Angeles City

[BrainDrain]

More in a few minutes, as I have other tales / questions.

Welcome to Philippines. I notice that no one else has replied to you. I'm going to take a shot and hope you take it the right way.

You need to get serious about your safety. It's only a mater of time with your current trusting habits that you are going to get setup in a bigger way.

Hopefully you have worked this out. Hopefully someone can set you straight before you get seriously ripped off or hurt.

BD.

[Mogwai]

Randmcnasty.

In that town you do not want to take from the streets, better the bar in case something happens and you can put the bar on the hot seat.

If you use common sense and you have some experience as a monger then there's nothing wrong with street meat.

But I agree the bars are safer in general.

[NTambay]

...In that town you do not want to take from the streets...

From a Pinoy guy to any traveler: No, no and NO to street food! Don't even think to dunk your food into the sauce jar.

There are actually food safety regulations on the books but as with anything else, enforcement is uneven or nonexistent. My tip is to avoid anything that has a soup (or "sabaw" Stick to grilled, fried or BBQ food. You can at least get fried chicken anytime of the day.

Even I can't put up with fried chicken and spaghetti in the morning for breakfast (damn Jollibee).

[Jp Slicky]

Randmcnasty.

In that town you do not want to take from the streets, better the bar in case something happens and you can put the bar on the hot seat.

[RandMcNasty]

Given that it was 3:30 am (or so) when I finally started walking around town and that I hadn't a hotel to check-in to, I wasn't sure exactly what I was going to do. But I wasn't going to bite on the first thing.

Leaving all of my things behind at the front desk except for 2000 cash and a copy of my passport, I set to walking. I didn't even know which direction the action was, and I kind of like it that way. I like exploring like this.

Still, it may not have been the best decision to go down an alley-way on my way towards the action. That's what I did. (Feel free to tell me how stupid that was. Though it didn't end badly at all).

First girl approaches me and I walk away easily. Next there are three girls sitting on the sidewalk and two pimp-type guys. 2 of the girls were actually pretty hot, and not all painted up (which I don't like. That's why I'm leaning against bar girls in general). He said that the ST rate was 500. And there was a ST room for 200.

That sounded too good to be true. I asked for IDs. The girls that I had my eye didn't have IDs, but one other one did (and he said she'd be more expensive because of the ID). Not totally my type, but I also didn't want to bite on the first thing I saw, so I kept walking unimpeded.

I've read about scams where they get you with a * girl, and I wasn't about to get into that mess. I have to admit though, I thought about going back. I mean, she looked 18. Yeah, tell that to the judge.

Later, I found Walking Street and went down up and down. Some girls were more forceful than others. One did catch my attention. Cute face, dirty talk. I was considering it. Then I said "I have to ask because I can't always tell. Are you a ladyboy?

Yup, LB. I think I could tell actually. On some level, I knew. I think all of the "girls" at that spot were LBs. But still, now I'm worried I'm going to make that mistake.

At any rate, I thanked her / him but no thanks and moved on.

I decided I wanted to burn the time with a legit massage. I just found a 24-hour place. The girl wasn't very attractive, so I had hoped it may be legit. The quality certainly was, and there was no teasing. However, at the end, she pushed the buttons and I caved (which I regret because I'm not a multi-pop guy necessarily). 400 for the massage and I tipped 200. She was pleased and wanted me back. Actually, it was great service, to be honest.

I'm going to check-in soon and then give my DIA and tagged contacts a shot. Or I may head to the mall to see what I can do there.

BTW, if there is anyone here in AC right now, I really wouldn't mind meeting if you don't mind showing me the ropes or just hanging a little with an American.

[RandMcNasty]

I'll be leaving some more detailed reports as they come. I think this post could be beneficial for people who like me RTFF as much as possible but still make dumb ass mistakes when unexpected things happen, or because I don't stand my ground quickly enough.

My connecting flight was late so I had to miss my shuttle to the new CP tower. I was told that there would be a possibility that my luggage would go missing for a day or so because of how tight the flights were. I landed in Manila and actually did get my luggage OK. But I had already emailed ahead of time to cancel the shuttle.

