Angeles City

[Goferring]

The difference is that there are no sweet young SEA spinners in my home country. 40+ yo Thais? Sure, tons of those. So honestly, it is not only a cost-per-fuck calculation for me; there's a qualitative difference that you cannot repeat. RE: Air fares. I was quite surprised that I managed to snag return tix (EU - PHL) in November for 850 EUR. Tickets were a lot more expensive last time I went in June (probably 1600 EUR), which surprises me, June being rainy season etc.

I've always said that I don't think that the PI is best at anything but the total package is hard to beat.

Thais are prettier, Pattaya has more selection, lots of English speaking options, backwater countries are cheaper etc etc. However, I don't know anywhere else that offers a 80% solution in all categories plus generous visa allowances and semi believable cover stories.

I'd agree that sometimes it's not just about the cost.

Enjoy. G.

[DoktorEn]

The difference is that there are no sweet young SEA spinners in my home country. 40+ yo Thais? Sure, tons of those. So honestly, it is not only a cost-per-fuck calculation for me; there's a qualitative difference that you cannot repeat. RE: Air fares. I was quite surprised that I managed to snag return tix (EU - PHL) in November for 850 EUR. Tickets were a lot more expensive last time I went in June (probably 1600 EUR), which surprises me, June being rainy season etc.

[Breadman]

I've done this math many times. If you're only computing price per sexual encounter, AC is not worth it, once you factor in air fare, decent hotel, and barfines. You can kind of leave out food because you'd have to buy food at home anyway. So if you hate AC and find it to be a dump and boring, don't waste your time. I enjoy sitting around in my hotel and watching movies and shows and basketball and then having a daytime drink and wandering around the city, then partying, drinking, barfining, and occasional civilian pickup at night (and of course the bbfs). You have to see it as a vacation where you relax and get laid. If that's not your thing, stay away.

Sexual encounter doesn't include airfare or hotels, sexual encounter is the price to get the girl to have sex with you. Everyone has different travel costs, the Koreans might only pay $200 usd for a roundtrip flight. You might stay in a $80 per night hotel where another guy is paying $18. You can't just say 'AC is not worth it because I'm paying too much to get here'. So cutting out all transportation and accomodation costs aside just what is acceptable? AC has a wide range of prices. From 2300 peso's for a barfine and sex upwards of 5000 on Walking Street. What is 'not worth' paying $40 to $80 usd for a round of sex from a girl that you picked 'not worth it? There are retirees who refuse to move overseas and leave their friends / hometown, not my problem if they see paying $1,500 for a flight and $800 for hotels 'not worth it' so they can stay living where they want to live. I had friends who talked of having their own 'harem'. A group of girls they rotated in and out. Leaving only a spare day (if that) for a new girl. Now I have that here in Angeles and honestly the amount of work you have to do to keep all of them happy and all of the 'emergencies' under control is tiresome. But AC is anthing BUT not worth it. You just have to find a place where you can live and enjoy a normal life without having several 4 year olds peeping into your apartment and all of that jazz. I have a 40 foot private balcony that overlooks a quiet street and many times I've gotten BJ's sitting in my living room watch life go by 100 feet away. In this case the privacy is worth every penny to me.

[AggieDad1]

I am not so sure I have seen other posts here with wide variations in air fare. One has to be careful with scraper sites. I prefer to book with airlines so I know what I get. One big problem for me in doing the math is one hour turn around / transfer times with Kuwait Airlines.

As air fares have gone up, we have to look at longer stays to get back our air fare in extra bonks (if we can manage the bonk and the extra time).

60 days = airfare (1000) + hotel (1000) + food etc (1000) = 3000 or 50 $/ Euros per day.

If we go for 6000 PHP in hookers a week, that is 360,000 PHP = 6000 euros etc roughly, which seems a lot. But that is only about 100 $ a week in bonk which is not a lot. Plus one "saves" by not bonking before or after. If we regard Angeles as a bonkathon, that is see $500 a week in bonks, which is fine for a short duration.

I have been looking for places closer to Europe. Africa is the obvious choice but SE Asia is miles safer.

