Angeles City

[WalkAboutBoyz]

It is true about Koreans going to bar fine very early and on the weekend there may be no decent ones by the evening. Go earlier, agree an all day / night barfine and tip and I'm sure you'll do fine.

Great advice! Thank you.

I've read the reports that the best looking girls start dayshift at 10 am and all the Koreans scoop them up. I'm planning to be at the bars at 9:59! Are there any other times of the day anyone can recommend for popular shift starts for the girls? Admittedly, I used to not even start my barhopping until 8 pm but I know that will lead me to failure these days. I guess I'm going to have to be a day drinker now.

My flight arrives at midnight tomorrow and I'll be damned if I'm sleeping alone on my first night, I guess I'm going to have to settle for severe left overs in quality! Oh well. Dollhouse and Atlantis used to be my go-to back in the day. Can anyone recommend my best bet bar to hit up at midnight when I arrive?

[WestCoast1]

SNIP want to also have decent conversation with the girls, enjoyed shootin' fish in a barrel, then yes, YES this is still a great place / value.

Life is full of trade-offs.

It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans SNIP If you're younger and only there for a week and not willing to let a 1000-2000 peso price change ruin your week then you will do fine

Good observations*.

Consider most of the info on here relevant to a 60+, penny watching mongerer.

Haha you seem to know a lot about me.

Talking to my friends who have visited MX and Colombia and Thailand, condoms are required. Bareback is the norm in Phils and THAT IS WHY WE GO THERE. I would rather have a bare handjob than vaginal penetration with a condom. That's me. SNIP That's why I will continue to return to the Phils.

Me also. Let me speak to that. For that option, you would expect to pay more (for those that want it, no different than a gent who wants anal or CIM). If you were willing to pay p3000 (2000 b) to a Patts gal who insisted on a condom, you'd gladly pay more for a gal (say, pinay) who didn't. Or the trade-off is the condom Thai gal is prettier, and worth the same as a pinay who is less pretty but does CIP.

* Let me re-suggest something that is already up and running in AC (and Burgos). The TIP, discussed in advance. You think the Koreans don't do that? Famously they toss around big tips in addition to the barfine, regardless of whether or not they sex a girl (hence its already up / running in AC). What would be the harm in offering your prospective gogo cutie an extra 1000 (substitute your own value) if she agreed to your list of deeds (ie, number of pops, departure time in the morning). Your barfine increases from 5 k to 6 k, still 40% less than a Burgos gal (for the same service). A loss for you and a win for the girl? Or a win-win? Food 4 thought. Who's the femboy here -- the Korean? Us?

[FuriousGeorge]

Talking to my friends who have visited MX and Colombia and Thailand, condoms are required. Bareback is the norm in Phils and THAT IS WHY WE GO THERE. I would rather have a bare handjob than vaginal penetration with a condom. That's me. I understand not everybody is in that boat. So go somewhere else. That's why I will continue to return to the Phils. Hopefully in a couple months.

Ya I wasn't joking about that. I would like to make my first Subic visit this year. An influx of westerners there could cause a draw there of provincial ladies. Would the Koreanos also follow?

DB, can you give us a hint of current (not pre-covid) Costa Rica or DR prices, including ST / LT, condom / no condom? I ask so the gents can compare. Mexico has experienced its own covid-related inflation in girlie prices of about 50% (and, as before covid, condoms in MX are always required). Hence, a Phils inflation (as everywhere else) is maybe not so out of line.

And speaking of condoms, the gents who've mentioned Thailand. Is the condom generally required, or generally not mentioned by girls?

[WestCoast1]

So we should make Subic our new haunt.

It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.

Ya I wasn't joking about that. I would like to make my first Subic visit this year. An influx of westerners there could cause a draw there of provincial ladies. Would the Koreanos also follow?

Its a place now, where Americans are competing with Koreans, beacause they want a second Costa Rica far from home.