So, I just got a taxi from the airport. This was at about 1:30 am (and I'd been up for about 30 hours already, not counting the little bit of sleep on the plane). The taxi was quoted to be 4000 which I knew was a lot, but I was just happy I made it and had my luggage, so I paid the premium.

While entering the taxi, another Filipino told me something about a delay on the way out there that was unavoidable, and I missed the rest of what he said, being half delirious and also because I don't hear speech very well. Well, turns out he said that the express-way was closed until 6 am and we'd stop off at a place with girls.

We stopped at said place. "Liberty" I think it was called. The door opened and I was beckoned out, and to leave my stuff in the car. My internal alarms of course were going off like crazy, but I still followed him up. I don't know why, but I did.

Then the guy asked me if I wanted a drink. I thought I'd stay and look at the ladies. My driver was there. I got the cheapest beer on the menu (110) and he also asked me if I wanted to get my driver something.

I'm goddamn embarrassed I didn't get up and leave at any of these points. I bought a beer, and my driver a coke (which was LOL 250).

So, the first lady drink I bought was a coke for my taxi driver!

Then I started finally quizzing my driver about the expressway. Yeah, it's not closed.

Check, please.

With the check came a 1500 peso entrance fee. Fuck that. I finally put my foot down, said I wasn't paying it, and I told my driver that if I had to pay it, I'd be deducting it from his payment, or else just going back to the airport.

With that, I left. Yet another noob lesson learned.

I didn't get to AC until about 3:30 am I think. I just walked around and refused to buy anything from anyone, also given that I decided not to check in until the morning, so I couldn't BF anyone except for a ST room, which I've kind of decided not to do.

More in a few minutes, as I have other tales / questions.

[Radical Guy]

Has anyone tried using Uber to get from the Manila airport to AC?

RG.

[BrainDrain]

The hardest part of a visit to AC is the final hotel checkout. It's the realisation that things are coming to an end for another visit.

Arrived into ABC hotel via a private car transfer from Manila. Texted a lady from previous visit to meet me at the hotel on checkinl, obviously scheduled texts and kept her details form a previous visit. She was all good with this and true to her word she was only one hour late. Good catch up then boom boom. After my previous week of 'dating' and non-working girls I certainly noticed the difference, BJ technique was intense, body movements were intense (which is why she is a regular invitee) but it was disappointing to feel how easy penetration is with a girl that works regularly. Anyway, it was good to have the first shots away within 90 minutes of checkin. P1,000 direct to her. Walking out the door, I requested the room be serviced.

Had a date night with a really weird combination of invents. Had a drink lined up with a european lady whom I met while on business in Europe a few years ago. She is actually a Filipina although now an Eu citizen. She was at home for a month in Dau visiting her family. Anyone we got along well and before long gave her the tour of the hotel and my suite. The ABC staff had faithfully fully restored the room to pristine condition. Stayed overnight, multiple pop and amazing body. Obviously a freebie and well deserved.

The next night headed out out 9:30 pm for a look around Fields. Tried my favourite oldie music bar. The Midnight Cowboy. A few song requests and of course some nice ladies. It's unusual here, the girls don't wear uniforms but all have killer heels. Drinks were cheak. BF on offer was P1,500. I liked the girl that sat with me but she said she was just simple girl in bed. That description put me off a little and I left without her.

Wondering through a few places. Looked into HiSo, paid the P200 cover charge for men now. Inside was dead, about 11 by now. Had one beer and left.

Ended up in Viking bar, it was nice, girls on stage were looking pretier as the drinks wore on. Waitress was lovely company. BF here is P2500 for dancer and P2300 for waitress. The place had a good vibe this particular night. Chatted to a few fellow visitors and partied on. Girls and waitresses were good value and in a real party mode. I had a look in HiSo by this time and it was going off. I guess it was about 1 am by now. Plenty of eye contact but I really didn't want the hassle of the freelancer, pickup pretence. We packed up our things and went for a look at a few other places. Voodoo, Insomnia, Skytrax. Settled in a Insomnia and chose a lovely girl.

Back to ABC via their van service. That is such a nice touch.