If we go for only 30 days, then no need for visa extension (3600 PHP saved or 2 bonks) and 1000 (or 60000 PHP or 30 + bonks).

A 30 day bonkaton would be 2000 base + 3000 in bonks - = 5000 or say 150 per bonk, which is not that different from Europe though the bonk might be better.

Those are the roughest of very rough calculations. We have a base (air fare + basics). Then we have the bonks, which could also be classified as basics.

I figure, unless one is getting a lot more from it in terms of golf, scuba diving, medical etc, it is just not worth it for the hassle.

Although there is no answer to this, I feel less Western folk will go there for short hauls.

Air fares are not going to get cheaper. Longer breaks means more time away from home which is an issue. There is definite opening for a sleaze pot nearer to Western Europe but it is hard to see that eventuating. Short trips might be worth it but too much wear and tear. It is a major issue but not one our politicians would get worked up over as they can fund their own needs.

Anyone who loves fishing will tell you, if they are honest, that it would be cheaper to buy your fish at the market rather than catch the fish yourself. But where is the fun in that? I go to Asia because I enjoy the thrill of casting my line and see what I can catch. Yes, I could save money if I stayed home and fished locally but it is just not as fun. Go where you enjoy life. Fuck the money.

[FuriousGeorge]

I've done this math many times. If you're only computing price per sexual encounter, AC is not worth it, once you factor in air fare, decent hotel, and barfines. You can kind of leave out food because you'd have to buy food at home anyway. So if you hate AC and find it to be a dump and boring, don't waste your time. I enjoy sitting around in my hotel and watching movies and shows and basketball and then having a daytime drink and wandering around the city, then partying, drinking, barfining, and occasional civilian pickup at night (and of course the bbfs). You have to see it as a vacation where you relax and get laid. If that's not your thing, stay away.

I am not so sure I have seen other posts here with wide variations in air fare. One has to be careful with scraper sites. I prefer to book with airlines so I know what I get. One big problem for me in doing the math is one hour turn around / transfer times with Kuwait Airlines.

As air fares have gone up, we have to look at longer stays to get back our air fare in extra bonks (if we can manage the bonk and the extra time).

60 days = airfare (1000) + hotel (1000) + food etc (1000) = 3000 or 50 $/ Euros per day.

If we go for 6000 PHP in hookers a week, that is 360,000 PHP = 6000 euros etc roughly, which seems a lot. But that is only about 100 $ a week in bonk which is not a lot. Plus one "saves" by not bonking before or after. If we regard Angeles as a bonkathon, that is see $500 a week in bonks, which is fine for a short duration.

I have been looking for places closer to Europe. Africa is the obvious choice but SE Asia is miles safer.

If we go for only 30 days, then no need for visa extension (3600 PHP saved or 2 bonks) and 1000 (or 60000 PHP or 30 + bonks).

A 30 day bonkaton would be 2000 base + 3000 in bonks - = 5000 or say 150 per bonk, which is not that different from Europe though the bonk might be better.

Those are the roughest of very rough calculations. We have a base (air fare + basics). Then we have the bonks, which could also be classified as basics.

I figure, unless one is getting a lot more from it in terms of golf, scuba diving, medical etc, it is just not worth it for the hassle.

Although there is no answer to this, I feel less Western folk will go there for short hauls.

Air fares are not going to get cheaper. Longer breaks means more time away from home which is an issue. There is definite opening for a sleaze pot nearer to Western Europe but it is hard to see that eventuating. Short trips might be worth it but too much wear and tear. It is a major issue but not one our politicians would get worked up over as they can fund their own needs.

[Jarango]

Besides, it's far cheaper to fuck hot girls in Rich White Man Land than it is to go over to pick up sluts from Tondo. Goodbye Philippines.

I am not so sure I have seen other posts here with wide variations in air fare. One has to be careful with scraper sites. I prefer to book with airlines so I know what I get. One big problem for me in doing the math is one hour turn around / transfer times with Kuwait Airlines.

As air fares have gone up, we have to look at longer stays to get back our air fare in extra bonks (if we can manage the bonk and the extra time).

60 days = airfare (1000) + hotel (1000) + food etc (1000) = 3000 or 50 $/ Euros per day.

If we go for 6000 PHP in hookers a week, that is 360,000 PHP = 6000 euros etc roughly, which seems a lot. But that is only about 100 $ a week in bonk which is not a lot. Plus one "saves" by not bonking before or after. If we regard Angeles as a bonkathon, that is see $500 a week in bonks, which is fine for a short duration.

I have been looking for places closer to Europe. Africa is the obvious choice but SE Asia is miles safer.

If we go for only 30 days, then no need for visa extension (3600 PHP saved or 2 bonks) and 1000 (or 60000 PHP or 30 + bonks).

A 30 day bonkaton would be 2000 base + 3000 in bonks - = 5000 or say 150 per bonk, which is not that different from Europe though the bonk might be better.

Those are the roughest of very rough calculations. We have a base (air fare + basics). Then we have the bonks, which could also be classified as basics.

I figure, unless one is getting a lot more from it in terms of golf, scuba diving, medical etc, it is just not worth it for the hassle.

Although there is no answer to this, I feel less Western folk will go there for short hauls.

Air fares are not going to get cheaper. Longer breaks means more time away from home which is an issue. There is definite opening for a sleaze pot nearer to Western Europe but it is hard to see that eventuating. Short trips might be worth it but too much wear and tear. It is a major issue but not one our politicians would get worked up over as they can fund their own needs.

[NapaSlapper]

Saturday night 29.7. 2023.

It was going to be a split barhop this night, first with western friends in the few western orientated bars of walking street and then on to meet korean business investors and hit the many korean orientated bars of walking street.

The reason of two seperate barhops in two different types of bars is because koreans do not like the look of the girls in the western bars and my western friends refuse to go to the korean bars because the girls there are cold to them and mostly won't sit for drinks with them as they only have eyes for the many asian guys.

Its monsoon season so neavy rain most days and nights, soon as it stops raining it starts again.

Western bars,

Geckos bar, where multiple years ago this was a very popular bar it now is very quiet on most nights for girl numbers, probably 7-8 girls in on Saturday, one drink and moved on as girls looked bored as well as being old.

Lollipop bar which is just next door to geckos bar so was the obvious next choice, very quiet,4 expat old guys in when we attended, none sitting with girls, girl numbers were low, a mixture of oldies, fatties, new t backs (thongs) in white for all the girls, in truth most did not have the body shape to carry off a t back but at least they were smiling and trying to get called over for a lady drink but no takers from our group due to very low quality fatties and oldies,1 drink and moved on.

Vikings bar, now this is a nice size bar, the owners and mummies make sure to make one welcome and comfortable, waitresses in white and black uniforms, girls in bikinis, 20 odd girls in tonight, some playing on their phones, some smiling and some not looking happy at all, friends invited the only 2 non fatties over for drinks, they are seasoned mongers and of course got to the barfine question on the 1st drink, girls wanted 4,000 peso short time 1 hour, friends declined,2 drinks and we were out of the place.

Korean bars next for me, friends called it a night and went on to have food in envy.

Q bar, this is a popular bar for asians only, nice welcome from the Korea manager, he had remembered my name and had lead me through to where my korean friend were waiting for me, they already had a table full of drinks and girls sitting with them,2 of the girls made room for me in the middle of them, they were known to me as had sat with them in a group of koreans many times before, looking around the bar it was quieter than normal for girl numbers, this is a nice bar and one of my go to places, couple of drinks and we moved on.

Avalon bar, again a korean oriented bar, no westerners and about 15 asian customers, girl numbers about 25-30,mostly on stage doing shows, soon as we walked in and were seated a couple of girls wanted to join us, few drinks later, some snacks for us and the girls we were on tomour last and favourite bar.

Xs bar, have said this multiple times before, this bar is by far the most popular bar for the asians, why, because it has great shows, nice decor, very cold air con and the girls are a cut above the rest in angeles, no, no stunners but the girls are mostly tall, slim, dressed elegant, smelling good and above all happy and smiling, hard to know exactly how many girls tonight, maybe 40-50 odd girls, spent a couple of hours here, many drinks for us and the girls, delivery pizza for us and the girls, koreans handing out money like its going out of fashion, all in all although expensive night here we enjoyed it, one thing that sticks out is how many girls are able to speak korean, maybe not fluently but know the greetings and many more words, also suprising how many of these girls quote korean food as their no1 food choice to me.

In summing up, western bars very quiet for both girl numbers and punters, some bars not even 1 customer and only 3 or 4 old fatties on stage, its hard to see how most of these bars are keeping the staff paid and the lights on, many owners and girls complaining of how quiet it is, as normal, no money coming in then the owners are reluctant to make changes or enploy better looking gjrls which obviously cost much more, yes one can get laid here but don't expect anything young or slim.

Korean bars are doing ok, yes less customers but thise that are in like to spend large and treat the girls to many drinks, food and tips, obviously not a place for old westerners to get any girl attention, yes if one is with a group of asians then the girls will sit and have fun but actually leaving with a westerner is a definate no no, why, as discussed recently by many members once the koreans see a girl barfjne with a westerner she is toast, they will ignore such girls and not spend any money on them, koreans like korean only girls, it is what it is, there us definately a devide in angeles punters, westerners to get laid have to accept the low quality girls in the western bars, try to barfine from the korean bars will have one left very disappointed in truth.

[WestCoast1]

Re playing at home vs travelling: the cost differential is definitely closing. More so if all the airfares, hotels etc sunk costs are factored in. Also, it's now 20% more expensive to fly from my home town to MNL vs BKK.

Regarding airfare. I flight. Google'd this. One-way fares from MNL. LAX. Highest is about $1500 USD (August), and lowest is $450 USD (September).

WC.

[Goferring]

Messrs Trainwreck and Reacharound are busy engaging in commerce and getting rich in their respective home countries. They no longer have the time to write free fictional articles, for them only to be moderated to buggery. Besides, it's far cheaper to fuck hot girls in Rich White Man Land than it is to go over to pick up sluts from Tondo. Goodbye Philippines.

I'd agree on the moderation. Its not unusual for an informative post to suddenly appear, buried well down the list because it was invisible for a couple of days while being checked over.

Once in the list, sinners seem to be on the moderation list forever, even after mending their ways. I'm not aware of anyone returning to unmoderated after X months of good behaviour.

Re playing at home vs travelling: the cost differential is definitely closing. More so if all the airfares, hotels etc sunk costs are factored in. Also, it's now 20% more expensive to fly from my home town to MNL vs BKK.

Cheers. G.

[Dg8787]

Every posts that challenges or offers a different view to NapaSlapper he pulls and hides it in Stupid Shit in Philippines forum so few will see it.

It doesn't change what others have posted that are contrary to NS posts.

[Aml3740]

Even though the Philippines has a lot of exposure to western culture and values, it is still a very different place. Elders are respected and teenagers and young adults are expected to help their families. For young attractive women, landing a foreign BF can be gold. They want to help their families. While we see everybody and their brother with a hand out (which isn't entirely untrue), the girls are happy they can help them and take some pride in that. I've never been to Angeles, as bars are not my scene, but I have met several girls in Manila and the province. The ones who talk honestly have told me this is why they are working, whether it is as an escort or freelancer on a dating website. It is support their family, and usually at least one kid of their own staying with their family.

My first few trips to the Philippines, I just used escort agencies since I was staying in Manila before going to the province. My last trip, I used Pinalove and set up with a girl on there. She was a freelancer, and they're not hard to find. I had others that wanted to meet, but flaked out. It just takes a little work. If I drank, maybe I would give Angeles a try someday just for the experience hehehe.

