Angeles City

[LuvAsianTang]

I agree with the gentleman who is planning his first trip to Angeles. I thought we were all adults here. If you can't figure out if you need to go to a Dr. Or if you don't know how to go to a pharmacy and ask the pharmacist what to take for your symptoms, maybe you shouldn't travel.

Or maybe he's just a new traveler and needs a little kind advice. What ever happened to the brotherly attitude that used to prevail in this forum? We are here to share FR's advice and just generally help each other. These days I see way to much criticism and very little help.

It seems that this is now a motherhood of brother fuckers where it used to be a brotherhood of cute little mother fuckers. What happened and can we ever get that back? I try and help as much as I can, and I would love to see others do the same.

Happy fucking new year, and I mean that in the kindest of ways. LAT.

[Dg8787]

I was in AC on NYE's Eve one year not too long ago. I would advise getting an early start and having your ducks in a row pretty quickly. I was shut out by midnight.

Thanks for the advice. I will have mine picked out and auditioned the night before.

[Member #4566]

I am in AC now. Looks like NYE will be a huge party. Some of the bars are promising over 100 girls available. It's a fun city, lots of action. Santos street is not active during the day.

I was in AC on NYE's Eve one year not too long ago. I would advise getting an early start and having your ducks in a row pretty quickly. I was shut out by midnight.

[Beerdrinker]

I am in AC now. Looks like NYE will be a huge party. Some of the bars are promising over 100 girls available. It's a fun city, lots of action. Santos street is not active during the day.

[Jack4765]

I agree with the gentleman who is planning his first trip to Angeles. I thought we were all adults here. If you can't figure out if you need to go to a Dr. Or if you don't know how to go to a pharmacy and ask the pharmacist what to take for your symptoms, maybe you shouldn't travel.

[Tomasb]

Should not all these health issue type reports be posted in the General Reports section for the Philippines?

When it comes to RTFF, it gets more difficult and time consuming when one has to page through dozens of unrelated non-mongering discussions. I am planning my maiden trip to Angeles and all I see are arguments and opinions about health and stomach issues. All with merit, but not here.

[Amavida]

All I can say is best treatment for upset stomach is starvation. Only drink plenty of nutritious drinks.

There is a world of difference between Amoebic Dysentery and an upset stomach LOL! Yes, the first action is to STOP eating and just drink Gatorade or some other oral rehydration thing with a little sugar and salt in it for a day or two. Soft drinks or 'Soda" as the Americans call them are very high in sugar and will irritate your stomach I. E. Make you feel much worse. If you have worse problems then go see a doc for a diagnosis & prescription. Only Hit the Metronidazole + Ciprofloxacin if you are far from the cities and even then, get to a big center as soon as you are fit to travel again for followup.

AV.

[Dg8787]

I will be in AC on New Years Eve. I am wondering what it has been like on other NYE? Do bfines increase? Is it very crowded? And do I need to bfine in advance? Are there great party places?

Thanks in advance and everyone Happy New Year!

[Sammon]

I hope most guys here are not following the self-diagnoses proposed by various posters.

The SE Asian diseases that Western visitors pick up and then treat using some suggestion by another person are not simple to treat.

For example, Flagyl is like using a nuclear weapon instead of a hand-gun to treat most gut infections and must be accompanied by all sorts of ancillary treatments to replace gut flora so if you have a problem please get yourself to a medico and get proper advice instead of listening to the witch doctors on this site.

Medical treatment in the Philippines is cheap even if you just walk in to any major hospital.

All I can say is best treatment for upset stomach is starvation. Only drink plenty of nutritious drinks.

[Red Kilt]

I hope most guys here are not following the self-diagnoses proposed by various posters.

The SE Asian diseases that Western visitors pick up and then treat using some suggestion by another person are not simple to treat.

For example, Flagyl is like using a nuclear weapon instead of a hand-gun to treat most gut infections and must be accompanied by all sorts of ancillary treatments to replace gut flora so if you have a problem please get yourself to a medico and get proper advice instead of listening to the witch doctors on this site.

