Angeles City

[Pip Jaeger]

any clubs / bars that you would recommend? any massage parlours?

depends on what you want. big bars? small bars? it's all there and the lineups will vary. many mp's rep001tered around the area, most will send girls to your room, but not all offer any extra service. for just a straight up massage, i liked one that was on vian st, i can't recall the name, but it's located almost directly across from the entrance of the pacific breeze's annex; 90 minute full body massage was 350p.

i understand that abc provides transport around angeles. has anyone used it? any tips?

they have van service available to take you around. free to / from field's walking street, perimeter bars, apu market, sm mall, etc. driver's expect tips. they charge extra for clark airport pick up / drops. the concierge can give you a run down on where they will take you for free and what you have to pay for; be sure to get the direct number to the concierge desk if you choose to avail of their service during your stay.

enjoy your trip.

[LukeSkywalker]

If everything being equal, mating with your own kind would always have more depth, giving richer satisfaction.

The play would always be much more fun and exciting, and the orgasms much more intense, with someone younger, with firmer body, stronger spirit and deeper understandings of your own values and motivations.

All girls irrespective of which country love to be with their own people. Mainly they identify the culture, gossips of interest, behavior etc.

Even if a foreigner marries a local girl and lives with her in her country the tendency of these girls to stray is very much in the picture. Even if the guy takes her to his country she will quickly try to make friends with her own kind.

Now whether she stray from relationship or not is a different picture. If the girl is young and marries a guy who is old enough to be her grandfather it is a problem. There are plenty of inter racial and inter country marriages which seemingly have worked. But these are generally in the same age group. If the girl marries for money it is a big problem.

Now about Phi girls, many seem to enjoy being married to a foreign guy and live in Phi. It is kind of a status symbol for her and also she is well taken care of instead of slogging like other girls day to day. Girls working in AC bars comes to mind. They fight even for the 20 peso bill thrown at them.

[LukeSkywalker]

I knew a few Pinays and Pinoys, doctors and nurses, who emigrated to the US and work here.

A young Pinay was working long hours. She kept talking to everyone about her life dream of being able to buy a Mercedez-Benz. She had no ideas which model or how much, just a status symbol she had to have. People would just snicker at her material dream.

Another Pinay works double shift, like 100 hours a week, hardly ever home to see her hubby and kids. She bought a S-class MBZ but kept bitching that it was not big enough. So one day she traded it in for an used Rolls Royce Silver Shadow. Again she knows jack about cars, just an expensive status symbol she had to have.

Based on other acquaintances I know, the Filipinos / as, even the educated ones, are so unusually material focused, their value system is vastly different from the American middle or upper class.

Very true: the girls' behavior and aspirations depend a lot on their social strata. As a rule of thumb, middle class are pretty much like their counterparts in the USA. The top families are like the 1% globally. Generalizations here concern the vast lower classes, because that's what most of us mostly get. They are mostly ignorant, uneducated and not educable. They will not learn to protect themselves with birth control no matter what, because they rely only on what they learn from family and friends. For true love they want what we mostly want, a young strong body.

I overuse the modifier "mostly" to deflect anecdotal denials. Yes, there are always exceptions.

By the way, what do you mean by ONB?

[Strikesfun]

As of last week from my trip. There is a raid at least once a week. Nemesis and Geniese most recent. Raymond Street shut down one place open for drinks.

Santos street few ladies, only one or two, only take out. Perimeter Road Matric etc closed. The big bars are open but the place has a different feel.

Girls are scared. High Society seems to be the trend.

This is brief others can add.

[LukeSkywalker]

I should qualify that my observations are mostly about guys going out with obviously paid dates, not normal and healthy dates.

What you are saying is the guys' only interest in pinays is sex, and the pinays' only interest is the guys' money, which is exactly prostitution, pure and simple.

These girls are mostly uneducated street urchins. I am not surprised that their outlook in life in so narrow and near sighted, focusing on hand-to-mouth surviving day to day. They would be naturally more interested in the neighborhood juicy gossips among the girls, who's fucking whom for how much etc... than other worldly issues.

I agree that if you lie down with fleas, you will get bit. So do expect to get bit!

Come on Luke. How far do you want to reach on this one. It is not an acute observation of Pinays. It is an acute observation of people who do not have anything in common. Even still, in a double date situation my experience is that the men usually chat amongst themselves and the women amongst themselves while intertwining every now and then. And why wouldn't a foreigner who does nothing but pay women be considered anything other than a walking ATM? If you begin as a trick then that is what you will forever be. Try going out with women who don't require payment as part of the terms of the date if you don't wish to be considered a walking ATM. I swear you guys make your own bed, then complain about the comfort of it when it's time to lie down.

