Angeles City

[Nvslim]

btw, anyone here been to or tried their luck at exclusive juliana's?

this is what i found on google:

juliana theater lounge: located on 1st avenue across astral park from fields avenue. you should take a trike to go here. "the most overlooked establishment among the foreigners. it offers top level staff, management and hostesses. the classiest women in a.c. are definitely in juliana! everyone is welcome, but bring some money, they'll make you sign for everything you purchase. the food is great, the doors open at 8 p.m. offering karaoke for guests until 9:30 p.m. where live music takes place (usually the top three bands in the area). at 11 p.m during the weekdays you'll see a 7 person super juliana model fashion show and 10-12 person modern dance show. the dance shows are well rehearsed and worth the time to stay and enjoy. girls (juliana staff members) drinks are p250 each. you can choose who you want sitting beside you, although you are greeted by two hostesses from the start, be insistent on who you want to sit next to you, if any. over the past five years, i have brought my friends, dentist, wife, and business associates with me and they seem to remember all of their names over the years. i average paying around p2,000 with a few guests for a few hours, the most i've spent is p4,000 with 5 guests for 3 hours. it's well worth the trip, at least one of the nights you're there. if i enjoy the company and conversation of the hostesses, i'll tip them p500/ea as i leave. the entire staff is truly professional."

not sure how current.

slim

[Bob Down]

btw, anyone here been to or tried their luck at exclusive juliana's?

i have never heard of juliana's, but i did barfine a girl from nasty duck once. she said she used to work in a korean bar, but she said she was not tall or pretty enough compared to the other girls. maybe she was just bullshiting me, i wasn't complaining about the way she looked.

[HornyGeorge]

While they are very standoffish, and do not readily mix with non Korean punters, my biggest annoyance is the attempt to convert the former "Friendship" district into "Koreatown" (where non Koreans are told they are not welcome). Koreans are right up there with Japanese as World class xenophobes, and while in their own countries I can at least see an argument for creating locals only zones, to try and do it in a foreign country takes Chutzpah. Little doubt they are paying through the nose for the "privilege" of creating Koreatown on Pinoy soil but it still irks me (as many of the best girls WILL want to work there because of the 3 2 1 rule: 3000 Piso tip, 2 inch penis, 1 minute of boomboom.).

I also LOATHE the smoke they cause in bars and restaurants, but probably no worse than Chinese, Pinoys or Brits for that matter. If the PI would just start enforcing the EXISTING law against smoking in public (like the mayor does in Davao) all would be cool.

In their own country they.

[Primo Bolan]

Time Gentlemen!

I were in Angeles 2 years ago and stayed at Clarkton. The food was really good.

I met an american guy who was going to change hotel for some reson.

A couple of days later I met him in the hotelbar again and I asked him why his back at Clarkton and he told me he stayed some days at Wild Orchid
but he went back to Clarkton because the food was awful at WO.

This was then, how about now.? Who`s got the best hotelfood?

By the way I`ve been 3 times in Angeles at Swagman and Clarkton.I like them both but the new annex at Clakton makes it better.

Love Primo

[Hairy Wonder]

Other girls might like American but hate German guys.

Damn! Now I have to decide which half of my geniology (is that spelled correctly?) I should tell them about. The German half, or the American half. :D

I know I contributed a lot to the negative comments about the Koreans. I appologize if this offended anyone, or gave anybody a bad impression of these guys that obviously have more money to burn (or more debt) than I do.

I agree with the guys here, that there are plenty of sexy young Filipinas to go around. Some will run to the guys that are willing to spend massive amounts of money. In fact, I expect that most of the girls would rather do that, than to waste their time with a kuripot, cheap charlie like myself. I do feel that the prices, or expectations for more money, will increase as the bar owners and the girls get wind of how much these guys are willing to spend. But hey, inflations affects everything. :(

As one of the initial contributors to this specific debate, I think that we have beat the dead horse enough. regardless of what any of us on this board think, guys are going to spend as much as they feel they need to spend in order to have the best time they can, regardless of what country they are from. I think we should let this topic die out, and return to discussing the LBFM's that are interested in pleasing those of us from other parts of the world. Just my opinion.