Medical treatment in the Philippines is cheap even if you just walk in to any major hospital.

[Docwiltro]

Just a couple of friendly comments:

You cannot self diagnose Amoebic Dysentery. If you have spent the money to get it _correctly_ diagnosed then for gods sake get to a real doctor to prescribe the correct medication!

The exception to this rule is if you are out in the back blocks of PI far from good doc's. There is almost always corner store pharmacies even in the most far flung places willing to sell you anything you can ask for, If you know what to ask for. Often the very best treatment is not available but a second or third choice CDC recommendation is available over the counter.

If you come down with a severe gut infection then Metronidazole _PLUS_ Ciprofloxacin is the easiest to obtain, most effective self administered medication you can lay your hands on at short notice.

Taking Metronidazole on its own is wrong.

Be aware that Ciprofloxacim has some pretty nasty side affects, it tastes very bitter in your mouth, it makes you skin burn very easily (stay out of the sun). Its quite likely you will be only able to tolerate oral Cipro for a few days before you start throwing up at the bitter taste of it but it is highly effective at eradicating a very wide range of gut pathogens (Shot Gun approach).

You guys need to be very careful self diagnosing & self prescribing, you can give your selves big long term problems with severe antibiotic resistance and other things.

Happy Christmas.

AV.

I have had numerous cases of stomach infections while visiting the Phils which were mostly due to eating either leafy green vegetables or blended drinks like a mango shake. For me, cipro has no side effects, and it is the antibiotic I always use first and generally is the most effective. If the cipro doesn't quite get it, I switch to flagyl which is the one that will cure amoebic infections. Actually, doxycycline is a very good first choice for stomach problems, but that antibiotic is the one which will cause the skin sensitivity to sunlight. I know this first hand. Don't go out in the sun after taking doxycycline or you will know it in about 20 minutes; I have never had that reaction with cipro.

[Hutsori]

Agreed, have a great Christmas Huts.

AV.

Enjoying my Boxing Day. You too.

[Amavida]

How about a Christmas present to the community? Can both of you give it a rest? This nitpicking and criticism, veiled and direct, of each other is petty, drawn out, and really isn't much of a benefit. Does it even soothe your bruised egos? You don't like each other. Got it; we all understand. You're both not bad commentators, often have pertinent info, and at times amusing anecdotes. Stick to that, I say. Thank you and have a happy, safe and prosperous New Year.

Agreed, have a great Christmas Huts.

AV.

[Hutsori]

How about a Christmas present to the community? Can both of you give it a rest? This nitpicking and criticism, veiled and direct, of each other is petty, drawn out, and really isn't much of a benefit. Does it even soothe your bruised egos? You don't like each other. Got it; we all understand. You're both not bad commentators, often have pertinent info, and at times amusing anecdotes. Stick to that, I say. Thank you and have a happy, safe and prosperous New Year.

[Amavida]

Maybe because you can get viagra or any generic version from any pharmacy there. "Cialis" is only available trough street salesmen but even that is not the genuine stuff.

People who claim vast experience of the PI would know quite well that there has been a supply problem of Cialis into the PI for quite a while. You have not been able to get Branded or Generic Cialis. The street hawkers have been offering facsimile boxes of Cialis which contain an inactive worthless pill (pure fake).

The Viagra & Levitra offered by street hawkers is for the most part generic drug in facsimile boxes (I. E. Real drug in fake box).

The Viagra & Levitra offered by pharmacies is, of course, the real branded drug but at much higher price.

If you are coming for a sex vacation to the PI and want to, ahem, maximise your investment, then my advise is try a box of V or L from a local street vendor & if (as it usually it is) you find it satisfactory, then come back to the same guy for more. Never buy in bulk until you 'try' a single box first just in case. If you are unlucky can't get the generic off the street then go to Watsons or Generica to buy the much more expensive version. Mercury can be a bit legalistic about supplying without a script but no harm in trying them.

As for Cialis, it's strictly BYO for now.

Again, alleged veterans would already know this so its a bit disingenuous to ask such a question.

AV.