Angeles City

[Dg8787]

I wish to chime in my penny here regarding comparisons. I've been all over SEA many times and by far the hottest providers are to be found in Jakarta, hands down.

By hottest do you mean by looks and performance or just by looks?

[Turgid]

I wish to chime in my penny here regarding comparisons. I've been all over SEA many times and by far the hottest providers are to be found in Jakarta, hands down.

[Goferring]

BB can you explain this? A shortage of older ladies? Or they are not attractive?

Couple of questions. Is that a post-covid price? That's $23 USD. That Classic price, and similar, were also to be found in the old Top Gun FL bars a decade ago (for ST). But prices started rising mid-2010's. Is that still current, and what do you get in the room for that? 1 pop and out?

I understand the old Jalan Falatehan bars didn't survive covid. Did pure FL bars reconvene elsewhere? For those uninitiated, those bars were similar to LA Cafe, 3 of them on the same block a short walk from each other, with much better looking girls, typically in the p1500 ($30 USD) ST / p2500 LT range. In other words, *heaven*.

The girls are young in Jakarta. My girls' average age is 20. Yes, it's difficult if you're looking for girls over 30 or even 25 at the places I mentioned. There are places if you want over the hill girls but I don't go to those.

Yes current prices or at least since earlier this year. I did read prices went up a couple of dollars US in some bars but I believe most of the popular ones are still 350-380 k. I assume it's 1 pop. I have never been rushed by any girl at Classic or Travel. I have been rushed by 1 single girl in all my trips to Jakarta and that was at Starmoon. Others at Starmoon were there for full time or longer. There are even cheaper local bars like Ruko Robinson for 300k (I assume that's still the price). Don't even look for information on Ruko I think Im the only person on ISG who has had the guts to go there.

Contrary to Classic, travel, the rooms in Kota Indah bars are dirty and sleazy. Think Soi 6 in Pattaya. I bring my own plastic sandals to Kota Indah if that says anything.

By FL bars I think you mean like BATS and CJ's? Those are 1-2 million and this was pre-COVID pricing. Would rather have 6 girls at my point and shoot places than 1 girl LT.

What I was hoping for in PI were bars like Jakarta point and shoot bars or top end talent gogo bars like in Pattaya. Don't seem to be anything close.



Yes, traffic is by far the worst in SEA. I didn't mention one of my favorite point and shoot bars, New Medika, since it's in West Jakarta. Taxis won't even go out there cause traffic is awful! I literally have to tell them I'll pay double to go out there.

Lack of English is a problem but you can weed that out if it's a must for you via mamasan or when you talk to them. I'm used to Japan now so Jakarta girls' ability to speak English is 100x better than young Japanese girls. The main reason is these girls are mostly new to the business and these are the bars they start in.



No matter what haters say Pattaya is still the best. I was more thinking Jakarta for him cause it's best bang for your buck for someone with a limited budget. Also easier for someone there on a short time frame to find decent looking young girls for a good price. They're there in Pattaya but it takes time to seek them out unless you are willing to pay gogo girl prices. Also, unlike Thailand, zero racial bias for anyone!

AC used to be point and shoot at cheap prices AND you could get LT if you wanted also, which is not possible from the Jakarta bars. Now, sadly you pay 100 USD for possible LT with a bar girl or 35 bucks for ST from one of two existing ST bars or street girls. But you won't find any lookers there although I have occasionally found an 18 yo newbie gem in ST bar for 1500 P. But she won't stay there long for sure as she realizes her true value. Haven't been to Jakarta yet but heading there in a couple of weeks for the $20ST with cute 20 yo girls. My intel says BBFS is fairly easy as well. If that's true, Jakarta will replace AC and Patts as my go to place for a fuck trip.

To answer a few of the questions and add to BB's comments:

Blok M has been dying for at least the last decade. Covid merely finished it off. My Bar is still there with girls but, yes, the whole vibe of the area is now a distant memory. What was once a staging area for the hot girls on their way to the five star establishments and farm fresh for the rest of the night, now only gets those well past their prime. Very occasionally there might be a cute dancer or similar but it's rare now.

