Angeles City

[Goferring]

One can get drunk any / every night of the year, anywhere. But when there are only 7 or 10 nights of your annual vacation and you are in trim heaven, each night is precious. At one point I looked at that fun vs nawty thing and thought: Talk about misplaced priorities!.

True but where in the rule book does it say that they are mutually exclusive?? I don't know anywhere at home where I can have a face full of titties, a beer in one hand and snatch in the other. All for less than $10 a drink. That's where AC and wider Philippines shine.

Sure it's not as in your face as years ago, but it's still there.

Each to their own, but I've never gone for point and shoot and notches on a bed post. Give me a enjoyable night of laughs and frolicking any time.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

There is HUGE variety in Thailand. There are SO MANY bars in Thailand. SNIP In Angeles City I still hear people posting about the same 3 or 4 bars over and over again. Sorry. Call me old. But I won't be back anytime soon since the Heyday is over. Again, just my opinion and I am not trying to say I am right. It's just that it's easier and cheaper to find what I want elsewhere.

Understood.

BTW, I do not sit around a bar drinking. Most amount of time I have been in a bar is 45 minutes, chatting up a girl that I have BF before for a referral there. I go to BF a girl and then straight to the hotel. Sex is my game and purpose there. A shopping trip if you will.

We are of the same mold. When I go out looking to barfine, I don't go bar-hopping with the intent of socializing and having fun in the bars. I almost never barfine if I am out with a mate (on purpose). When out with mates, its social, and an evening of chat and fun. My buddy is probably looking for a girl. However when I am looking for a girl, I usually go alone, and the first girl that lights my fancy and agrees to my things is walking out the door with me to receive my vaccine in the next 30 minutes. The bar-hopping is done for the night. Its quite possible for me to walk into a bar, have the mama or waitress help me choose a girl, chat the girl for a moment, pay the barfine, and have been in the bar 10 minutes (or less). No need to go to anymore bars tonight (unless, after the first bang, the girl and I both want to go out for a drink). No LD purchased, a tip goes to the mama / waitress.

Prior, in the mid-00's, I was the opposite. Typical newb having fun in 4-5 bars in a night, sometimes going home drunk with no girl, having lost sight of the prime directive. One can get drunk any / every night of the year, anywhere. But when there are only 7 or 10 nights of your annual vacation and you are in trim heaven, each night is precious. At one point I looked at that fun vs nawty thing and thought: Talk about misplaced priorities!.

I like the fun girls, the ones that like to joke and party. These girls are not going with Korean guys and they don't start their shift until 6 or 7 pm. I'd barfine a couple every night then bring them to megadance and have fun all night. I never felt I was settling on quality. Definately not as many to choose from than years ago but still not a problem to find one.

In summation, yes if you knew Angeles 10 years ago or more and trying to compare then you feel sour. But Angeles is still far better than anything you will find back in the states and I think still worth it for sure! Oh and I was never once asked short time or long time but any of the 11 girls I had last week. All were long time like usual. Maybe that's just a daytime girl thing? (Ie- Korean loving girl thing).

Great report. Eleven girls in one week? Bit jealous here. . .

That report calls for a pic of my girls being playful (WAB-girls).

[Dg8787]

I ran in to an 8.5+ that I have known for 7 years. She is 26 now with 2 kids. Still one of the greatest bodies around and might I add a tight kitty. We had a great time catching up. So much so that I will be taking her to Boracay tomorrow for 3 days. Direct flights from Clark to Boracay are available now for $60 one way. Great Boracay hotels for under $100 a night.

[Dg8787]

I have been to AC 3 times this year. Total of 25 days. About 7-8 days a tour. Primary have been to Qbar and Lollipop bars. Both bars have 2 tier bar fines. How do I know? Because I have paid 3500 and 4000 at each bar. I have barfined 3 from Qbar and 5 from Lollipop. On NYE I BF a 3500 one from lollipop. That girl is still working there and at a 3500 BF. 3500 girls wear a red bikini. There is one other 3500 color bikini. Go and verify it if you like.