Paying barfines 5-7 K or giving freelancers Plane Janes single Moms 3 K ST. OMG!

DB, can you give us a hint of current (not pre-covid) Costa Rica or DR prices, including ST / LT, condom / no condom? I ask so the gents can compare. Mexico has experienced its own covid-related inflation in girlie prices of about 50% (and, as before covid, condoms in MX are always required). Hence, a Phils inflation (as everywhere else) is maybe not so out of line.

And speaking of condoms, the gents who've mentioned Thailand. Is the condom generally required, or generally not mentioned by girls?

[Mongoose312]

It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans and call them young and handsome even though 90% of the ones I've seen are all chubby and 45+ too. But think they'll do fine when there's thousands of fit young soldiers in their 20's to compete with. Good luck.

Yeah true this. If, in the future, there is, once again, a large US Military presence in Luzon it means missiles are flying over the South China Sea and neither K-Mongers or Western Expats of a certain age will be found anywhere in Luzon. I see Thailand staying neutral and failing this, Brazil as the backup. I can tell you one thing, no femboy k-sissies in Copacabana.

[Transporter]

I'd suggest that guys already have voted with their feet and wallets. Just compare the number of bums on seats reports here to Patts. The number of real time reports now is a fraction of 12,24, or more, months ago and also against competing monger areas. We are now lucky to see two live reports a month.

Well I am not a reports kinda guy, but I can yolo. I am here now in AC, haven't been here since 2016, didn't like the way things were going then, so I got out, don't like it now either. But what I am looking for is probably entirely different than what most others are looking for, maybe I am not normal. If I was say (this is just me) under 50 years of age, had only a couple weeks to yolo not a huge bank account, had moderate to little game, enjoyed both quality over quantity AND quantity over quality, wanted someplace relatively safe, got tired of the whole mechanical thing, enjoyed your commands being obeyed, english was my only spoken language, want to also have decent conversation with the girls, enjoyed shootin' fish in a barrel, then yes, YES this is still a great place / value.

[Goferring]

It appears that there are two AC's out in the open now, and that's a problem. Like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates: You never know what you're going to get. I can see, from that perspective, why the gents would give it a pass. You want to know in advance what the 'norm' is, but when there are two different norms, its hard to grasp or bother with it.

Get thee to Patts, getns, and leave the expensive pina-poon to me.

I'd suggest that guys already have voted with their feet and wallets. Just compare the number of bums on seats reports here to Patts. The number of real time reports now is a fraction of 12,24, or more, months ago and also against competing monger areas. We are now lucky to see two live reports a month.

I'd certainly agree with the two ACs concept. Some guys turn up and have a great time (admittedly at 5000 a pop). Others either don't barfine at all or have a miserable time. Despite the amount of abuse hurled between the two camps, in terms of satisfying their priorities, both are right.

Personally, I haven't been persuaded not to return as I go to the bars to meet up with other guys, have a perve and a drink but very rarely to actually barfine. I use numerous other ways to get laid in town and I generally get bored after a few days and move on. Suits me well but I understand that YMMV for others.

Enjoy. G.

[RakSopheni]

coming on Wednesday for a week.

I hope you do a follow post describing the differences between then and now.

[WestCoast1]

I also used to visit AC a lot 10-12 years ago. I haven't been since 2016 but coming on Wednesday for a week. However, browsing this forum right now has depressed the hell out of me!

WAB: You made plans to come before reading the Board?

I really hope some of this is exaggerated. Back in 2010 when I was in my 20's, I would love to barfine a girl and party all night with her.

I don't think its exaggerated. I disagree with the extent of what NS has said, but I think much of what he says is based in reality. Back when you were going to AC, there were few K bars. Things have since changed. One of the basic changes is that while an AC gogo girl costs half the amount of a Burgos gogo gal, you are likely to get her for ST (hence, half the fun); meaning its the same value. Best to check with the girl / mama before the barfine on her departure time. Some bars now have a divided BF system; example p4000 for ST and 5000 LT.