BB's pricing is accurate for ST, on premises, for the Kota bars. LT takeaway is available. I think it's 5 or 10 hours so it's very rare. Yes a 26 yo would struggle to find work there as most are paying of dad's gambling debts so the lender can pick the prettiest sisters.

For accuracy, it is customary, though not compulsory, to leave the girl a 100 k tip for good service. Also, most of the bars often offer two-fer deals: two girls for approximately the price of one. A guaranteed way to have a good time and save a few bucks. LOL.

All of the dine in bars are 1 shot now. The girls generally aren't clock watchers but officially time's up when you have shot your load. The only place I know that was all you can eat for 60 minutes was Maribaya, the infamous 6th floor of the Malawi Hotel, but that's been gone for years now. It was standard to have first shot, a quick relaxing massage followed by second shot within one hour if the guy was willing and able.

Blok M bars were freelancers too (My Bar still is) like BATS and CJ's. The latter just had 5 star surroundings, $200 girls who spoke English and were often a few years older.

There are still many expat friendly bars in Jakarta but nothing has sprung up to replace Jl Falatehan ie a street of mid level bars where a foreigner can walk door to door and see hundreds of cute young girls.

Not sure why EA is comparing was AC was to what Jakarta is now. When AC was full of fun young hotties, it was definitely available in the Jakarta bars too.

Jakarta is great but it's not user friendly for a new monger.

Apologies for continuing the off topic post.

Cheers. G.

[Jarango]

you pay 100 USD for possible LT with a bar girl or 35 bucks for ST from one of two existing ST bars or street girls. the $20ST with cute 20 yo girls. .

When in a country, you should always use the currency of that country for a variety of reasons that range from decency to common sense. In this instance, whenever a provider uses the US $ to quote me a price, I move because I know she is over-charging. Being forces to check conversion rates, $20 is about 1100 PHP and 35 $ is just shy pf 2000 PHP, which should be plenty in a third world country. $100 is about 5500 which you should only pay if you want to put a ring on the hooker's finger and give her your last name.

[Expat American]

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What I was hoping for in PI were bars like Jakarta point and shoot bars or top end talent gogo bars like in Pattaya. Don't seem to be anything close.

AC used to be point and shoot at cheap prices AND you could get LT if you wanted also, which is not possible from the Jakarta bars. Now, sadly you pay 100 USD for possible LT with a bar girl or 35 bucks for ST from one of two existing ST bars or street girls. But you won't find any lookers there although I have occasionally found an 18 yo newbie gem in ST bar for 1500 P. But she won't stay there long for sure as she realizes her true value. Haven't been to Jakarta yet but heading there in a couple of weeks for the $20ST with cute 20 yo girls. My intel says BBFS is fairly easy as well. If that's true, Jakarta will replace AC and Patts as my go to place for a fuck trip.

[Banana Boi]

BB can you explain this? A shortage of older ladies? Or they are not attractive?

The girls are young in Jakarta. My girls' average age is 20. Yes, it's difficult if you're looking for girls over 30 or even 25 at the places I mentioned. There are places if you want over the hill girls but I don't go to those.

Couple of questions. Is that a post-covid price? That's $23 USD.

Yes current prices or at least since earlier this year. I did read prices went up a couple of dollars US in some bars but I believe most of the popular ones are still 350-380 k. I assume it's 1 pop. I have never been rushed by any girl at Classic or Travel. I have been rushed by 1 single girl in all my trips to Jakarta and that was at Starmoon. Others at Starmoon were there for full time or longer. There are even cheaper local bars like Ruko Robinson for 300k (I assume that's still the price). Don't even look for information on Ruko I think Im the only person on ISG who has had the guts to go there.

Contrary to Classic, travel, the rooms in Kota Indah bars are dirty and sleazy. Think Soi 6 in Pattaya. I bring my own plastic sandals to Kota Indah if that says anything.

By FL bars I think you mean like BATS and CJ's? Those are 1-2 million and this was pre-COVID pricing. Would rather have 6 girls at my point and shoot places than 1 girl LT.

What I was hoping for in PI were bars like Jakarta point and shoot bars or top end talent gogo bars like in Pattaya. Don't seem to be anything close.

The usual criticism of Jakarta is the traffic and the lack of English (esp at the cheaper places). This can be countered by the eagerness of good girls to act a tourist guide "plus plus".