Girl stayed for breakfast, then it was time for her to go and me to pack. I was packed by 10:30 with a car service booked for midday transfer to MNL. WHat to do with 90 minutes. Tried a few of my numbers but the girls were either still on BF or were asleep. So I went for a walk towards town, already at this hour, a few girls making the right eye contact. Walking past Margherita Station there was a nice girl, 28 years, a little chubby, I asked for a massage and was quoted P500. I said let's go. So, within 10 minutes of leaving, back in the room. Had the spa already filled to save time. Time BJ and straight sex. I think she actually really got into it. For the P1000 she was happy to be on her way have fulfilled her part of the bargain but I admit I never actually got the 'massage'.

After this visit I've cleaned out my address book of numbers acquired over the past three years. I think it's time for new talent, plus it reduces the level of ongoing overhead and money requests while I'm not here.

I look forward to being back soon.

BD.

[Fastpiston]

First off thanks for the feedback and comments. Glad some of you guys enjoyed what I posted. I wanted to clarify and give a bit more details on what I posted and a few other things I didn't mention.

I wanted to clarify on the biggest issue which is the $1500/ month figure which it does sound hard to believe to attain a certain kind of lifestyle that many aspire too. I obviously don't expect to live in AC the same way I vacationed there. I currently live in Bangkok and have for quite awhile and have already known that living in BK is not the same as vacationing here. Same with AC if I were to live there. I still like BK and after living here for awhile, I'm able to live in a good place, eat very good food on a daily basis, and have some extra $$$ to spend on P4P.

With a budget of $1300-$1600, I'm able to eat to live a good life while seeing 4-6 different girls a month on average (majority from either Soapies, MPs, and GOGO while the rest are regulars). No, I don't keep an exact tally and maybe Ill go a month seeing two girls and other months many more. Whichever place you choose to reside, say Costa Rica, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Phils, Thailand, etc. After awhile you learn how find better deals, cheaper places to eat (yet good quality), you know which part of town to be and could find better deals on apartment / condo / house, etc. When I first moved out to Thailand, yes, everything was twice as the figure I posted in the beginning, but after you get through the learning process, know more of the language, the expenses come down.

So even though Bangkok life is decent why am I even bothering thinking of moving to AC (which I doubt I will, though the thought does linger in my head). Despite all very good things BK provides that AC doesn't. Much better food, and alot more variety, way much safer, more activities (is there anywhere you can walk in AC aside from going in circles at SM Mall or walking back and forth at Walking St? I can walk for miles and miles in BK (and have lost weight doing so). Much better value per dollar in BK than AC (yes, I do understand I'm comparing BK to AC is apples to oranges).

I can head to Nana and for around $100 or so to get nice tail or ring up a regular if needed be. I have the option to go down to the beaches via bus for cheap or fly down to a great small city like Chiang Mai for $100 are / T.

YET. Despite all the crap that there is in AC, I felt happier at the end of the day there. For comparison's sake. I enjoyed my 3-4 weeks in Angeles City much more than I did in BK when I went there for the first time. I was more blown away by BK and 'impressed. '.

IN BK. Seeing miles of high end malls (Siam Paragon, etc), finding Pad Thai for a little over a buck, and GoGo bars just a walk away really impressed me. $25-$35 a night rooms of very good quality, friendly people (though I would say a good amount with attached 'fake smiles' very safe (just keep an extra eye out at the touristy places and generally watch your pockets for common sense anywhere), and being eye pleasing. Despite all this, I felt more happy at AC.

The negative with AC was the semi stress of trying not to get robbed when going out (despite the time of the day), harassed by homeless people, trying to find JUST a decent meal, dealing with crooked cops and watching doing their random checkpoints, etc.

Despite all this, I was happier in AC than BK. On paper BK blows out AC. But dealing with the girls between BK and AC was the difference maker. And I won't even bother mentioning Pattaya because I simply did not like Pattaya (although I will go there again since I was there last time only for 3 days and its unfair if I don't give it a second chance).

I'd rather have one girls from AC on average than three girls on average in BK. The one girl in AC will give me an experience that three girls in BK in general could not provide.