[Breadman]

Man are the streets here in Angeles empty during rainy season, you stop into a bar filled with 40 very attractive ladies and there are 6 older guys spattered around the bar. Bar hoping sure is interesting in a downpour. Power going out here and there making walking into the depth of 'hell' even more of an adventure. There are very few tourists here now, even the Koreans know to avoid typhoon season I guess. More and more girls are getting desperate it seems with lack of customers. Another bar got shut down the other day "cosplay". Not sure why. Before the rain came I'd stop in there and smell sewage. So maybe the Koreans who were running the place didn't want to pay someone to fix the problem and got shut down? Just guessing. A buddy of mine just bought airfare from the USA to Thailand for late October, yes a bit late so he had to pay up at $1,800 usd but even in February the prices are just outrageous. Higher prices for shorter legs, bigger layovers getting a smaller rate. Makes me wonder how many guys are going to pass on the Philippines if they can only visit one location?

[Dg8787]

I was there 3 nights last week.

Still 2 tier barfine pricing. 3500 for one group. 4000 for the other "spotlight" girls. Confirmed with the waitress, momma San and more IMPORTANTLY with the girl I barfined for 3500. Can't really tell the difference with the 3500 girls from the spotlight ones. Quality about the same. Mostly 7-8's. Lollipop was pretty crowded all 3 nights I was there.

There was a 4th night. I had just barfined 2 girls at 4 k each from a Korean bar and per their request to see another bar I took them to Lollipop. It was around 8 pm. We walked thru Lollipop but it was so crowded and all the seats we taken except for a few bar stools. No Koreans were in sight. Runway was full of 7-8's. We immediately left for my hotel.

[Engine Driver]

I haven't blocked anyone as I enjoy a good sideshow comedy. We had Messrs Trainwreck and Reach Around for a while too but they seem to have gone quiet. It's good to see new players step up to the plate and entertain us.

Enjoy. G.

Messrs Trainwreck and Reacharound are busy engaging in commerce and getting rich in their respective home countries. They no longer have the time to write free fictional articles, for them only to be moderated to buggery. Besides, it's far cheaper to fuck hot girls in Rich White Man Land than it is to go over to pick up sluts from Tondo. Goodbye Philippines.

[NapaSlapper]

He clearly stated he has not barfined a girl.

Also 70% of Pinays pussy smells.

Also 100% of Pinays have loose pussies.

Reminds me of Pinocchio and Tinkerbell.

Clearly 100% SAM (Save A Monger) mission.

Never barfined a girl?? Please read what I actually say before rushing to your own version might help.

Over an almost 30 year stay in angeles for me and some others good friends I think its fair to say that we have barfined hundreds if not thousands of bargirls over the years, read my many reports of closing down bars between 3 or 4 of us and being alone with 30-40 naked pinays, what did you think we did this for, maybe to play monopoly or scrabble? No to enjoy the multiple young fresh pinays on offer.

Yes many that are here full time and have experienced what angeles had to offer before are not able to find girls of that quality in the new angeles city as of now and on the very rare occasions me and my any drinking buddies do see an ok looking girl she is unfortunately always working in a korean oriented bar and has koreans throwing large money at her all without her showing the colour of her panties to anyone, why because she earns far more than most foreigners for drinks only.

Yes some come to angeles and only want to put more notches on a bed post and don't care of the girls age, weight looks, personal hygiene etc, as long as she is cheap and will bang without a condom they are good to go, unfortunately not the style of many of us that live here, why, because we are not 2 day desperados that just flew in from loveless countries but have the time to choose wisely mostly from young atractive, slim girls that have nothing to do with the type of girls found in the bars of angeles.

As far as 100% loose pinay pussies,70% pinays that have stinky pussies, rather than making up your own version of what I post please show me and the board members where I actually stated such, exactly, you can't,just more wasted band width and baseless accusations comes to mind.

Anyways lollipop bar just last night had all girls in white coloured t backs (thongs) and white tops totally debunking your previous claims of 2 colour bikinis to show the girls different ewr prices.

Bar hop report of last nights barhop to follow in the next few days to let the good members of this board know what is the latest from giys that are actually here, maybe time to add me to your ignore list in order to save your blood pressure rising to too dangerous levels.