Angeles City

[Dg8787]

Well then looks like the prices have doubled since the last time I went there.

When was the last time you were there?

[Transporter]

Thank you for confirming that you really don't know what the heck you are spouting. Lollipop has 2 tier pricing. I got my colors mixed up. Red is 3. 5 k. Black is 4 k. 2 weeks ago

Well then looks like the prices have doubled since the last time I went there.

[Mr Enternational]

I BF 2 reds at 3. 5 k each together. Paid 7 blue notes. Both were friends to each other. One went home after st. The second one stayed LT. She enjoyed sex. Btw, it was around 10pm when per you, she could have gone back to earn another st.

No. According to him the girl that left had a cue of high spending Asian customers waiting and the girl that stayed with you had no other offers.

[NapaSlapper]

As a follow on from my very well received post on 28.2. 23 titled never visited which gave a Guide for those that have never visited Angeles but have thought of visiting but not sure what to expect well here is the follow up with a few more thoughts.

How much is an Angeles bar fines and how they work.

Well in theory the full amount of barfine is paid to the bar before leaving the bar with the girl, bar fines should of course include fucking the girl, unfortunately bar fines in todays Angeles world are called early work release, yes you got it, one pays the full amount usually 4,000 pesos for the less quality girls and 5,000 pesos for better slimmer girls but its for exactly what it says on the tin early work release is paying for a girls time away from the bar and at no time is implied by the bar that sex is on offer due to the very strict human traffic laws covering prostitution, that said most girls accept that some sex will take place, but runners are rife in Angeles, so no complaints or money back from the bar if said girl has her clothes back on in record time or does not perform what was previously agreed the girl would perform back in the bar, basically one pays his money and takes his chances absolutely no refunds given by the bar even if no sex took place, not a fan of the pay all money before sex in todays Angeles as too many things to possibly go wrong with no redress, the pay after of Manilla, Thailand and most other mongering destinations is far safer for the punters pockets and enjoyment IMHO.

Girl cost per session including travel and hotels.

Some would have us believe that most Angeles girls are approx 100 usd per session and yes they generally are, but of course only for those of us that are already in Angeles, for the guys that have to put up with the ever rising cost of international air travel and hotel stays then those 100 usd Angeles girls turn into 400 or 500 usd Angeles girls per session especially for those flying in from the USA, England or Europe, being honest I struggle to find Angeles bargirls that are worth the 100 usd each let alone girls that would be costing hundreds of usd each.

Some will claim that yes Napa girl costs have gone up but so has the cost of bread and eggs and petrol, what these guys forget is that while Angeles girl costs have risen 100% and more over the very recent past, the cost of bread, eggs, petrol has risen much more slowly and of course offer the same product and quality as they always did, something that cannot be said for Angeles bar girls of today.

Angeles hotels and costs.

In general I find that the 100 -150 usd a night hotels' to be of adequate quality and positioning, yes its possible to find cheaper hotels but the quality generally is lacking, anything under 50 usd per night I would not consider at all for a stay, so one can get an idea of quality and cost then generally Angeles hotels are normally double the price of a similar hotel in Pattaya, Bangkok, Phnom penh or Saigon.

Drinks only girls.

As I and many others have reported drinks only girls are alive and well in most Angeles bars, what does not help is that these girls are mainly the better looking, slim, younger girls, exactly because the better looking girls get massive attention and many drinks bought that they can earn the big peso from lady drinks commissions without barfining at all, its all part and parcel of doing business in Angeles bars.

Many Angeles girls play the game, tell the punter all that he wants to hear, hit punter for as many lady drinks as possible and then when its time to leave remember that its the wrong time of the month or one of many other excuses, no need to feel bad, its just how it is.

Morale of the story, the best looking girls want money without fucking, like it or leave it. When the powers that be (bar owners) grow a pair and put a stop to all this deceit then ill be a much happier punter.

Welcome in Korean bars.

As a westerner I have always been welcomed in all Korean bars, once your face is known to the Korean owners / managers they will always offer a warm handshake and a 1st welcome drink on the house, so don't worry too much about being welcomed.