I have had at least another 10 girls from my Friends and Family program. Some I paid 2500 to 3500 each. One special 19 year old got 4 k plus. Most girls were at least a 7. 2 to 8. 2 in looks rating. 9 out 10 of all girls had tight pussies. And I am not big either. Other day a 4 month pregnant was referred to me. She was so tight that I had to really lube up to get it in. 8 out of 10 performed well.

BTW, I do not sit around a bar drinking. Most amount of time I have been in a bar is 45 minutes, chatting up a girl that I have BF before for a referral there. I go to BF a girl and then straight to the hotel. Sex is my game and purpose there. A shopping trip if you will.

I really don't compare what it was 10 years ago. Today is what matters to me. Does it serve my purpose? Yes. I am having a much better time now than 10 years ago.

Never had a Korean cockblock me. BTW, plenty of new and clean Korean restaurants in Friendship now.

To each their own. Some may have a completely different purpose here, then disregard my post.

BTW, my apologies for 2 rude posts which were deleted. I will just post my actual experiences.

[GentileBear]

Maybe I'm speaking out of my ass as a Philippines newb but I don't get why so many people say to avoid AC it's been ruined. I was there for a week for my first trip and yeah there's a huge Korean presence there but there were also still plenty of birds in the sea. Prices were great for me too. Much better value than makati. Why don't more people complain about makati being ruined instead? It's always AC.

Hello Pickley,

IMO Angeles City has been ruined. Since about 2011. I see no reason to return as the pictures and stories from another board with Philippines in their name have more activity on "other places" like Thailand or Indonesia. Now I am happy you still dig the place! Really I am! I would guess there is still some magic out there but. I'll answer specifically Why I as an example feel the place Sucks now.

1) The hotels are obnoxiously expensive compared to Pattaya.

2) The ladies have gained weight and are older and more used up than say in 2004. (See pictures of AC Bargirls pre 2009).

3) Raids and other legal gray area matters have plagued Angeles City for about 15 years or so.

4) Being a 2 week millionaire from USA means nothing to the ladies now. They are not as excited to see American $ versus other nationalities money.
(5) The ladies have many more work options like Call Centers or other Business outsourcing they can do and hey - good for them, I am not hating.

Overall around 2002-2005 it was BBFS CIP heaven over there. And a lot of this creampieing was with BEAUTIFUL ladies who were slim and sexy.

Today. With the magic of Google Translate. I can simply head to Thailand and ask the ladies if they want my load. Philippines ladies speak English is no longer very important.

There is HUGE variety in Thailand. There are SO MANY bars in Thailand.

In Angeles City I still hear people posting about the same 3 or 4 bars over and over again. Sorry. Call me old. But I won't be back anytime soon since the Heyday is over. Again, just my opinion and I am not trying to say I am right. It's just that it's easier and cheaper to find what I want elsewhere.

[Goferring]

Thanks a lot everyone for the replies and all the info, really appreciate it.

I'll pass all the info to my friend, although he already booked a hotel for a few days in Angeles City on the same dates as me. He'll also be stopping by Cebu (he has more vacation days than me and wants to do some tourism in the area). I'll only be in Cebu for one night (due to an unexpected flight change by Cebu Pacific, which could be a whole other post), so I'll just check out Mango Square and see if I can find anything, or maybe try my luck online.

Thanks again everyone. Cheers!

I received a PM about an important omission in my Cebu post. Namely that when girls refer to being from Cebu, it's important to determine early on if they are referring to Cebu City or Cebu province. If the province, she could be 6 or 8 hours from the city centre.

Enjoy. G.

[Gorrion]

I guess my point is, have fun and be fun and you will have NO trouble getting any girl you want. A smile goes a long way and every girl likes to feel special so make her feel special. This should be easy for those of you coming for short sprints like me. For those of you expats living there 24/7. I feel for you, hard to keep that kind of energy when you are there for a long time.

Totally agree with you WalkAboutBoyz, and thank you very much for your reports and tips.

