Angeles City

[Mc Don]

Another free fact for newbies. How many guys do you think go to AC and try to pick up the non-bar girls? Why bother going to AC and deal with the drama of local girls, because IMHO that is where you will GET in trouble with the locals. Where else can you go and pay appox $25 for a 18 year old GFE? If you want to meet girls on the internet, stay in Manila or go to Cebu, do not waste your time in AC.

I just returned from 8 days in AC yesterday and I seen first hand local girl drama. I had a couple of young guys with me and they picked up local hotel employees. First the girls were looking for fun, but then the drama started (I thought you loved me) and overall they told me that they would of enjoyed AC a lot more if there had not been any drama. Go to the bar and pay them to leave.

Robb

Best advice you will ever get when it comes down to AC. AMEN!

I have seen dramas too when the girl on the end of the night 4am, refuses to go to the hotel room, saying she was only having fun and wanted to barhoop. Also seen dramas with local BF and so on. Its easy to pick up local chicks, but if you will do that then go to at least a place which has more then just bars like Manila or Cebu. You will get more choice, easyer girls and will enjoy the scenary much better

[Robbaf]

Love your writing.

As a newbie to the forum, I've been contacting various laidies in the PI. One Happens to live in Angeles, walking distance from Options and Central Park Hotel. Would I be correct in assuming: a) She would be familiar with what happens on Fields Ave. Be) the interesting places don't show up on Google Map much see) it might be bad mojo mongering walking distance from where a gf knows everybody by name? Your opinion would be appreciated.

You would be correct in assuming she knows / is in the game. There is a lot of stay-in's in that area.

Robb

[Jack Burton]

Recently, as I perambulated along Fields Avenue .

Love your writing.

As a newbie to the forum, I've been contacting various laidies in the PI. One Happens to live in Angeles, walking distance from Options and Central Park Hotel. Would I be correct in assuming: a) She would be familiar with what happens on Fields Ave. Be) the interesting places don't show up on Google Map much see) it might be bad mojo mongering walking distance from where a gf knows everybody by name? Your opinion would be appreciated.

[X Man]

Statistics are pretty tricky. I took a course in uni and it really opened my eyes. I don't remember the math so much, but I learned enough to doubt the vague kind of statistics you get in news reports. FF, what is your interest in statistics?

I'd hate to be crucified for being terribly off topic, so let me say that. AC is a great place, where you can watch dancers both cute and horrific. You can chat with most all of them, although the topics may be limited. The waitresses are also eager to chat. If you are an interesting guy, or a guy who wants to buy drinks, you can get quite a large converstaion going. You can also pay what is called an early work release (EWR) which allows the employee to leave the premises and to be your tour guide for a while. To be honest, these tour guides aren't very informed about all travel matters, but they usually make up for it in eagerness and service. I'm especially fond of the all night tour, which seems to be a speciality in AC. X.

May I point out that the population of the United States (312m) is 3. 3 times larger than the Philippines (94m)?

Assuming your statistic is correct, the murder rate in the United States is 24% lower than the Philippines.

[ManonsanBoy]

Look gets get down to the gravy here.

Of course, if a mad former policeman climbs onto your bus and causes the swat team to climb aboard and kill everyone, then just pray.

Incompetence piled on incompetence and apathy. It is time to get rid of the regime anciens!

[Fastpiston]

Look gets get down to the gravy here.

Everyone knows the Philippines is unsafe as a whole, I would suspect AC worse than a lot of other places in the Philippines. Check the travel advisories from the various embassies. Manila and AC are not Bangkok, Singapore or KL. Be careful at night and do not go to dark places, do not wear jewelry, do not flash money, try and use a closed room exchange shop if you are changing a lot of money, always smile at Filipinos. Do not get angry and argue. If bargaining, do it quietly, smile and joke.

Of course, if a mad former policeman climbs onto your bus and causes the swat team to climb aboard and kill everyone, then just pray.

[Slippery]

All three homicides had nothing to do with a tourist on vacation. The double was business related (as there was no robbery reported) and the female killing was not in the mainstream bar area that most tourist frequent, it was a local bar away from Fields Ave.

Robb

I never said they had anything to do with a tourist on vacation but 3 homicides in one night in a city that small is significant to me. If AC population is roughly 250, 000, that extrapolates out to a dozen homicides in a city of a million. That's significant to me.

[Robbaf]

Three homicides in AC in one night. I'm surprised nobody has remarked on the double homicide. The 3rd was apparently Filipino on Filipino but right outside of a bar with a. 45. Victim was female and military. Shooter is supposed to be an off duty cop.

All three homicides had nothing to do with a tourist on vacation. The double was business related (as there was no robbery reported) and the female killing was not in the mainstream bar area that most tourist frequent, it was a local bar away from Fields Ave.

Robb

[Robbaf]

Also, here is a another free fact for newbies, you do not have to go to bars to get laid. Just being nice and meeting the regular local girls will give you access to free p_ssy. Why not take up both, that is, local girls who want to meet guys from another country and the bar girls. Enjoy!

Another free fact for newbies. How many guys do you think go to AC and try to pick up the non-bar girls? Why bother going to AC and deal with the drama of local girls, because IMHO that is where you will GET in trouble with the locals. Where else can you go and pay appox $25 for a 18 year old GFE? If you want to meet girls on the internet, stay in Manila or go to Cebu, do not waste your time in AC.

I just returned from 8 days in AC yesterday and I seen first hand local girl drama. I had a couple of young guys with me and they picked up local hotel employees. First the girls were looking for fun, but then the drama started (I thought you loved me) and overall they told me that they would of enjoyed AC a lot more if there had not been any drama. Go to the bar and pay them to leave.