The Korean bars tend to be much larger, much better decorated with professional dance teams, they employ multiple girl, mostly slim, taller, lighter skin and fairly attractive, the best girls by far work in the Korean orientated bars so don't worry about popping in for a drink or 2, nice professional shows in most of these bars too.

Normal girls.

The problem with good girls that work in banks, insurance company or any other decent job is that she is very unlikely to be seen having coffee or anything else with a foreigner old enough to be her father / grandfather.

Most of these girls come from middle class families, families who sent their daughters to college / university at great expense for the sole reason of their daughters not having to be seen out with old mongers.

In my company there are all female employees, only the security staff are males, not one single girl is married / engaged / dating a foreigner, I attend all the birthdays, engagements, christenings, weddings etc 100% have pinoys of their own age and standing as partners.

Talk of foreigners walking into a bank and getting a date with the young cutie who works there is pure wishful thinking at best IMHO.

Stunners and choice of girls.

I keep hearing the word stunner used in many posts in truth I haven't seen anything like a stunner working in an Angeles bar for multiple years.

Are there okay looking slim girls working in Angeles bars yes a few, do these girls go out on bar fines, yes some do and some don't, do some of the better looking girls have nationalities that they will only go barfine with yes they do.

As far as when is the best time to visit a bar to see the better looking girls then there is no set time, some work early shift some late shift some work one week early and one week late.

Online girls in Angeles.

Many guys don't like the bars and the bar prices and all the shit that goes with bars and turn to online dating.

I have indeed had good success from paid online dating sites but this was with non pros, takes a long time to talk the girl into meeting up and many dates before one gets into her panties but time well spent IMHO but of course one has to have long periods in the Phills to be able to pull this off.

As far as the apps that are geared to freelance prostitutes visiting a punters hotel I have had very mixed experiences, most girls were not as their photos, even taking text to video call was not much better, many girls turned out to be 10 years older,20 kg heavier, obviously sent them away but many hours of text, skype call and waiting at the hotel wasted for nothing.

Angeles girls and bars of the past.

There is no doubt that the Angeles girls of multiple years ago were a different breed with a totally different mind set.

Multiple years ago mongering was easy in Angeles, walk into any bar and they were full to the brim with girls, even the small out of the way bars on perimeter Road, 90% of the girls were 18-20 years, slim and most definitely worth fucking, what's more important was that 100% of the girls would barfine and barfine long time, never had a dud girl back then and even if one did it was just a case of returning her to the bar for a full refund, good time was guaranteed by the bar, definitely not so now days.

Big numbers of Koreans and Asians in the bars.

As I and many have been reporting the Korean and Asian guys in bars are getting to very large numbers, they out number the mainly much older western punters by multiple times, the Asians mainly come for just a few short days mainly on golfing trips, business trips, language trips but some like to bar hop too, they tend to have multiple girls sitting in the bar with them, buying multiple lady drinks, buying food and snacks for the girls, throwing money notes at the girls on stage (called making it rain money) many competing for face with their Asian drinking buddies by showing who can spend the most money in the shortest of time.

Westerners taking exception to the Asians way of bar hopping.

Its true to say that Western guys mainly take exception to this because they have now been out gunned by the much younger, high spending Koreans who are by far the top dogs when it comes to getting quality girls attention.

I see this on every barhop I have in Angeles, I go on barhop with many Koreans and the girl attention is unreal, the bar girls literally mob the Asians with attention, go to the same bars with a group of westerners and those same girls don't pay any attention at all some refusing to even acknowledge western customers to the bar let alone sit and drink with a westerner, it is what it is unfortunately.

Girls claiming to westerners she does not like Asians.

For the guys that claim but my girl told me she does not like Koreans then my advice would be don't believe a word that comes out of a bar girls mouth especially a pinay bar girl, most of it is BS, girls tell punters what they want to hear, tell a girl one is American and all of a sudden she claims to loves Americans, tell a bargirl one is Indian or African or English and she automatically loves the nationality one is, its called making money, its after all what they do for a living.

Thanks to those that took the time to read this long post, I hope it helps with some of the noobies questions they might have.

[Dg8787]

Have been in lollipop bar several times over the last few weeks as per my previous bar reports on such, so in the interest of keeping the board to correct info have to disagree that lollipop bar has separate groups of girls in black bikinis and red bikinis and further there is definately not a tiered bar fine system, all girls are the one price of 4,000 pesos.

As far as your comments on long time girls or short time girls in a recent post I think you will find that the type of girls that have choices and a que of high spending asian customers waiting for her services will insist on only short time, after all most girls choose to be pros to earn as big money as possible and of course many short times per day at 5,000 pesos per hour is much more profitable than 1 long time over many hours for the same money.

Have always found that the only type of angeles girls that are willing to settle for just the one long time payment are the type of girls with no other choices or other offers.

Thank you for confirming that you really don't know what the heck you are spouting. Lollipop has 2 tier pricing. I got my colors mixed up. Red is 3. 5 k. Black is 4 k. 2 weeks ago I BF 2 reds at 3. 5 k each together. Paid 7 blue notes. Both were friends to each other. One went home after st. The second one stayed LT. She enjoyed sex. Btw, it was around 10pm when per you, she could have gone back to earn another st.

I dont see your math working out at 5k per hour for the girl. You have no clue as to what the girls gets.

In case you want ease out of it by saying "that was 2 weeks ago" I just confirm by text with a lollipop Black that the 2 tier pricing is still in effect. She informed me I had the colors wrong.

Boys, I learned long ago to always rely on your info from doers and not from your academic lookee loo book learners.

Persona non grata, once again leave it to the big boys that are actually doing the fucking.

[NapaSlapper]

Lollipop has 2 rates.

Black bikinis are 3500.

Red bikinis are 4000.

Have been in lollipop bar several times over the last few weeks as per my previous bar reports on such, so in the interest of keeping the board to correct info have to disagree that lollipop bar has separate groups of girls in black bikinis and red bikinis and further there is definately not a tiered bar fine system, all girls are the one price of 4,000 pesos.

As far as your comments on long time girls or short time girls in a recent post I think you will find that the type of girls that have choices and a que of high spending asian customers waiting for her services will insist on only short time, after all most girls choose to be pros to earn as big money as possible and of course many short times per day at 5,000 pesos per hour is much more profitable than 1 long time over many hours for the same money.

Have always found that the only type of angeles girls that are willing to settle for just the one long time payment are the type of girls with no other choices or other offers.

[NapaSlapper]

As fully expected over the Easter period the bars of Angeles city have been very quiet for girls.

Those girls that have the looks, body, youth to earn good money during the year left for their home provinces some days ago, from many bar owner friend they don't expect the girls back for a couple of weeks.

Always best to avoid Easter and Christmas periods in Angeles is my honest advice as the town and bars gets very quiet and girls return home to see family.

Should be all back to normal in the next couple of weeks.

[Mahaba]

I am a newbie. One trip to PI, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but it is recent.

I was with one girl (on my second day) 19 years old from Mindanao (all my hot teenie boppers were from Mindanao, not by plan). No kids, wants to be a nurse, trying to save money. We agreed to BBFS in the bar, and she didn't try to reneg, but in the room she was very concerned that I not come inside her because it would "kill" her father (and her dreams) if she became pregnant. I asked if she was on some sort of birth control. She said yes, but not the pill (she thinks the pill would make her infertile. Sounded like it was something like anIUD but not sure). Meanwhile, her Poppa was texting her every 15 minutes. She claimed that he has no idea what she does, thinks she's a waitress. She kept apologizing for responding (it was Papa as she showed me the messages, not that I read Tagalog or Visaya, but somehow it was clear). But in the final message he said that it was very hot (believable) and he needed 4500 pesos for an air conditioner her aunt had found. How the fuck would a waitress be able to send 4500 pesos? (to be clear, she wasn't asking me for it).

The girl I spent a week with, also 19 from Mindanao, wasn't so pure. She had a one year old child at home. It seemed pretty clear that her entire family knew what she was doing and she didn't care. Both her eldest brother and one of her sisters had followed her to AC for work. The first day we were traveling she put me on video chat with her entire family (including her father who is younger than I am) and I know she told at least some family members exactly what I paid in bar fine to take her with me. They had to know there were expectations beyond companionship, but she also told them I was her boyfriend (true for the week).

So, to me it seems that they're all slightly different and you don't really know whether they're sharing details with their family or not. One piece of good advice I got was, if you want LT and the girl has a child, ask where the child is. If it's in AC or nearby, LT will always be a problem. But if the child's in a distant province it's no problem.

Just my 2 cents.

My opinion. Young girls have "young girl problems" that include varying levels of drama. I prefer a more "seasoned" PI companion with experience and reasonable expectations.

[Goferring]

I am a newbie. One trip to PI, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but it is recent.

One piece of good advice I got was, if you want LT and the girl has a child, ask where the child is. If it's in AC or nearby, LT will always be a problem. But if the child's in a distant province it's no problem.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks. All of your comments are very common and 100% believable. The only grey area is that Auntie's AC is likely Dad's gambling debts.

I'm not sure if you found out or not but BBFS-dontCIP is a common request and a promise that is wise to keep. I've seen girls get very angry after 'accidents' due to the reasons you mention and being trusted after the first session often opens the flood gates for the girls to say thanks on subsequent times.

Good call on connecting kids' location to ST runners.

Cheers. G.

[Errol Flynn]

I am a newbie. One trip to PI, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but it is recent.

I was with one girl (on my second day) 19 years old from Mindanao (all my hot teenie boppers were from Mindanao, not by plan). No kids, wants to be a nurse, trying to save money. We agreed to BBFS in the bar, and she didn't try to reneg, but in the room she was very concerned that I not come inside her because it would "kill" her father (and her dreams) if she became pregnant. I asked if she was on some sort of birth control. She said yes, but not the pill (she thinks the pill would make her infertile. Sounded like it was something like anIUD but not sure). Meanwhile, her Poppa was texting her every 15 minutes. She claimed that he has no idea what she does, thinks she's a waitress. She kept apologizing for responding (it was Papa as she showed me the messages, not that I read Tagalog or Visaya, but somehow it was clear). But in the final message he said that it was very hot (believable) and he needed 4500 pesos for an air conditioner her aunt had found. How the fuck would a waitress be able to send 4500 pesos? (to be clear, she wasn't asking me for it).

The girl I spent a week with, also 19 from Mindanao, wasn't so pure. She had a one year old child at home. It seemed pretty clear that her entire family knew what she was doing and she didn't care. Both her eldest brother and one of her sisters had followed her to AC for work. The first day we were traveling she put me on video chat with her entire family (including her father who is younger than I am) and I know she told at least some family members exactly what I paid in bar fine to take her with me. They had to know there were expectations beyond companionship, but she also told them I was her boyfriend (true for the week).

So, to me it seems that they're all slightly different and you don't really know whether they're sharing details with their family or not. One piece of good advice I got was, if you want LT and the girl has a child, ask where the child is. If it's in AC or nearby, LT will always be a problem. But if the child's in a distant province it's no problem.

Just my 2 cents.

[Goferring]

Yes, most poor parents know exactly what their daughter is doing at night.

Poor girls generally have poor moms. Many of those moms know exactly what is happening because they were doing precisely the same thing 20 years ago.

Enjoy. G.

[Engine Driver]

I have chatted with many girls who say daytime only. Once I had a girl from Taguig who used an excuse saying she is with her girlfriend staying the night and her phone lit up practically every 5 minutes till she shut it off at midnight. Some parents are reastrict believe it or not. Others bury their head in the sand not knowing what their little girl does. I have found if the parents are well off they tend to be strict. They cannot control the girl in daytime but certainly at nighttime. Curfews are common. But they do allow dating. Most girls I talked to lost their virginity when they were 14-16 with a neighbor boy who hangs around the house. If they get pregnant so be it. Parents may scold but all Philippine people live children and will take care of them irrespective of whose child it is. I have mat several pretty girls in the evening for a few hours. Very adamant about not staying the night even I told them many excuses they can use. They all said they could come early morning and hang around all day cutting classes. These girls are not worried about money.