[MoonShot]

Maybe I'm speaking out of my ass as a Philippines newb but I don't get why so many people say to avoid AC it's been ruined. I was there for a week for my first trip and yeah there's a huge Korean presence there but there were also still plenty of birds in the sea. Prices were great for me too. Much better value than makati. Why don't more people complain about makati being ruined instead? It's always AC.

Experienced mongers refer back to the way it was. When you are a newbie, Angeles seems great compared to your current situation but it isn't so great compared to the way it was in the past. Makati has never been great in my opinion. Angeles has changed for the worse but it is still fun. As for myself, I tend to visit other cities in the PI and not Angeles City. Cebu is an interesting place to explore when you do online dating but it is not point and shoot like Angeles City.

[Pickley]

Maybe I'm speaking out of my ass as a Philippines newb but I don't get why so many people say to avoid AC it's been ruined. I was there for a week for my first trip and yeah there's a huge Korean presence there but there were also still plenty of birds in the sea. Prices were great for me too. Much better value than makati. Why don't more people complain about makati being ruined instead? It's always AC.

[Goferring]

...Those complaining about the Korean guys let me tell you....These guys are not my competition.

My sentiment exactly. I certainly don't regret any lost access to girls who, despite being very pretty, are known for their poor performance and entitled attitude. If someone else wants them, then they are welcome to them. It doesn't matter to me at all. Wherever I go, there are always more than enough girls to keep me happy.

My description is "why fight over defective goods?

I totally agree with your other point about making one's own fun. I think everyone knows guys who winge and complain about everywhere and others who enjoy themselves regardless of where they are.

Cheers. G.

[Dg8787]

G, I couldn't have said it better! It's all about your perception. Go and have a good time, don't try and compare and don't try and squeeze every penny. If you are going for a week or two, then let loose! If you are wondering if it's bad let me put it this way; I do know what it was like 15 years ago and after I just went back last week, I immediately took another vacation and will go again next week. Enough said. Here are a few tips I learned as well to make it more enjoyable:

-5 pm is the shift change for many bars, and yes, Koreans will be out in force at this time so if you want a shy, small, young, inexperienced girl, go out at this time. Some bars have a 6 pm shift change.

-6 pm or later is when you find the girls who in my opinion, are much more fun and actually enjoy sex and enjoy partying. I'd go barhopping around 7 pm and get a girl who I could party with all night and have fun with.

-8 or 9 pm, in my opinion most of the high quality girls are picked but you can still find some. Don't overlook waitresses. Hidden gems sometimes.

-mamason is your best friend! Often I will go to mamason and tell her something like, "I'm looking for a girl who doesn't just lay there during sex and is down for a 3 some tonight". No need to guess, mamason will know exactly which girl to get you.

In the world of different realities you have uncovered the Fountain of Youth in AC. Congratulations sir. It is certainly is what you make of it.

[WalkAboutBoyz]

The general consensus is somewhere in the middle: if you are in town for a good time, then you will find it; if you want to moan about how good it was 30 yrs ago and expect to be handed entertainment on a plate, then you may not enjoy it.

G, I couldn't have said it better! It's all about your perception. Go and have a good time, don't try and compare and don't try and squeeze every penny. If you are going for a week or two, then let loose! If you are wondering if it's bad let me put it this way; I do know what it was like 15 years ago and after I just went back last week, I immediately took another vacation and will go again next week. Enough said. Here are a few tips I learned as well to make it more enjoyable:

-5 pm is the shift change for many bars, and yes, Koreans will be out in force at this time so if you want a shy, small, young, inexperienced girl, go out at this time. Some bars have a 6 pm shift change.

-6 pm or later is when you find the girls who in my opinion, are much more fun and actually enjoy sex and enjoy partying. I'd go barhopping around 7 pm and get a girl who I could party with all night and have fun with.

-8 or 9 pm, in my opinion most of the high quality girls are picked but you can still find some. Don't overlook waitresses. Hidden gems sometimes.

-mamason is your best friend! Often I will go to mamason and tell her something like, "I'm looking for a girl who doesn't just lay there during sex and is down for a 3 some tonight". No need to guess, mamason will know exactly which girl to get you.