As I stated earlier, I don't expect to go to AC and walk in and tally 10-12 girls per month with high intensity passion.

Whats unique about AC more than BK is that you can build on (as another person mentioned) networking of getting freebies or making open relationships. In BK the girl gives you OK sex and leaves right after. In AC, the girl blows your brains out and stays with you until the next day. When I was in AC, I did NOT pursue any of the girls. The few (which I got as freebies later) pursued me.

Back to the budget of $1500. Yes, it does seem 'delusional' to get the experience I mentioned especially if you.

-have little to no experience in living in other countries (3rd world for example).

-currently living in the western world and only vacation to these places.

-make an effort to reduce costs when possible, etc.

But if you have years and years of living overseas, habitually know how to manage your money, then it 'might' be just possible.

Also getting a great life style in AC doesn't come overnight, but it can really snowball quickly in a good way where a single guy can target around that budget.

Yes, I could spent a bit more but I'd rather leave my savings alone (I'm not on SS, Disability, Retirement, a pension, etc). I've seen to many people blow their savings literally in a flash.

One guy that is talked about in BK was a person that came with 200 K to semi-retire / live on and blew it in less than a year.

The negatives of AC are big and currently are glaring right at me in the face. Pollution, not safe, corruption, food in general sucks, infrastructure and more. Though for some odd reason I felt happier there.

And what would I do if I were to live there? No, I wouldn't go crazy and be a hungry roided Werewolf drinking Viagra by the gallons per day looking for girls daily. I would be a little bit more laid back but the beauty of AC is that when you want to turn it on, you can turn it on. That's the difference between AC and BK. You can go from 0-60 at the snap of a finger in AC. In BK you have to keep restarting your Dodge Pinto as the car won't even start.

That's why I recommended paying extra $$ for a hotel (instead of opting for some cheap apartment in AC) to stay in on a monthly basis since it is generally safer, the logistics is way better for girls, you have the front desk for screening, not worry about brown-outs and have water / power all paid included.

Its funny because even after all this I may not leave BK, but as I said, the thought keeps lingering on moving to AC.

For other cities to live? I really need to check out Cambodia (PP) because that might be another gem that I'm not aware of. This would be a good time to discuss PP vs AC (or even BK).

A wonderful report. Balanced and informative.

I would agree with all. Girls more affectionate & passionate in AC but downside is criminal class police, low quality food, and boredom between sessions. Best to live a two center AC / BKK, if funds are available. Shame no direct flights CLK / BKK, but hopefully they will be re-established. Only caution is with all that passion, make sure to keep away from signing marriage contracts, committing yourself financially or sending remittances. So many guys have got washed up by the romance & passion and ended up someplace they do not really want to be (but usually go into denial afterwards about making the mistake). Girls with Filipino kids have a definite agenda and will work very very hard to get a food line and escape passport.

[Goyer78]

IMO you have to live in AC like you would anyplace else Got to find a hobby other then sex and drinking. Got to find things to do other then sex and drinking all day. AC has other things to do in it despite what others always say about it. It. It,s A Eat fuck and drink town. Yes you will get that in abundance there and what else does a MAN need in life but food beer and pussy? However if you only have $1500 or less a month you will not be doing that everyday without running out of money so you have to find a cheap or free way to pass your time without getting bored. I going to live there with 1100 a month and a hugh savings back up But I have already burned in my mind that I am not going to be getting laid everyday can, t afford it and frankly once every 3-4 days for me is enough to keep me happy.

Good post Streetlooker. This is a pretty big issue but the time that I was there, I used my free time to pretty much stay in the hotel and watch the idiot box (well, there was an NBA channel that I liked on TV), go to the arcade at SM Mall (that does get old quick but maybe once a week or so) and there is always the internet.

I love to walk and that was the selling point for me to most likely NOT go to AC. I like to keep in half way decent shape and eating crappy Jobilees while sitting on my ass watching wannabe professional singers on TV doing Karaoke is not going to help me get in shape.

One thing for sure I will do is join a gym, though I heard its pricey. Another thing too is that I may have to use a trike to get there. Could I afford it? Yeah, but I like to stay on a budget when I can.

