Angeles City

[Robbaf]

Here is one for you out there. On my last trip I was in dirty duck when a gent approached me and said the girl that I chose was a runner. At first I thought this is strange and he wanted her for himself but when she smiled at him as we were leaving I knew he was telling me the truth. So I started working on contingencies just in case as we were walking towards the hotel. After fucking her few times around midnight (I bar fined her early) I ordered pizza from room service which we shared. She had a drink from the mini fridge and then we continued fucking. Next morning, I gave her 300 peso tip and asked her about the guy. She said, he only tips 50 peso or nothing, all girls in the bar know that. She explained that she leaves very far and has service (pre arranged trike, she pays 2000 peso a month) to pick her up 4. 30 am. If the customer does not tip at least 100p she don't have money to get home. I am sure she can get home for less then the 100p but she may need to spend another 1-2 hours waiting or god knows what. Some girls that have their kids with them also pay for babysitter. I had one such case last time. This is a girl that I know and have seen her kid so she was not lying. She worked day shift and for her to stay overnight she would need to shell out 300p for babysitter. Point is if you are nice (and part of nice when mongering is to tip adequately) then they will be nice back and usually are. Very rarely do you get a b|tch that does not appreciate a nice guy. Yes some are out there, and the last two that I have encountered come from the above mentioned bar (I just love spinners and dd always has great once) but we are talking here 2% or less of all girls I have meet over ten years. What works for me is showing them that I will look after them by being nice right after the bar fine. