Angeles City

[Turgid]

Not rue. Plenty of ugly girls in Korean bars. And plenty of hot girls in Western bars........

One should keep in mind that the tastes of both nationalities may not be the same. It may actually be a win win situation for both.

[Dg8787]

Went to Angeles once in 2020. Won't go back. The majority of girls were between 6 to 8. Some of the perimeter bars I walked in and then straight out of.

My opinion: cheap sex with substandard girls.

NI.

4 year old information is of no value in 2024.

AC was only open in January and February as the lock down went into effect.

I have noticed the higher barfines now have produced a better crop of ladies.

2024.

[A Traveler]

Today I attempted to investigate the Perimeter bars. I only made it to three, so it was a abject failure. Or maybe it was a resounding success. You be the judge.

First bar on the strip was Night Moves, which I visited in the blazing daytime of 2:30 pm. It consists of "expats" (older gentlemen of European descent), hanging out eating and drinking. There is a stage with a half dozen 30+ girls, some maybe sort of cute if you're not too picky. But even if there was a smoking hot 18 year old, I would hesitate to call her down, because there's more of a neighborhood bar vibe than a go go vibe, and I would be self conscious of being the only one groping a girl.

Next up was XXX. So last year I visited this bar. In 2023 AC was a different place, basically the place NonSense is still describing, with not many girls back to work. At that time there was a sort of cute 20 year old I bought a drink for and was getting on well with. But I was desperate for a three way. Pickings were slim, but the waitress, who was 35, overweight, and had two kids had a face that I thought was cute. So a barfined them both for a weird three way where the 20 year old laid there and played with her phone while the fat waitress rode me with a condom. Then the waitress left and I could BBFS the 20 year old.

This year the 20 year old cutie was long gone. But of course the waitress, who is even fatter now, recognized me and was all over me, so I had to buy her a drink. It's like night and day now compared to last year, and the stage was full of a dozen pretties, including a 25 year old beauty from Mindanao. She was charming and eager to go, but she had two kids, wore a body suite presumably covering baby damage, and I would not even consider talking to the fat waitress this year, but now I was stuck with her. So I billed out and moved on.

Candy Bar was my last stop. As soon as I walked in there was a pretty waitress, and she came and sat with me. She said she was 21, but I think she was a little older, and she was eager to go. I paid her bargain 2,500 PHP barfine at 4 pm and took her straight home for some straight to the point BBFSCIP. I've been doing long times with the 5,000 PHP top tier dancers, but having to hang out with them can get kind of tiring if you don't really click with them. I usually just watch some Netflix with them and go to sleep. So it was kind of refreshing to have a short time for a change. Tomorrow she will come straight to my room, and she says in the future she can bring a friend. Will I make it to the rest of the Perimeter bars?

After she left I was free to go to Lollipop on Walking Street to continue my search for the missing sexy dancer. She still wasn't there. But there were three super sexy beauties, one was an absolute stunner. All three would be considered upgrades to the girl I'm looking for, but she had really clicked with me, so I'll keep looking.

[A Traveler]

Your posts should be followed with a 'Fake news' warning.

I was recently in Angeles and the place was hopping. The bars were busy with lots of customers, there were lots of girls and plenty of pretty ones. Some bars were so busy with customers I struggled to get a seat. The stage was so packed with girls at Viking, they had a line of girls dancing in front of the stage too. You make the place out to be a ghost-town but the truth is quite different.

You also have an obsession with Koreans. You try to put people off by implying westerners don't have a chance. I'm a white British guy in my late forties and on my trip I fucked the best looking black-tape dancer in Avalon (one of your beloved Korean bars) and an extremely hot Japanese-looking girl in Genesis, who three sour-faced Koreans tried to barfine under my nose. They literally asked a waitress to invite her over to join them despite the fact I'd bought her a drink. She told me this had happened as we walked down Fields Avenue back to my hotel, telling me she hates the arrogance of customers like that.

Angeles is a candy-shop, full of willing young, pretty girls, willing to spread their legs for cash. Anyone visiting, whether Western, Korean or Martian, will have the time of their life.

This is all true. Do not believe NonSense. AC in 2024 is packed with sexy, willing girls. But you have to pay to play.

[NewImage]

Your posts should be followed with a 'Fake news' warning.
The bars were busy with lots of customers, there were lots of girls and plenty of pretty ones
Angeles is a candy-shop, full of willing young, pretty girls, willing to spread their legs for cash. Anyone visiting, whether Western, Korean or Martian, will have the time of their life.

Went to Angeles once in 2020. Won't go back. The majority of girls were between 6 to 8. Some of the perimeter bars I walked in and then straight out of.

My opinion: cheap sex with substandard girls.

NI.

[Sir Lancelot]

what's left in angeles is of mainly low standard, yes a very few girls are ok looking and slim working in the korean top bars, unfortunately due to very low numbers the ok looking girls are in extreme demand for drinks only and mostly don't fuck with anyone.

In summing up, western bars very quiet indeed, many bars with 2 or 3 girls only and no customers, many girls looking bored, many bar owners not happy at all

Your posts should be followed with a 'Fake news' warning.

I was recently in Angeles and the place was hopping. The bars were busy with lots of customers, there were lots of girls and plenty of pretty ones. Some bars were so busy with customers I struggled to get a seat. The stage was so packed with girls at Viking, they had a line of girls dancing in front of the stage too. You make the place out to be a ghost-town but the truth is quite different.

You also have an obsession with Koreans. You try to put people off by implying westerners don't have a chance. I'm a white British guy in my late forties and on my trip I fucked the best looking black-tape dancer in Avalon (one of your beloved Korean bars) and an extremely hot Japanese-looking girl in Genesis, who three sour-faced Koreans tried to barfine under my nose. They literally asked a waitress to invite her over to join them despite the fact I'd bought her a drink. She told me this had happened as we walked down Fields Avenue back to my hotel, telling me she hates the arrogance of customers like that.

Angeles is a candy-shop, full of willing young, pretty girls, willing to spread their legs for cash. Anyone visiting, whether Western, Korean or Martian, will have the time of their life.

[WestCoast1]

Not rue. Plenty of ugly girls in Korean bars. And plenty of hot girls in Western bars. All the bars are basically the same, with Filipino girls from 20 to 30+, some ugly and some pretty. The difference between the K bars and Western bars is that at the former girls are dolled up in dresses, will not make eye contact, and may be sitting on stage using there phones. But these are full service boom boom providers, so if you see one you like, just tell a waitress to call her down. She most likely will provide BBFSCIP and stay overnight.

In the Western bars the girls are still 20 to 30+ Filipinos, some ugly and some pretty. But they will be dressed in bikinis or miniskirts and crop tops, and may make eye contact and flirt.

Thanks the more current update. My views were from 3 and 6 months ago. Things change, especially in regard to looks. I found that in general, there were fewer chubs in the K bars than the Wolfpack bars. In addition, at least one mama in a K bar assured me that she could find a barfine girl to suit my tastes and do what was requested. Tallyho.

However, my comments about K's getting what they want with large spending is, generally, true.

[A Traveler]

I Caveat #2: Girls are in general prettier in the K bars. However the hotties are often taken right at the bar's opening bell. While the K bars have prettier girls, you can find pretty girls in any of the other bars NS or other's have mentioned.

Not rue. Plenty of ugly girls in Korean bars. And plenty of hot girls in Western bars. All the bars are basically the same, with Filipino girls from 20 to 30+, some ugly and some pretty. The difference between the K bars and Western bars is that at the former girls are dolled up in dresses, will not make eye contact, and may be sitting on stage using there phones. But these are full service boom boom providers, so if you see one you like, just tell a waitress to call her down. She most likely will provide BBFSCIP and stay overnight.

In the Western bars the girls are still 20 to 30+ Filipinos, some ugly and some pretty. But they will be dressed in bikinis or miniskirts and crop tops, and may make eye contact and flirt.

[A Traveler]

When you say Koreans are spending good money how much are you talking about being spent while in the bar for lady drinks and tipping girls directly (ie. Not including for the girl to go out). Would like an idea if I can compete for the girls.

Are your Western friends not getting attention in Korean bars solely because they aren't Asian or because they aren't willing to spend as much or more than the Koreans on the girls in a bar?

Thanks for the great update.

This information is not correct. Lollipop was hoping last night. Gecko's has been pretty hopping too. Same with Shooters. The bars are packed with pretty girls. You can pay 350 to buy one you like a drink, which is expensive, but will get you 15 minutes to see if there's any chemistry. If there is you can ask her to barfine, which will, cost 4 k to 5 k, which is expensive, but for the most part girls have been staying overnight.

So despite the high costs, AC is in full swing. I haven't had any problems pulling new girls. My biggest problem is girls not wanting to repeat with me, or disappearing. I'm getting kind of tired of pulling sexy young new girls for a one off. The 30 year old beauty at Lollipop who acted like she liked me and repeated with me twice disappeared without a trace. I imagine some guy paid her barfine for a week and took her to Palawan. Or maybe he's paying her salary to be his life in girlfriend. She was a really sweet girl.

[Goferring]

When you say Koreans are spending good money how much are you talking about being spent while in the bar for lady drinks and tipping girls directly (ie. Not including for the girl to go out). Would like an idea if I can compete for the girls.

Are your Western friends not getting attention in Korean bars solely because they aren't Asian or because they aren't willing to spend as much or more than the Koreans on the girls in a bar?

Thanks for the great update.

A wrap of 1000 p notes is about $2000 and it's not uncommon to see a couple of these stuffed in a fanny pack. That may not be spent in one night but it doesn't last the whole trip either.

I'd agree with WC1 that, while some whities may spend the same amount, it tends to be much more payment for services rather than meaningless tips etc. Our K-boi might make it rain while Chad will be buying trays of drinks to ensure free flowing blowjobs, groping etc or a group of guys might buy out a bar and close the doors for a special occasion. Same ultimate cost but different outcomes.

Of course, there are always going to be the hot girls who magically appear while the drinks are flowing but quickly disappear when it's time for the quid pro quo.

Cheers. G.

[Banana Boi]

BB we have been having this discussion for a year now, and your questions suggests a lack of RTTF. Others weigh in.

Not denying this. I don't follow the PI threads closely. Last time I read these threads were before I went on my 2 month stroll through SEA in January. That's when you replied to me before. This is now me trying to decide if PI should be on my TDL for my next 2 month trips starting in June and again in October. It's really difficult to take any time away from Jakarta these days where Koreans and Japanese can't win there since girls don't get money for LD's.

I always appreciate your detailed answers a lot but if you feel I'm one who doesn't RTFF closely (which I don't) then I don't want you to waste your time replying to my questions. I will refrain from asking unnecessary questions in the PI threads.

Unless competing is what you're into.

The answer to this is Yes, I love competing against guys who think they're hot shots. Do this all the time against the Koreans and Japanese in gogo bars in Pattaya. Money can flow from me too but I have never thrown 1000 USD in the air for girls to catch. Closest to that I've done is sit with gogo girls and fold bills into paper airplanes and aim them at butt cracks of the girl's on stage. They go crazy when my paper airplanes are purple or brown in color.

[Turgid]

Have to fully agree that covid was the final nail in the angeles coffin and it is now sure just a shadow of its former self, one would have to go back 15,20,25 years to say angeles was a real fun place to visit, where whitey was not second class, all girls barfined, all girls stayed long time with any nationality, absolutely not so now unfortunately.....

Even when I used to visit Angeles City 20 odd years ago there were girls who used to ignore me especially in upscale bars like Blue Nile but there were so many other girls (100's) of equal or superior beauty to them that it did not matter. Ah! The good old days.

[WestCoast1]

When you say Koreans are spending good money how much are you talking about being spent while in the bar for lady drinks and tipping girls directly (ie. Not including for the girl to go out).

I don't know that there's a good answer to this. Its not just that the K's spend more (and get less). They do more outrageous things in the bars, like literally throwing money about the place (make it rain). If your idea of competing is to throw 30-40-50 p1000 notes in a single fistful (that's $1000 USD), then get after it. They also tip often on an outrageous scale. He buys a girl 1 drink (say, p250), then tips her p1000 as he sends her back to the stage and calls down another girl. Or he barfines her for the evening (p5000), takes her out dancing / eating, and sends her home or back to the bar without a f*ck, with a p5000 or 10 k tip.

They skip the bar scene completely sometimes, sending just one of them to a bar to barfine 5-10 girls at a time, sending vans to pick them up in groups (you will see the vans roll up in the evening just in front of Envy resto, and from up on WS 10-ish hotties come out of this or that bar and pile into the van and disappear for the night). They are in for big tips tonight.

Caveat #1: Not all Koreans behave like this*.

Caveat #2: Girls are in general prettier in the K bars. However the hotties are often taken right at the bar's opening bell. While the K bars have prettier girls, you can find pretty girls in any of the other bars NS or other's have mentioned.

Would like an idea if I can compete for the girls.

I don't think you need to compete. Stay out of the K bars, and dwell in the western bars that NS mentioned. There are enough pretty girls in any of them to find a winner, and they are more likely to be happy to go with you after just one drink. Chat with a mama to help you find what you want.

Are your Western friends not getting attention in Korean bars solely because they aren't Asian or because they aren't willing to spend as much or more than the Koreans on the girls in a bar?

Both.

* While I've seen this kind of overkill from K's in bars, I have also been in bars where the Korean gents were lone wolves, sitting around chain smoking, buying only drinks for themselves, staring at their phone, while none of them is doing the outrageous stuff of throwing money or spending big (whales) on LD.

The uptick in Korean whales in AC has led to: Increased prices, and more girlie entitlement (you will now come across more drink-only girls in the bars, who will not necessarily identify themselves until they deny your barfine request).

BB we have been having this discussion for a year now, and your questions suggests a lack of RTTF. Others weigh in.

[Banana Boi]

In summing up, western bars very quiet indeed, many bars with 2 or 3 girls only and no customers, many girls looking bored, many bar owners not happy at all, its catch 22,very few customers means no money to employ the slightly better looking girls, no good looking girls means many punters won't stay for a drink, it is what it is unfortunately.

Korean bars doing quite well, yes less girls than last year but many bars very busy with asian customers buying lady drinks, making it rain peso and mostly spending good money in the bars,

When you say Koreans are spending good money how much are you talking about being spent while in the bar for lady drinks and tipping girls directly (ie. Not including for the girl to go out). Would like an idea if I can compete for the girls.

Are your Western friends not getting attention in Korean bars solely because they aren't Asian or because they aren't willing to spend as much or more than the Koreans on the girls in a bar?

Thanks for the great update.

[NapaSlapper]

It seems that most bar hops over the last few weeks have been split barhop, first with western friends in the few western orientated bars of walking street and then on to meet korean friends and hit the many korean orientated bars of walking street.

The reason of two separate barhops in two different types of bars is because koreans do not like the look of the girls in the western bars and my western friends refuse to go to the korean bars because the better looking girls there are cold to them and mostly won't sit for drinks with them as they only have eyes for the many asian guys.

Korean oriented bars.

Q bar, this is a nice bar, very polite wait staff, friendly manager, some nights many girls, some nights not so many, always at least one or two girls that are ok looking but can be fussy who they give attention too.

XS bar, have said this multiple times before, this bar is by far the most popular bar for the asians, why, because it has great shows, nice decor and the girls are a cut above the rest of the girls in angeles, the girl numbers are well down than last year but still the best bar in town due to a much higher chance of seeing tall, slim, attractive younger girls.

Avalon bar, can be very hit and miss, its always busy with asian customers and a few girls that are ok looking, many asian friends like this bar as the girls are mostly warm, welcoming and friendly, worth a drink or two.

Western oriented bars.

Lollipop bar, a handful of expats on most visits,10 or 12 girls, although girls are friendly and playful and many are willing to barfine in truth never see any girls even worth buying a lady drink for.

Geckos bar, again very quiet for girls numbers and punters, mostly expats, girls tend to look very bored, many with arms crossed or sitting playing on their phones, many moons ago this bar was jumping and wall to wall girls, alas those days are long gone for this bar.

Vikings bar, now this is a nice size bar, the owners and mummies make sure to make one welcome, girls mostly in bikinis, 15-20 odd girls is the norm, some playing on their phones, some smiling and some not looking happy at all, there is a waitress called jonalyn that works here, back in the day she was one of angeles super stars, worked in atlantis bar as a cultural dancer, great lay in her day, if anyone likes late 30's ladies but still with a nice face a few extra pounds but not too fat she might just be worth buying a lady drink for and see if its possible to barfine her, all in all a bar worth a visit for at least 1 beer.

Masquarade bar, owls nest bar, champagne bar, popped our heads in on a few occasions but never stay for a drink due to very low numbers of girls and no lookers.

In summing up, western bars very quiet indeed, many bars with 2 or 3 girls only and no customers, many girls looking bored, many bar owners not happy at all, its catch 22,very few customers means no money to employ the slightly better looking girls, no good looking girls means many punters won't stay for a drink, it is what it is unfortunately.

Korean bars doing quite well, yes less girls than last year but many bars very busy with asian customers buying lady drinks, making it rain peso and mostly spending good money in the bars, Not only are the korean bars busy but I'm told that the Korean only van delivery service of girls is going from strength to strength.