The more I think about it, I think being in AC is good for maybe in chunks at a time, maybe 2 months and head back to X,why, or Z place (BK, Phnom Penh, Chiang Mai, or whatever place one may be in). So maybe two months AC, 4 months back at hometown, then back to AC.

[Goyer78]

First off thanks for the feedback and comments. Glad some of you guys enjoyed what I posted. I wanted to clarify and give a bit more details on what I posted and a few other things I didn't mention.

I wanted to clarify on the biggest issue which is the $1500/ month figure which it does sound hard to believe to attain a certain kind of lifestyle that many aspire too. I obviously don't expect to live in AC the same way I vacationed there. I currently live in Bangkok and have for quite awhile and have already known that living in BK is not the same as vacationing here. Same with AC if I were to live there. I still like BK and after living here for awhile, I'm able to live in a good place, eat very good food on a daily basis, and have some extra $$$ to spend on P4P.

With a budget of $1300-$1600, I'm able to eat to live a good life while seeing 4-6 different girls a month on average (majority from either Soapies, MPs, and GOGO while the rest are regulars). No, I don't keep an exact tally and maybe Ill go a month seeing two girls and other months many more. Whichever place you choose to reside, say Costa Rica, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Phils, Thailand, etc. After awhile you learn how find better deals, cheaper places to eat (yet good quality), you know which part of town to be and could find better deals on apartment / condo / house, etc. When I first moved out to Thailand, yes, everything was twice as the figure I posted in the beginning, but after you get through the learning process, know more of the language, the expenses come down.

So even though Bangkok life is decent why am I even bothering thinking of moving to AC (which I doubt I will, though the thought does linger in my head). Despite all very good things BK provides that AC doesn't. Much better food, and alot more variety, way much safer, more activities (is there anywhere you can walk in AC aside from going in circles at SM Mall or walking back and forth at Walking St? I can walk for miles and miles in BK (and have lost weight doing so). Much better value per dollar in BK than AC (yes, I do understand I'm comparing BK to AC is apples to oranges).

I can head to Nana and for around $100 or so to get nice tail or ring up a regular if needed be. I have the option to go down to the beaches via bus for cheap or fly down to a great small city like Chiang Mai for $100 are / T.

YET. Despite all the crap that there is in AC, I felt happier at the end of the day there. For comparison's sake. I enjoyed my 3-4 weeks in Angeles City much more than I did in BK when I went there for the first time. I was more blown away by BK and 'impressed. '.

IN BK. Seeing miles of high end malls (Siam Paragon, etc), finding Pad Thai for a little over a buck, and GoGo bars just a walk away really impressed me. $25-$35 a night rooms of very good quality, friendly people (though I would say a good amount with attached 'fake smiles' very safe (just keep an extra eye out at the touristy places and generally watch your pockets for common sense anywhere), and being eye pleasing. Despite all this, I felt more happy at AC.

The negative with AC was the semi stress of trying not to get robbed when going out (despite the time of the day), harassed by homeless people, trying to find JUST a decent meal, dealing with crooked cops and watching doing their random checkpoints, etc.

Despite all this, I was happier in AC than BK. On paper BK blows out AC. But dealing with the girls between BK and AC was the difference maker. And I won't even bother mentioning Pattaya because I simply did not like Pattaya (although I will go there again since I was there last time only for 3 days and its unfair if I don't give it a second chance).

I'd rather have one girls from AC on average than three girls on average in BK. The one girl in AC will give me an experience that three girls in BK in general could not provide.

As I stated earlier, I don't expect to go to AC and walk in and tally 10-12 girls per month with high intensity passion.

Whats unique about AC more than BK is that you can build on (as another person mentioned) networking of getting freebies or making open relationships. In BK the girl gives you OK sex and leaves right after. In AC, the girl blows your brains out and stays with you until the next day. When I was in AC, I did NOT pursue any of the girls. The few (which I got as freebies later) pursued me.

Back to the budget of $1500. Yes, it does seem 'delusional' to get the experience I mentioned especially if you.

-have little to no experience in living in other countries (3rd world for example).

-currently living in the western world and only vacation to these places.

-make an effort to reduce costs when possible, etc.