I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.

It appears that there are two AC's out in the open now, and that's a problem. Like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates: You never know what you're going to get. I can see, from that perspective, why the gents would give it a pass. You want to know in advance what the 'norm' is, but when there are two different norms, its hard to grasp or bother with it.

Get thee to Patts, getns, and leave the expensive pina-poon to me.

[JordCo]

It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.

I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.

It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans and call them young and handsome even though 90% of the ones I've seen are all chubby and 45+ too. But think they'll do fine when there's thousands of fit young soldiers in their 20's to compete with. Good luck.

[JordCo]

I also used to visit AC a lot 10-12 years ago. I haven't been since 2016 but coming on Wednesday for a week. However, browsing this forum right now has depressed the hell out of me! I really hope some of this is exaggerated. Back in 2010 when I was in my 20's, I would love to barfine a girl and party all night with her. I guess I shouldn't expect that to happen anymore? I'm 39 now, is there anyone that will be in Angeles later this week that wants to meetup for barhopping? Send me a message!

At 39 you should have no problem in Angeles or anywhere in the Philippines. Consider most of the info on here relevant to a 60+, penny watching mongerer. If you're younger and only there for a week and not willing to let a 1000-2000 peso price change ruin your week then you will do fine. It is true about Koreans going to bar fine very early and on the weekend there may be no decent ones by the evening. Go earlier, agree an all day / night barfine and tip and I'm sure you'll do fine.

[DzikaBomba]

I used to visit AC a lot, and have noticed a sharp deterioration over many years. Covid reset it into Korealand. The forum reports confirm my view. Price / Quality now is too high. I'm focusing on other opportunities, outside the bar scene.

No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.

Its very sad but I'm also passing on my planned trip to AC this year. Better to go to the dark continent. I get there what I want much better and cheaper and its a stonethrow from Europe. So no need for this long, expensive flight to PH.

Its just sad what happend to AC. Its a place now, where Americans are competing with Koreans, beacause they want a second Costa Rica far from home.

Paying barfines 5-7 K or giving freelancers Plane Janes single Moms 3 K ST. OMG!

I wanted to see it just one more time, but no, thanks. With shit like that not anymore.

[RakSopheni]

So we should make Subic our new haunt.

It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.

I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.

[WalkAboutBoyz]

I used to visit AC a lot, and have noticed a sharp deterioration over many years. Covid reset it into Korealand. The forum reports confirm my view. Price / Quality now is too high. I'm focusing on other opportunities, outside the bar scene.

I also used to visit AC a lot 10-12 years ago. I haven't been since 2016 but coming on Wednesday for a week. However, browsing this forum right now has depressed the hell out of me! I really hope some of this is exaggerated. Back in 2010 when I was in my 20's, I would love to barfine a girl and party all night with her. I guess I shouldn't expect that to happen anymore? I'm 39 now, is there anyone that will be in Angeles later this week that wants to meetup for barhopping? Send me a message!

[Breadman]

I used to visit AC a lot, and have noticed a sharp deterioration over many years. Covid reset it into Korealand. The forum reports confirm my view. Price / Quality now is too high. I'm focusing on other opportunities, outside the bar scene.

Well I've moved around a bit while living here in the Philippines. From Cebu up to Manila and finally Angeles city. For those on vacation sure there are better options than Angeles. More girls in Manila for sure. But for the number of regular bars with good drink prices, good food and some nice looking women Angeles is a great place to live. Easy to get girls from dating apps, from some of the bars and once they know your a local are easy to hook up with. Prices for freelance is around half what I was paying in Thailand. You just have to take what is given, go with the flow. I would suggest asking if the girl goes with westerners before even offering a drink. All girls I've taken from bars only want short time. They might agree to stay longer if their friends are bar fined with them? Maybe that's how the Koreans have greater success at keeping them all night.