[Socker]

Are there any actual trip reports HERE IN THE ANGELES CITY THREAD? Is there any current information about the bars, BBBJ bars, mongering climate? Are the bars full? Are there plenty of girls working the bars? Are there any threats of more raids? Is AC city hall quiet these days? You know information that will help incoming mongers like me. I'm coming for a long photo shoot and current intel would be nice.

I'm glad some guys are making their cherry trip but this thread is for AC (bargirl) information, strategy, and general PUSSY HUNTING operations in AC. I would like some fresh Intel please and not the same (already answered) questions. RTFF

Thanks.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi Folks,

Making my "cherry" visit to Phil in March / April. I will spend 3 days in Manila and then go to Angeles. Probably via the Southern Cross bus.

I am booked into Angeles Beach Club from 3rd April.

Any clubs / bars that you would recommend? Any massage parlours?

I understand that ABC provides transport around Angeles. Has anyone used it? Any tips?

Peter

To Peter

Most ISG member get around AC on Jeepney 12 peso or trike 50 peso on short trip, if you want to hire a ABC private car it will cost you alot of money, I am not sure where do you want to go in AC there are not many place of interest you can walk to the SM mall and the casino, ABC is a nice hotel the best and the most expensive in AC right now.

Fast Eddie 48

[PeterTaylor]

Hi Folks,

Making my "cherry" visit to Phil in March / April. I will spend 3 days in Manila and then go to Angeles. Probably via the Southern Cross bus.

I am booked into Angeles Beach Club from 3rd April.

Any clubs / bars that you would recommend? Any massage parlours?

I understand that ABC provides transport around Angeles. Has anyone used it? Any tips?

Peter

[Sammon]

All girls irrespective of which country love to be with their own people. Mainly they identify the culture, gossips of interest, behavior etc.

Even if a foreigner marries a local girl and lives with her in her country the tendency of these girls to stray is very much in the picture. Even if the guy takes her to his country she will quickly try to make friends with her own kind.

Now whether she stray from relationship or not is a different picture. If the girl is young and marries a guy who is old enough to be her grandfather it is a problem. There are plenty of inter racial and inter country marriages which seemingly have worked. But these are generally in the same age group. If the girl marries for money it is a big problem.

Now about Phi girls, many seem to enjoy being married to a foreign guy and live in Phi. It is kind of a status symbol for her and also she is well taken care of instead of slogging like other girls day to day. Girls working in AC bars comes to mind. They fight even for the 20 peso bill thrown at them.

[Soapy Smith]

They are mostly ignorant, uneducated and not educable. They will not learn to protect themselves with birth control no matter what, because they rely only on what they learn from family and friends. For true love they want what we mostly want, a young strong body. I overuse the modifier "mostly" to deflect anecdotal denials. Yes, there are always exceptions.

I appreciate your qualifier,"mostly." I think the not educable characterization is more of an open question. Access is a serious issue for poor Filipinos, as is the quality of instruction in public schools.

Even in ostensibly free public schools, there are many expenses that poor families cannot afford: uniforms, including dress shoes, slacks, shirts, blouses, and skirts of specific color and fit; writing paper, pens, pencils, erasers; take-home assignments that require materials that poor families do not have just lying around; special topic books that are sometimes not provided and must be purchased at National Book Store, for example; lunch or snacks purchased at school because the school is too far from home to walk home for lunch; in some cases, jeepney or tricycle fare to and from school. Many kids drop out from a practical decision, often made by parents, that the kid is needed more to help earn money for the family than to finish school. Add to this the barriers that kids experience when parents are uneducated, can't tutor the kid through subject matter, and don't promote the importance of completing school.

The quality of public school education is a matter that some of our expats have expounded upon from time to time. Several factors contribute to low quality: poorly prepared teachers, often teaching subjects they're not qualified to teach, over-sized classes, hot classrooms with no air conditioning, and, as a result, an over-emphasis on discipline at the expense of instruction. (One caveat: Filipino teachers recruited to teach in the states are often overwhelmed at the lack of respect and unruly behavior that American public school students extend to them as teachers.)

I don't think my observations originate from anecdotal exceptions. I welcome corrections from expats who know these details better than I do. Also, there are some frequent mobile clinics that offer minor surgery to women for tubal ligations. I think they are not broadly advertised, but women seem to know about them through word of mouth. I think RK has described them in the forum some time ago.

[Pip Jaeger]

Smart guys pick up doable girls for ONS or P4P.

By the way, what do you mean by ONB?

Think you mis-typed Cbea. Anyhow ONS = One Night Stand, but I guess ONB would work too = One Night Bang, LOL

[Cbea20]

Very true: the girls' behavior and aspirations depend a lot on their social strata. As a rule of thumb, middle class are pretty much like their counterparts in the USA. The top families are like the 1% globally. Generalizations here concern the vast lower classes, because that's what most of us mostly get. They are mostly ignorant, uneducated and not educable. They will not learn to protect themselves with birth control no matter what, because they rely only on what they learn from family and friends. For true love they want what we mostly want, a young strong body.