But if you have years and years of living overseas, habitually know how to manage your money, then it 'might' be just possible.

Also getting a great life style in AC doesn't come overnight, but it can really snowball quickly in a good way where a single guy can target around that budget.

Yes, I could spent a bit more but I'd rather leave my savings alone (I'm not on SS, Disability, Retirement, a pension, etc). I've seen to many people blow their savings literally in a flash.

One guy that is talked about in BK was a person that came with 200 K to semi-retire / live on and blew it in less than a year.

The negatives of AC are big and currently are glaring right at me in the face. Pollution, not safe, corruption, food in general sucks, infrastructure and more. Though for some odd reason I felt happier there.

And what would I do if I were to live there? No, I wouldn't go crazy and be a hungry roided Werewolf drinking Viagra by the gallons per day looking for girls daily. I would be a little bit more laid back but the beauty of AC is that when you want to turn it on, you can turn it on. That's the difference between AC and BK. You can go from 0-60 at the snap of a finger in AC. In BK you have to keep restarting your Dodge Pinto as the car won't even start.

That's why I recommended paying extra $$ for a hotel (instead of opting for some cheap apartment in AC) to stay in on a monthly basis since it is generally safer, the logistics is way better for girls, you have the front desk for screening, not worry about brown-outs and have water / power all paid included.

Its funny because even after all this I may not leave BK, but as I said, the thought keeps lingering on moving to AC.

For other cities to live? I really need to check out Cambodia (PP) because that might be another gem that I'm not aware of. This would be a good time to discuss PP vs AC (or even BK).

[Streetlooker]

Nice reports.

Guys who live in AC usually end up living with a girl or having regulars. Some even get married.

In most of these cases the 'girl cost' escalates, especially if they have kids (usually from a Filipino who has impregnated, fertilized and run).

The observation that Filipinas perform well in bed and can be affectionate is correct. But remember most have a financial agenda and largely view foreigners as a family.

Support ticket & dream of getting that foreigners ring on that finger, preferably with a foreign Passport to Nirvana! Ask Filipinas what they dream of, and they will tell you!

I visit AC, but would never live there.

IMO you have to live in AC like you would anyplace else Got to find a hobby other then sex and drinking. Got to find things to do other then sex and drinking all day. AC has other things to do in it despite what others always say about it. It. It,s A Eat fuck and drink town. Yes you will get that in abundance there and what else does a MAN need in life but food beer and pussy? However if you only have $1500 or less a month you will not be doing that everyday without running out of money so you have to find a cheap or free way to pass your time without getting bored. I going to live there with 1100 a month and a hugh savings back up But I have already burned in my mind that I am not going to be getting laid everyday can, t afford it and frankly once every 3-4 days for me is enough to keep me happy.

[Gorgon]

Man this town is full of grouchy pensioners. Apparently many of them take offense to "tourists" ruining the place for them. Went in to a place and they started to ***** like school girls at the bar about lousy tourists.

[Amjeck]

Phnom Penh, Cambodia....The girls are abundant, charming, and cheap.

How cheap and how's the quality? Surely it can't be like the old days.

[Roll Aides]

Well let's agree that Thailand is more expensive than the PI and Jakarta is a place worth visiting, but not living in full time. Then the only other viable value-for-the-money place that comes to my mind is Phnom Penh, Cambodia. It is relatively inexpensive to live there. The girls are abundant, charming, and cheap. The food is very tasty. And the risks are manageable. I think Phnom Penh is a contender.

Thank you Natty, I will definitely look into it. I must say the ladies in the Cambodian photo gallery are adorable.

I think it depends on the size of the city. Places in Thailand can be cheaper with better food, infrastructure and medical facilities. Parts of Malaysia too.

Goyer was comparing BKK to AC. Which is not a fair comparison as BKK is the largest city. A better comparison would be BKK to Manila and AC to Pattaya. And in each comparison. Outside of P4 P cost. You come out better in Thailand. Only P4 P is cheaper in PI. Other cost are the same if not higher than Thailand with lower quality.

Excellent points TG. I suppose this question would have different answers from a where to live vs. Where to visit perspective. Thanks.