But girls from poor families the parents usually only the mother knows very well. Mother is only looking for money and hoping foreigner will continue to be a cash source.

Yes, most poor parents know exactly what their daughter is doing at night. AC is full of girls from Samar or Leyte which are economically impoverished regions. Parents and family enjoy the monthly remittances these girls send home. Everyone knows what they earn is several times more than what a waitress or maid could earn. They just don't discuss it, but all are in on it.

I know an IG model based in AC. She runs very lucrative Alua and Fansly sites where she chats with mongers for a fee, gets them to subscribe and then sells them custom videos. She gets customers from IG, Twitter and Facebook and then directs them to her paid site. She makes about $5,000 a month working 7 hours a day on her phone. That's a huge salary for AC. She lives with her sister and white brother in law. Initially claiming that none of her family knew, she then revealed that they all know she is an online prostitute. With so much cash to burn, they are very supportive of her profession. Her mom is particularly happy and goes on spending sprees to AC from Davao every few months and then accompanies her daughter on content creation trips to various holiday resorts. They were dirt poor, so you could say the family is now addicted to the money and feeling very smug. I told the girl to buy a house, but there are too many family members with their hands out to grab the loot. Girl's only hope is to marry an American monger and leave.

[Sammon]

Bwahahaha. Mom knows exactly why Princess is coming home most nights with 3000 p in her purse. She just pretends otherwise. It's amazing how many girls in Angeles are the world's highest paid waitress, DH or nanny.

Plausible denial is alive and strong in Asia.

Enjoy. G.

PS. Perhaps not your girl, but many also need to get back to kids or husbands.

I'd agree that the whole ST/LT definitions can be hazy. It's the same with online or freelancers. Just go with the flow.

Cheers

I have chatted with many girls who say daytime only. Once I had a girl from Taguig who used an excuse saying she is with her girlfriend staying the night and her phone lit up practically every 5 minutes till she shut it off at midnight. Some parents are reastrict believe it or not. Others bury their head in the sand not knowing what their little girl does. I have found if the parents are well off they tend to be strict. They cannot control the girl in daytime but certainly at nighttime. Curfews are common. But they do allow dating. Most girls I talked to lost their virginity when they were 14-16 with a neighbor boy who hangs around the house. If they get pregnant so be it. Parents may scold but all Philippine people live children and will take care of them irrespective of whose child it is. I have mat several pretty girls in the evening for a few hours. Very adamant about not staying the night even I told them many excuses they can use. They all said they could come early morning and hang around all day cutting classes. These girls are not worried about money.

But girls from poor families the parents usually only the mother knows very well. Mother is only looking for money and hoping foreigner will continue to be a cash source.

[Gorrion]

Depends on the girls. Some will say st to be safe and then stay LT if they like or trust you.

I'd agree that the whole ST/LT definitions can be hazy. It's the same with online or freelancers. Just go with the flow.

Cheers

Thanks for your answers.

Normally at night, I like to do LT, while during the day I usually do one or two ST. Hopefully, the girls will like me and I can have long nighttime sessions. XD.

Regards.

[Dg8787]

Bwahahaha. Mom knows exactly why Princess is coming home most nights with 3000 p in her purse. She just pretends otherwise. It's amazing how many girls in Angeles are the world's highest paid waitress, DH or nanny.

Plausible denial is alive and strong in Asia.

Enjoy. G.

PS. Perhaps not your girl, but many also need to get back to kids or husbands.

I'd agree that the whole ST/LT definitions can be hazy. It's the same with online or freelancers. Just go with the flow.

Cheers

If momma knows, can she send me next year's graduating 19 yo?