Perhaps some of the people on this forum having a bad time are ones not being fun themselves?? Think about it, when you go into a bar are you calling the girl down with her arms crossed and looking away or are you calling the girl looking you in the eyes and smiling? When I am out, I am HAPPY! So I enter the bar all smiles, looking at all the girls and waving and smiling at them, I'm hugging the waitress, I'm trying to have fun and also be someone others can have fun with. Then when I call a girl I'm joking with her, smiling, making her smile. I mean, if anyone does this then there is no girl that doesn't want to go with you. But if you look all upset and call a girl and just sit there or have dry Convo, I mean, I don't blame her for not wanting you. Those complaining about the Korean guys let me tell you, these fuckers are boring as shit! They barely speak English and just sit there touching the girl all awkward. These guys are not my competition. Maybe that's why I'm never being asked to short time, the girls I'm bringing want to be with me all night, I make it fun.

I guess my point is, have fun and be fun and you will have NO trouble getting any girl you want. A smile goes a long way and every girl likes to feel special so make her feel special. This should be easy for those of you coming for short sprints like me. For those of you expats living there 24/7. I feel for you, hard to keep that kind of energy when you are there for a long time.

[Gorrion]

Thanks a lot everyone for the replies and all the info, really appreciate it.

I'll pass all the info to my friend, although he already booked a hotel for a few days in Angeles City on the same dates as me. He'll also be stopping by Cebu (he has more vacation days than me and wants to do some tourism in the area). I'll only be in Cebu for one night (due to an unexpected flight change by Cebu Pacific, which could be a whole other post), so I'll just check out Mango Square and see if I can find anything, or maybe try my luck online.

Thanks again everyone. Cheers!

[Goferring]

.... angeles is mainly a girly bar town with nothing else to do, cebu on the other hand is a massive city but few bars, cebu once had 20 odd girlie bars spread out over the city but now I understand that number is down to a handful...

Gorrion,

As much as we complain about AC girlie bars, Cebu bars truely suck: overpriced, lack of atmosphere, girls' minimum departure times, crazy conditions. And that's before you even get a her out of the bar for a sub par session.

Go for a look but don't plan a holiday around barfines. Napa is correct: online and in person is where Cebu shines.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

A friend of mine who wants to come is a bit pickier and not very convinced. He says there seem to be more pretty girls in Cebu, is that true?

Your friend is correct. Do the math:

1/. There are many, many more foreigner friendly girls in Cebu than Walking Street. Cebu simply has a larger population. A LOT larger.

2/. Some / many hot girls in AC are Korean or drinks only and will not be going home with a white guy under any circumstance. I haven't found this in Cebu. My experience has been that any Cebu girl happy to date a foreign guy doesn't care if that foreigner is white, yellow, brown or green.

2/. The typical source of AC working girls is poor, destitute, single moms not the thousands of regular girls who flood into Cebu looking for quality schools or jobs.

3/. AC feed stock generally comes from Lyete or Samar (think Isaan and Pattaya). Great if you prefer spinner body types but no so good if you are looking for tall and slim or buxom girls. Poverty and poor nutrition exaggerates this. True cebuana I find to be the whole range from 5'0" and homely to tall and slim. However, to these you add all the other imported ethnicities. The Philippines is an archipelago where different areas produce girls with strikingly different features. Porcelain white skinned girls, tall and stacked, honey brown skinned, huge jugs on a tiny frame: whatever you prefer, seek and ye shall find!

Here is the rebuttal and it's a big one: walk into AC and, if you aren't too fussy, you can be getting laid within minutes of arrival; Cebu is a huge city but it's not point and shoot. It does have a settling in period for newbies to find their feet and make things happen. I've had several guys complain that this period is too long and took up most of their stay. For those prepared to wait, there are rewards. However, it does take time.

In summary (sorry about the long post): in town for a few days, not super fussy and want point and shoot, then go to AC and have a blast; have some extra time, looking for better quality and looking girls and prepared to put in some ground work, then bypass AC and go to Cebu.

I should also add that if your also looking for other things to do beyond getting laid 24/7, then Cebu wins hands down.

Enjoy. G.