Robb

[FurryFriend]

I guess that it depends on how you report the statistics.

Rate per million is one way. Another in numbers of murders per day.

USA about 45 per day.

Phils, about 18 per day

May I point out that the population of the United States (312m) is 3. 3 times larger than the Philippines (94m)?

Assuming your statistic is correct, the murder rate in the United States is 24% lower than the Philippines.

[Barney Rubber]

I'm not trying to picking on any particular posters here. Both sides of the view have made some good arguments and some bad arguments in my humble opinion. There are TOO MANY VARIABLES to make a real comparison. Comparing New York City's murders to AC / Clark is NOT a good one. 300, 000 to what. 8,000, 000. And where do the murders take place. Mid town Manhattan? No. The BAD sections of Harlem, the Bronx and Brooklyn for the most part. The NUMBER of murders in the Philippines is less because it's 1/3 the population. There's good and bad sections / neighborhoods in many countries. For the most part I know the ones to stay out of in the major cities in America.

Several posters have quite observantly noted the "COMMON SENSE" picture of this whole argument. MANY of the murders are in AC / Clark have been people involved in "OTHER" activities than the normal mongers would be involved in. Drugs, bars, bargirls, etc, etc. Don't get drunk, don't get TOO stupid, don't [CodeWord140] off any locals, stay on the main track, don't walk the LONELY roads in the wee hours or go to the "BAD" areas, etc. And you should be okay! WAIT is this advice for A. C. Only or should I use the same theory for America. Thailand. Europe.

[Gangles]

I guess that it depends on how you report the statistics.

Rate per million is one way. Another in numbers of murders per day.

USA about 45 per day.

Phils, about 18 per day.

I have visited and worked in quite a few countries, and the only place where I have been held up at gunpoint, in my hotel room, and robbed of everything of value, was within a few blocks of the White House and the Australian Embasy in DC.

The only place where I have felt fearful for my safety was in the Bowry area of New York city.

G.

If you feel that living in a city like Detroit, Memphis, Miami, Stockton, Watts, (I could go on, but I will not) is safer than visiting AC for vacation and you have found statics to support your position, then by all means you should avoid AC and stay safe in your country.

Hopefully, this will end the discussion on murders and all of us can get back to talking about what this site is really for.

[FurryFriend]

then by all means you should avoid AC and stay safe in your country

Why should I avoid AC? You conveniently forgotten the first sentence of my last post which stated my agreement that safety concerns about Angeles City are often exaggerated.

My concern with your post is not about the dangers of Angeles City, but that you fabricated information and thereby gave travellers to the Philippines a false sense of security. Your claim that the murder rate of Western countries is 7-15 times higher than the Philippines is utterly baseless. I'd wager if you conduct a survey, most tourists will feel more nervous touring the Philippines than they would in the United States.

Of course there are shitty parts of the United States. But the shitty parts of America are far smaller than the shitty parts of the Philippines.

[Undercoverh]

I agree safety concerns are often exaggerated in Angeles City. But you do nobody any favors by inventing facts. Your assertion that the murder rate in Western countries is 7 to 15 times higher than the Philippines is reckless fabrication.

I went to the CIA country page for the Philippines. It does not talk about murder rates. If you have it, I invite you to post a link.


You don't need to be a criminlogist to predict that, in such an environment, there are greater safety concerns in the Philippines than your typical Western country.

I agree that, with basic precaution, it is safe to monger in Angeles City. But data does not support your assertion that life is safer in the Philippines than in America.

You're using extreme examples. Does gangs in Los Angeles represent typical life in America? Does the Abu Sayyaf represent typical life in the Philippines?

If you feel that living in a city like Detroit, Memphis, Miami, Stockton, Watts, (I could go on, but I will not) is safer than visiting AC for vacation and you have found statics to support your position, then by all means you should avoid AC and stay safe in your country.

Hopefully, this will end the discussion on murders and all of us can get back to talking about what this site is really for.

[FurryFriend]

So before anyone talks so much about the murders in the Phili, just remember that in the western countires, the murder rate is 7 to 15 times higher, on any give day.

I agree safety concerns are often exaggerated in Angeles City. But you do nobody any favors by inventing facts. Your assertion that the murder rate in Western countries is 7 to 15 times higher than the Philippines is reckless fabrication.

I went to the CIA country page for the Philippines. It does not talk about murder rates. If you have it, I invite you to post a link.

Here is data from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime which everyone can verify for themselves:

http://data.un.org/Data.aspx?d=UNODC&f=tableCode%3A1.

Murder rate for 2008 (the latest data given)

- Philippines 6. 4 per 100, 000.

- United States 5. 2 per 100, 000.

The murder rate in the United States is 18% less than the Philippines.

Even without data, everybody only needs the slighest bit of commonsense to know that the Philippines is more dangerous than most Western countries. Here are facts:

- Poverty is rife in the Philippines with the average Filipino earning $5 per day (a majority earning less than $2 per day)

- Transparency International ranks the Philippines in the bottom quarter in terms of government and police corruption.

- The Philippines National Police is severely underfunded, understaffed and undertrained.

- The Philippines is fighting an insurgency against Communist and Islamic rebels that has lasted decades with no end in sight.

You don't need to be a criminlogist to predict that, in such an environment, there are greater safety concerns in the Philippines than your typical Western country.

I agree that, with basic precaution, it is safe to monger in Angeles City. But data does not support your assertion that life is safer in the Philippines than in America.

I had never heard of the word "drive-by" unitil I lived in L. A. For those of you who do not know, gangs just stay in the car, drive by, and shot at people or other gangs.

You're using extreme examples. Does gangs in Los Angeles represent typical life in America? Does the Abu Sayyaf represent typical life in the Philippines?