I overuse the modifier "mostly" to deflect anecdotal denials. Yes, there are always exceptions.

By the way, what do you mean by ONB?

Firstly, watch filipinos at play in a social setting and out of 6 people. 5 will be playing with their phone.

Second depends entirely on the social stra in which you operate. Smart girls generally date smart guys, for dates regardless of ethnic group.

Smart guys pick up doable girls for ONS or P4P.

If you feel left out because a language thats not your own is being used. Learn some of it so that you can understand if they are talking about you, or to become part of the conversation not the subject of the conversation.

If they marry foreigners, again depends which level you are talking about. Those girls who are educated and have professional jobs lose interest in the boys who took their cherry, because most pinoys are generally mommas boys, a rather vain and spoilt group, who are bought up to expect a lot. Thats why they feel they can take whatever from woman especially cherries. Then run far and fast when the girl announces she's buntis. Those girls who work in and around a bar are happy to continue playing with the trike drivers when hubby goes to work etc.

There are many levels of social strata in the country and its totally impossible to make the sweeeping generalisations that you have done here.

[Master Monger]

I picked up about a hundred words on my last trip, and usually I can tell the general meaning of what they are talking about so I can join the conversation. I had two girls fighting over me once and they were so surprised that I understood we had a nice threesome.

Well my buddy Luke, I did pay 500p for 2 pops "once" and 200p plus some Jollibees "once" and had 2 girls refuse to take my money. Took them to dinner though. But you know me Luke and you have seen me with some of the hottest young girls in China for free so it shouldn't be a surprise. But I also very rarely post about China because I currently live here, and if I move to the Philippines I will rarely post there as well.

I am not worried about competition as far as having all the girls, I am worried about deep pocket generous guys screwing up the price points. My "max" price point for the Philippines is 500p ST and 1000p LT (With the exception of the occasional BF splurge) but I will sometimes pay less. Don't pay more but maybe give some gifts, I am bringing a whole suitcase full of gifts on my next trip.

By the way, I have been in SZ for 7 years and my price point has never changed here from 1100p ST and 3000LT with the exception of the occasional Dongguan / Huizhou Danshui Splurge. Although, girls talk about the gifts I give them, I buy nice jewelry for 200p that lasts them years, and perfume for 75p that they love. What I don't do is tip, usually! But the girls here know about my gifts and want to get them for good service (50% give me GFE. 25% Ass Licking, etc.) This is how I have maintained my price point in China, and how I will do it in Angeles.

Happy mongering,

MM

[FreebieFan]

This is a very acute observation of Pinays.

I have seen this happen among many young Pinays in the companies of their dates. They would chat away with their friends and the guys would just sit there for hours with no interaction.

That tells me Pinays' focus is primary their domestic life with their native friends. Their foreigner dates are just walking ATMs to pay when going out.

Even if they marry foreigners, their deepest passion would still be with their Pinoy BFs. I would not be surprised if Pinays would sneak around the backs of their foreign husbands to have hot sex with the Pinoys who took their cherries, knocked them up, then abandoned them.

Firstly, watch filipinos at play in a social setting and out of 6 people. 5 will be playing with their phone.

Second depends entirely on the social stra in which you operate. Smart girls generally date smart guys, for dates regardless of ethnic group.

Smart guys pick up doable girls for ONS or P4P.

If you feel left out because a language thats not your own is being used. Learn some of it so that you can understand if they are talking about you, or to become part of the conversation not the subject of the conversation.

If they marry foreigners, again depends which level you are talking about. Those girls who are educated and have professional jobs lose interest in the boys who took their cherry, because most pinoys are generally mommas boys, a rather vain and spoilt group, who are bought up to expect a lot. Thats why they feel they can take whatever from woman especially cherries. Then run far and fast when the girl announces she's buntis. Those girls who work in and around a bar are happy to continue playing with the trike drivers when hubby goes to work etc.

There are many levels of social strata in the country and its totally impossible to make the sweeeping generalisations that you have done here.

[BrainDrain]

I have seen this happen among many young Pinays in the companies of their dates. They would chat away with their friends and the guys would just sit there for hours with no interaction.That tells me Pinays' focus is primary their domestic life with their native friends. Their foreigner dates are just walking ATMs to pay when going out.

I'm not so sure that 'dates' is the right term. When I go out with mates on double / triple dates in AC it is more about us guys talking and catching up with each other. We encourage and expect the girls to chat amongst themselves. The last thing we want to hear is their take on the world. We are a little bit competitive and see the girls as very much trophy catch / eye candy whom are being paid to look good, laugh at our jokes and make us cum morning and night. In room parties etc, same same, we talk biz and the girls get drunk and create the colour and background noise.

I've had some more serious dates 1-1 in Manila and Cebu. The conversation is interesting but still kind of low level. I respect that your dates may be better company.