to err on the side of caution. He can switch to Cambodia or Thailand or Vn so it's no loss.

[Sidtip]

, do the ginger test or interview them before hand. It's not as if the online hookers are any cheaper. The girls in the bars are almost always over the age of 18 and the worst they can do is a runner after one pop.

There it is again. I thought last time it was a typo and meant to be finger test. What is this mysterious ginger test. Do we put it inside her to kill germs or does it come out a different colour if there is old cum in there. I really need to know.

[PedroMorales]

The authorities in PH can be much more corrupt than this. All it takes is for someone to have bad luck. Here's a bone chilling case that will send shivers down your spine https://youtu.be/7UHQqM8f50Y.

I'm only 10 minutes into this blatant stitch up but I can see where it is going. Paco's father is Spanish, influential family, bribes not paid, required viewing. Thanks again.

[NewImage]

Apologies I didn't realize you were IN the room for lunch. I assumed wrongly that you were in the hotel restaurant having lunch.

In my mind and please understand I am sympathetic to your situation, the stumbling point was letting anyone who even remotely looks younger than legal INTO your room.

I shy away from twosomes unless I feel very confident and anyone remotely young looking doesn't come near me. Was in Cebu once and must have turned away 5 girls because I thought they looked young or couldn't provide ID. Ain't gambling when on trips. Plenty of fish.

[Robbaf]

Respectfully disagree. A variety of this type of scam exists for this reason: Its profitable. Young ladies do this for a living. Most likely its just a scam involving the girls, not the police (or a fake police officer). He really did make mistakes, the biggest one was to allow a new girl to bring other young ladies into his hotel (that kind of activity is the province of your many-years, many-visits regulars).

NI asked if the OP made the right call by running. Maybe. You have to have experienced this to understand the fear: being jailed for something you didn't do. Only the gent in the situation can make that call. It is extremely difficult to: Prove something you DIDN'T do.

I might agree, and post her pic and a pic of her eye dee. However, I doubt the OP bothered with any of that (another mistake; had he taken a picture of the girl and her eye dee, there is little chance that she would have bothered with any of this).

Maybe I should have stated if he did not do it, you have no worries in hiring a lawyer. That was my point. I do not blame him for leaving, as I have also had to depart a hotel fast a couple of times over jealous bargirl husbands (husband?? Called while we were hard at it and she answered told him where we were and what we were doing. WTF) and jealous ex-pat boyfriends. I do not know if there was a problem, but I packed and left the city and moved to another city within hours. About 15-16 years ago I was in a local bar way off the beaten path with some Filipino friends. I was the only foreigner and was minding my manners and a Filipino ran in and shot at another Filipino sitting with his wife. Luckily, we were beside the door and it happened in the back of the bar and we were out of there in a New York minute. Since then, I always take every precaution while I am in the Philippines.

[RainMania]

Firstly from hearing other stories I would be concerned too and to be honest not sure how I would react. BUT. Something seems amiss here. A girl who he had lunch with turns around and tries to extort money off him for having sex with a minor. Are the Police that corrupt? Is the girl that dumb in that proving it didn't happen would be easy. I know scams happen but surely there is more to this. Surely this must be an extreme case. I can imagine sleeping with a girl who you thought was of age and her trying to extort money but something seems a miss here. If the Philippines was a possible mind field like this would guys risk in going there? Be interested in more exp posters response.

The authorities in PH can be much more corrupt than this. All it takes is for someone to have bad luck.

Here's a bone chilling case that will send shivers down your spine https://youtu.be/7UHQqM8f50Y.

[Engine Driver]

Any recommendations for some laxed and hands-on bars.

The type of hands on action you are seeking is at Tickles and Mirrors bars in Burgos Street, Makati. AC does not get that wild. If you buy an LD, the girl will come and sit with you and you may touch her. She is not going to get naked, unzip your fly, give you a blow job in public and let you slip a finger up her ass hole. AC is all rather tame.

[Dg8787]

TBG.

You did get scammed. You might not have paid directly to the scammers but your stay was shorted leaving you to run out of town and the country quicker than hell. You lost time and money.

Please give more details like the hotel you stayed in, where you did you eat? Or ordered in? What did you give the girl for the first date?

I personally like bargirls as I know I won't get scammed and there is some protection from it. You never know what you will get from online girls. They do look like a cheaper option but then it may really cost you!

[Thampi62]

Any recommendations for some laxed and hands-on bars.

I prefer Ponytails and Insomnia followed by Angel Witch among perimeter area. Ship wrecks in WS. For people watching and to try luck High Society.

[Member #4675]

Thank you for all the responses. Both private and here in the forum. Figured I respond to some of the questions / comments.

1. "If you are innocent, why did you run? Feels like an extreme reaction" - Look, I get it. After a couple of nights of sleep, a few thousand miles of distance and regaining the feeling of security, this entire episode feels like some dream and my reaction, in hindsight, feels silly and extreme. Thinking back, I guess I was acting in extreme caution. When she called me to mention the police complaint, I figured it could be one of two kinds of scams.

Scam 1- The woman is acting alone and hopes that the threat of a police complaint might make me pay her the amount she was asking for.

Scam 2 - The woman is partnering with the police and orchestrating this to get a big pay day (thousands of dollars).