Yes, traffic is by far the worst in SEA. I didn't mention one of my favorite point and shoot bars, New Medika, since it's in West Jakarta. Taxis won't even go out there cause traffic is awful! I literally have to tell them I'll pay double to go out there.

Lack of English is a problem but you can weed that out if it's a must for you via mamasan or when you talk to them. I'm used to Japan now so Jakarta girls' ability to speak English is 100x better than young Japanese girls. The main reason is these girls are mostly new to the business and these are the bars they start in.

Not withstanding the above, I'd still choose Pattaya for a virgin visitor.

No matter what haters say Pattaya is still the best. I was more thinking Jakarta for him cause it's best bang for your buck for someone with a limited budget. Also easier for someone there on a short time frame to find decent looking young girls for a good price. They're there in Pattaya but it takes time to seek them out unless you are willing to pay gogo girl prices. Also, unlike Thailand, zero racial bias for anyone!

[MrHappyKat]

Thanks for your post about FB groups in AC.

I will be in AC for a full month starting in mid-Feb. My 2nd visit. This time I want to focus on non-bargirl hookups and possibly find a girl (or 2, or 3?) who will want to hang out with me for 2-3 days. Finding a bar girl for that is not cost-effective and I'm guessing is likely to deliver less than ideal experiences.

So would you mind sharing the names of those 3 FB groups, please? I have found a couple of Manila-based groups. At least I think they are in / around Manila. But I haven't found anything solid in AC.

And can you tell me if you can get by in these groups as an English-only speaker? The groups I found are 95% in Tagalog.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

I frequent 3 Facebook groups of Angeles city and walking street. I posted a request for an appointment for LT sex (full night).

Indicating a budget between 2500 and 3000 php. I received 42 PMs of available girls.

At least half of them rather cute for my tastes.

This means say kboys or not there are still plenty of opportunities.

[WestCoast1]

Warning it is not the place for you if you like girls over 25.

BB can you explain this? A shortage of older ladies? Or they are not attractive?

Oh I see where you thought you had to drink I said 'bar scene'. I didn't mean bar like in a disco or freelance bar like in PI. Let's take Classic for example. SNIP Mamasan says want 2 girls? Say NO! You pay mamasan 365,000 rupiah. Mamasan usually keeps the change if you pay her 400,000. Off you go to a room with one of the 100+ girls in the bar. Places like Classic and Travel are also spotless. Rooms look new and cleaned immediately. Rooms even nicer than the soapies in Thaiand.

Couple of questions. Is that a post-covid price? That's $23 USD. That Classic price, and similar, were also to be found in the old Top Gun FL bars a decade ago (for ST). But prices started rising mid-2010's. Is that still current, and what do you get in the room for that? 1 pop and out?

I understand the old Jalan Falatehan bars didn't survive covid. Did pure FL bars reconvene elsewhere? For those uninitiated, those bars were similar to LA Cafe, 3 of them on the same block a short walk from each other, with much better looking girls, typically in the p1500 ($30 USD) ST / p2500 LT range. In other words, *heaven*.

[Mahaba]

I frequent 3 Facebook groups of Angeles city and walking street. I posted a request for an appointment for LT sex (full night).

Indicating a budget between 2500 and 3000 php. I received 42 PMs of available girls.

At least half of them rather cute for my tastes.

This means say kboys or not there are still plenty of opportunities.

Thats actually the best way to meet them and manage expectations. I have done the same with outstanding results.

However, for me the downside of today's environment is that the bar scene has changed so much since the 80's and 90's that its not as much fun to bar hop.

Times change so we need to adapt.

[Jarango]

, I'd still choose Pattaya for a virgin.

Now that would be a sight worth seeing.

[Goferring]

I'm not sure where you got the impression that drinking was required in Jakarta. I said there is NO drinking system ie need to buy a girl a drink for her to go to the room with you or spend a few minutes with you. You are not even required to buy a drink in many bars.

Jakarta is where every monger makes there biggest mistake. It took me 2 year after arriving in SEA to go to Jakarta even though I had many friends telling me to go. Once I arrived I was kicking myself for not going. Really pretty girls for dirt cheap. For value it blows away any other SEA country by a mile if you need to see a girl in person before committing. Warning it is not the place for you if you like girls over 25.