Happy Mongering!
HW

[Victorian]

Once, in a stupid mood, I got a bit tired of the question the bar girl always asks: "where are you from".

I told her I was from America and then, for fun, a bit later I asked her what she thinks of Australian guys. She told me they were kuripot/cheap charlies and didn't like them. :)

When I tell girls I'm from Australia, they will always tell me how much they like Australians! :)

All this talk about Koreans throwing their money around, we are forgeting one thing here. There are many girls in AC and not all of them like Koreans, some girls like black guys others do not. Other girls might like American but hate German guys.

There is someone for everyone who wishes to visit AC. So what if many of the pretty girls go for the money, their will always be girls who will go for me and not what she thinks I might tip her in the morning.

Girls have ideas maybe from good or bad experiences with men from different countries and this will have a bearing on if she will like you or not.

[Bob Down]

All this talk about Koreans throwing their money around, we are forgeting one thing here. There are many girls in AC and not all of them like Koreans, some girls like black guys others do not. Other girls might like American but hate German guys.

There is someone for everyone who wishes to visit AC. So what if many of the pretty girls go for the money, their will always be girls who will go for me and not what she thinks I might tip her in the morning.

Girls have ideas maybe from good or bad experiences with men from different countries and this will have a bearing on if she will like you or not.

[Poopbunny]

As much as it annoys some of us, from memory, the issue is not about what punters are willing to pay, but the creation of "Korean only" establishments outside Korea, that are designed to exclude ("or discourage") everyone but Koreans. This smacks of apartheid.

BTW, anyone here been to or tried their luck at exclusive Juliana's?

[Professional]

I guess that from the POV of a provider, what you say makes sense. Obviously if you are selling a Honda and someone comes in offering to buy one at 100 times list price, you will sell.

However, this forum is for buyers of the service. So I ask, why would anyone in their right mind pay over the list price for a service? Why would you pay 100 times the list price for a Honda, when you get the same Honda as someone paying list price?

One of the things that consistently come out of these forums is that while YMMV, there is often no direct relationship between price paid, and service offered.

I have had PSE from gals from the Perimeter for no tip expected or given, and there are plenty of reports here of 'dancers' and 'spotlight girls' from places like Agasaya and Dollhouse charging three times as much, expecting a tip, but doing a runner, and having attitudes. (Note, I am not saying they all do, but merely pointing out that in this business, the amount paid is incidental to what you get).

So the first question I would ask, is why on earth any punter would pay more for service when report after report says that you don't necessarily get a better service for doing so. Marriage being a case in point. LOL!

Next point is that I have observed this in other areas. In Prague, you used to be able to get ladies in Wenceslas Sq for very reasonable prices. Punters came in and overpaid. Now you those prices at Wenceslas Square are through the roof, and the service is crap. HOWEVER, if you know where to go, you can get better service for half that. If you speak some Czech, you can get it for a third of that, and if you are Czech, for even less again.

My point being that if you overpay, then the providers will just increase the price you pay and give you exactly the same service as they give others for much much less.

In the Angeles City situation, it seems that what has developed is a several tier approach to prices. Koreans and Japanese pay the highest, Americans on the next tier, and non tipping cultures like Aussies pay lower, and no doubt Pinoys pay even less in clubs which don't let the rest of us in. (And I have some information from some of the ladies I have seen that often the Pinoys demand and get a better service than offered to the rest).

So the second question is why on earth would a punter like to contribute to a situation where he and his countrymen are paying multiples of what others are paying?

Actually my point was that Koreans are there and paying these prices and if the girls don’t want to go with you because they can get a better price then it is there choice.

I understand your point I myself do not like to pay more than necessary. Remember the girls are out for themselves if can they get more money from a Korean or Japanese then it is there choice whether or not they want to pursue this. If your positions were reversed wouldn't you do the same?

I know I am looking at this from the bargirls prospective but what other prospective is there? We are in there country after all.

Thanks

[LoveAsianWhores]

However, the Koreans, and to some extent the Japanese, have come into AC and their willingness to throw money around will eventually affect all our pocket books. They either do not understand the concept of costs effectiveness or they just don't care.