Why did I run? I guess I could have called her bluff, but I figured it was not worth it. What if she was in fact involved with the cops and had I refused to pay, their next step would have been to barge into my hotel room and take me to the station where I would be threatened with jail unless I paid everything I owned? When I was talking to her on the phone, my first reaction was, "man how do I prove something I didn't do?" If it was down to her cousin's word over mine, did I really trust the judicial system of this country to follow the "innocent until prove guilty" motto? While I have grown up in a western country that has a strong rule of law, I trace part of my ancestory to a country where this is not the case. I have seen many second hand cases of how innocent people were not protected by the judiciary. So I decided to just leave. May be I could have just switched hotels or moved to a different city and stayed in Philippines rather than leaving the entire country, but I was just not ready to take that risk just to save my holiday or a few bucks. I am happy with my decision and if I am ever (god forbid) in such a situation again, I will probably take the same steps.

2. "Novice to the mongering scene" - I obviously fucked up, so I am not going to defend my mongering experience. But as I have been introspecting, its important to point out that I have more than 10 years of mongering experience and have visited Philippines and other countries in SE Asia and South America, multiple times. So I am quite disappointed in myself to have let this happen to me despite my years of experience. In hindsight, one of the biggest red flags was letting her cousins in my room to have lunch. May be I wanted to feel like the magnanimous foreigner offering free food to her family, may be I was just enjoying my time with her and I misconstrued the good times to mean she is a good person and let my guard down, or maybe I am in that stage of my life where I am seeking experiences from such encounters / trips that are more than just sex. In hindsight, I should have been more careful and obviously going to be moving forward.

3. "Why seek a lawyer if this didn't happen and you have already left the country?" - My rationale was, if the scam involved registering an actual complaint (I mean, its not hard to register a fake complaint), then do I really need an official complaint exist in some country, following me for the rest of my life? Who knows how that might come back to bite me. I figured, I at least find out. This was my initial reaction, but again, after couple of nights of sleep, all of this seems bizarre and distant. So may be I won't bother. But I don't know. The overtly cautious personality of mine might compel me to just find out than let the nagging thought persist in my head.

4. "If you actually did this, then you are not safe in your home country" - I didn't do it. I don't think I need to invest my time trying to convince an online stranger of my innocence.

5. Will I return to Philippines- I don't know. Certainly not in the near future. This entire episode has left me with a bad taste and revisiting this country will only bring back those memories. Not something I want to experience when I am on a vacation, looking to have a good time. May be once this has all faded off and I have regained my confidence, may be I will.

6. Lessons learned- Apart from the "don't let strangers, especially, if they look like minors, in the room", I will, from now on, always keep my actual hotel room safe from everyone and shift my encounters to an hourly rate hotel. This is easy as I generally prefer short time encounters anyway. I will also start taking photos of the IDs of the girls I hook up with. I already don't consume any alcohol on trips just so I stay sharp and have my senses with me, so I will just continue to do that.

Thank you for all of the comments. I feel bit more relaxed sharing this all here. This is a great forum and I have benefited from it. I have been a passive consumer of content on this website but I used to repay in other ways by being a paid member of the site. I will try to do more moving forward and start to actively post about my trips too.

Thank you all and especially to those who DM'ed me with support and suggestions.

[WestCoast1]

If you did not do it, you have no worries.

Respectfully disagree. A variety of this type of scam exists for this reason: Its profitable. Young ladies do this for a living. Most likely its just a scam involving the girls, not the police (or a fake police officer). He really did make mistakes, the biggest one was to allow a new girl to bring other young ladies into his hotel (that kind of activity is the province of your many-years, many-visits regulars).

NI asked if the OP made the right call by running. Maybe. You have to have experienced this to understand the fear: being jailed for something you didn't do. Only the gent in the situation can make that call. It is extremely difficult to: Prove something you DIDN'T do.

If you did not do anything wrong, you really need to post the name of the scammer you met online and maybe prevent another guy from having the same issues with her.

I might agree, and post her pic and a pic of her eye dee. However, I doubt the OP bothered with any of that (another mistake; had he taken a picture of the girl and her eye dee, there is little chance that she would have bothered with any of this).

[Goferring]

Not that I am stupid enough to go with younger girls than the law says but (experienced mongers) would you have fled like he did?

Was his response extreme? Whats the best way to handle this situation? (on the basis that he didn't do anything with younger girls).

Assuming TBG was a new guy to town with little idea how things work then he did the right thing. Its always better safe than sorry.

In the end it cost him very little and none of it went to the fraudster.

The best response is not to get into similar situations in the first place: get blind drunk, chase skanks, stagger home at 4 am, just don't do all 3 at once. Stay under the radar: girls and cops are looking for easy marks so don't be that guy that's throwing money around with abandon, chasing really young girls or putting yourself into risky situations.

If shit does go down then pay early and pay at the scene. Do not escalate the situation and sort it out with family or at the police station. The more people involved, the more it will cost and the longer it will take. If you go in to a cell, you are fucked.

If you want to talk your way out of it and call their bluff, know what you are talking about and do it confidently. I had a girl threaten to call the cops on me once and I just handed her my phone and told her she could call any General in my contact list that she wanted. That I said this in the local language and knew many LE helped.

Enjoy. G.

[Run Mann]

Let me know if you have any advise.

Send a PM to the most knowledgeable man in these parts, Sir Choca Monger. He will advise you of the steps to take in this situation.