Edit. Oh I see where you thought you had to drink I said 'bar scene'. I didn't mean bar like in a disco or freelance bar like in PI. Let's take Classic for example. You go in. Ignore the mamasan. Walk around. See a girl you like. Ask her who her mamasan is. Mamasan says want 2 girls? Say NO! You pay mamasan 365,000 rupiah. Mamasan usually keeps the change if you pay her 400,000. Off you go to a room with one of the 100+ girls in the bar. Places like Classic and Travel are also spotless. Rooms look new and cleaned immediately. Rooms even nicer than the soapies in Thaiand.

The usual criticism of Jakarta is the traffic and the lack of English (esp at the cheaper places). This can be countered by the eagerness of good girls to act a tourist guide "plus plus".

I'd certainly recommend Jakarta or even wider Indonesia for a good time. Just skip Bali, where tourists are ripped off with the poor service or over charging on a regular basis.

Not withstanding the above, I'd still choose Pattaya for a virgin visitor.

Enjoy. G.

[Banana Boi]

Also not the biggest fan of drinking I'll do it social but would rather drink water or tea so might pass on the Jakarta but the Vietnam does sound very promising so I might strongly consider adding that to my summer trip.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that drinking was required in Jakarta. I said there is NO drinking system ie need to buy a girl a drink for her to go to the room with you or spend a few minutes with you. You are not even required to buy a drink in many bars.

Jakarta is where every monger makes there biggest mistake. It took me 2 year after arriving in SEA to go to Jakarta even though I had many friends telling me to go. Once I arrived I was kicking myself for not going. Really pretty girls for dirt cheap. For value it blows away any other SEA country by a mile if you need to see a girl in person before committing. Warning it is not the place for you if you like girls over 25.

Edit. Oh I see where you thought you had to drink I said 'bar scene'. I didn't mean bar like in a disco or freelance bar like in PI. Let's take Classic for example. You go in. Ignore the mamasan. Walk around. See a girl you like. Ask her who her mamasan is. Mamasan says want 2 girls? Say NO! You pay mamasan 365,000 rupiah. Mamasan usually keeps the change if you pay her 400,000. Off you go to a room with one of the 100+ girls in the bar. Places like Classic and Travel are also spotless. Rooms look new and cleaned immediately. Rooms even nicer than the soapies in Thaiand.

[Medellin65]

I frequent 3 Facebook groups of Angeles city and walking street. I posted a request for an appointment for LT sex (full night).

Indicating a budget between 2500 and 3000 php. I received 42 PMs of available girls.

At least half of them rather cute for my tastes.

This means say kboys or not there are still plenty of opportunities.

[Jarango]

Street girls are about 1000 to 1500 Peso. As with everywhere in the Phils, condoms are optional. For 2, you can thank the Pope. Philippines is strictly catholic so birth control is discouraged. Strangely, sex with strangers is not.

You didn't address, never mind answer the questions I asked.

1. I was specifically asking about hookers who are to be found 24/7 in specific streets, mostly servicing a local crowd. I imagine they are very low end and doubt they get 1000. I also imagine, my prejudice perhaps, they have high STI rates, though there are some middle aged uglies to be found in walking St.

2. The Pope has nothing to do with it. Less than 80% are Catholic and they would have a weak grasp of that. Condoms are ubiquitous in 7/11 etc. Interesting, Muslims seem to have the street trade cornered. There are plenty of documentaries online of women who got HIV in Fields yet their hooker network does not seem to mind. Their bareback default position must be almost unique.

[Expat American]

1. Has anyone ever copulated with those street hookers who hang about the dark and dangerous looking streets behind Johnny's and, if so, how much do they charge? I have passed that way many times and used the st hotel but they look rough, even for me.

2. Given that the bar girls / go go dancers have to get regular check pus (where no doubt they get appropriate cover up warnings), how come bareback cum in pussy is the default? I get their negotiating skills might not be the best but surely the penny drops when they see their pals get caught one way or another.

Street girls are about 1000 to 1500 Peso. As with everywhere in the Phils, condoms are optional. For 2, you can thank the Pope. Philippines is strictly catholic so birth control is discouraged. Strangely, sex with strangers is not.