Or maybe they just can and the girls desearve it. Lets not worry too much about our own costs. Sure, their actions drive up costs for all of us, but they also drive up the income for the girls. And the girls need it more than all of us. Maybe we should strive to be more like the Koreans, and not bemoan their generosity.

[MisterMax808]

In addition to Mister Max below, I had a PM from someone else also interested in where to play tennis in AC.

(I) Del Rosario

I normally play here. If you're going along McArthur Hwy from Fields, it's to the right of the bridge to Angeles City, just past Robinsons Mall. Locals know that location from the swimming pool just near the courts.

Very easy to get to from Fields by jeepney or trike.

The courts aren't great (en tout cas/clay), but quite playable and the people there are very friendly. There's a bit of traffic noise from the bridge, but not too bad.

You can't book a court, which is a bit frustrating for someone used to the well organised system in Australia. The trick is to play in the morning or get there by about 3pm to avoid the busy period.

The cost is something like 300 pesos for ball boy, court and coach/playing partner (sorry I can't remember the exact price as normally I give the coach and ballboy a tip). That's about 1/8 the price of a coach in Australia!

I bring my own balls as the ones there are pretty bad. There used to be a good little sports shop in Robinsons next to the courts, but that's now closed so you have to buy them somewhere else (e. G. SM Mall). Tennis balls are pretty cheap in the Philippines.

The guy I normally play is Jun, but Robert and Billy are also good to play with.

Telephone numbers to organise a hit:
Jun - 0928 354 3460
Robert - 0909 373 2922
Billy - 0920 470 4442

(ii) El Rancho Tennis Court


Gate 2, Carmenville. Near Malabanias Bridge
Poker is the professional there. He's a very steady and decent guy. Good quality courts in a nice quiet area, but you have to have transport to get there. I used to go there by hiring a trike to wait for me, but it's a fair distance.

Great for guys who have a bike or car or live in AC.

(iii) Other places

I've heard of some indoor courts, perhaps in Angeles City, that could be worth checking out. And also I heard that Holiday Inn in Clark also has courts, but I haven't been there either. If anyone knows of good courts with a good coach and easy to get to, I'm interested.

I may be in AC again in Dec, Jan or Feb, so anyone around then who would like a hit, please PM me.

Cheers

Thank you Victorian. I shall try to explore that area. I have travelled to many places around asia playing at different tennis courts. In 2005 on my first visit to the Philippines, I did play at the El Rancho Tennis Courts with Poker. It was delightful, but out of the way. But ever since then, I have been returning to AC and not having the opportunity to play tennis again. If given a chance, I would like to play tennis whenever I revisit AC. Perhaps this will be the start.

Gratefully yours,

Max

[Hesekiels]

However, this forum is for buyers of the service. So I ask, why would anyone in their right mind pay over the list price for a service? Why would you pay 100 times the list price for a Honda, when you get the same Honda as someone paying list price?

Rubberyman is perfectly right, AC is a buyers market! Hence I am wondering why anybody should get upset with the Koreans as long as all of us get exactly the same service for 1,350 pesos? Or does anybody seriously believe that the girls give them a better bbbj (etc) than to Joe the plumber? I would, however, doubt it! :)

I do neither care that Koreans buy 20 or more drinks for their bargirls, nor if they tip for LT with 2,000 pesos. Nobody forces us to do the same, or am I wrong?

IMHO of course!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[Darth Sushi]

To Victorian or any other tennis players?

Can I get more information where I can play some light tennis when I am in AC?

There are a couple of tennis courts on Clark near CDC on the parade grounds close to the Red Crab restaurant. I do not know the requirements to use the courts.

[Victorian]

In addition to Mister Max below, I had a PM from someone else also interested in where to play tennis in AC.

(I) Del Rosario

I normally play here. If you're going along McArthur Hwy from Fields, it's to the right of the bridge to Angeles City, just past Robinsons Mall. Locals know that location from the swimming pool just near the courts.

Very easy to get to from Fields by jeepney or trike.

The courts aren't great (en tout cas/clay), but quite playable and the people there are very friendly. There's a bit of traffic noise from the bridge, but not too bad.

You can't book a court, which is a bit frustrating for someone used to the well organised system in Australia. The trick is to play in the morning or get there by about 3pm to avoid the busy period.

The cost is something like 300 pesos for ball boy, court and coach/playing partner (sorry I can't remember the exact price as normally I give the coach and ballboy a tip). That's about 1/8 the price of a coach in Australia!

I bring my own balls as the ones there are pretty bad. There used to be a good little sports shop in Robinsons next to the courts, but that's now closed so you have to buy them somewhere else (e. G. SM Mall). Tennis balls are pretty cheap in the Philippines.

The guy I normally play is Jun, but Robert and Billy are also good to play with.

Telephone numbers to organise a hit:
Jun - 0928 354 3460
Robert - 0909 373 2922
Billy - 0920 470 4442

(ii) El Rancho Tennis Court
Gate 2, Carmenville. Near Malabanias Bridge
Poker is the professional there. He's a very steady and decent guy. Good quality courts in a nice quiet area, but you have to have transport to get there. I used to go there by hiring a trike to wait for me, but it's a fair distance.
Great for guys who have a bike or car or live in AC.

(iii) Other places
I've heard of some indoor courts, perhaps in Angeles City, that could be worth checking out. And also I heard that Holiday Inn in Clark also has courts, but I haven't been there either. If anyone knows of good courts with a good coach and easy to get to, I'm interested.

I may be in AC again in Dec, Jan or Feb, so anyone around then who would like a hit, please PM me.

Cheers

To Victorian or any other tennis players?

Can I get more information where I can play some light tennis when I am in AC?

[Rubberyman]

Here's my two cents I may not be to popular with my opinion but it is still there money (Koreans or any other race) they can spend it anyway they like and if you do not like it maybe Philippines is not the place you.

Giving an example if someone offers you 100, 000 usa dollars for your honda would you sell it to them? I think yes, will it raise the price of hondas, maybe but it is not your call if you don't like it don't buy a honda. As for ruining the market it is not ruining the market if you look at it from the bar girls stand point. Who are we to say you can not pay more or give bigger tip?

As for there attitude's I know they have a temper but other than that I find them very friendly. Germans actually give me more problem than koreans but that may be just the individuals I have met. I also think it is just part of there culture (the koreans).

Sorry just my two cents.

I guess that from the POV of a provider, what you say makes sense. Obviously if you are selling a Honda and someone comes in offering to buy one at 100 times list price, you will sell.

However, this forum is for buyers of the service. So I ask, why would anyone in their right mind pay over the list price for a service? Why would you pay 100 times the list price for a Honda, when you get the same Honda as someone paying list price?

One of the things that consistently come out of these forums is that while YMMV, there is often no direct relationship between price paid, and service offered.

I have had PSE from gals from the Perimeter for no tip expected or given, and there are plenty of reports here of 'dancers' and 'spotlight girls' from places like Agasaya and Dollhouse charging three times as much, expecting a tip, but doing a runner, and having attitudes. (Note, I am not saying they all do, but merely pointing out that in this business, the amount paid is incidental to what you get).

So the first question I would ask, is why on earth any punter would pay more for service when report after report says that you don't necessarily get a better service for doing so. Marriage being a case in point. LOL!

Next point is that I have observed this in other areas. In Prague, you used to be able to get ladies in Wenceslas Sq for very reasonable prices. Punters came in and overpaid. Now you those prices at Wenceslas Square are through the roof, and the service is crap. HOWEVER, if you know where to go, you can get better service for half that. If you speak some Czech, you can get it for a third of that, and if you are Czech, for even less again.

My point being that if you overpay, then the providers will just increase the price you pay and give you exactly the same service as they give others for much much less.

In the Angeles City situation, it seems that what has developed is a several tier approach to prices. Koreans and Japanese pay the highest, Americans on the next tier, and non tipping cultures like Aussies pay lower, and no doubt Pinoys pay even less in clubs which don't let the rest of us in. (And I have some information from some of the ladies I have seen that often the Pinoys demand and get a better service than offered to the rest).

So the second question is why on earth would a punter like to contribute to a situation where he and his countrymen are paying multiples of what others are paying?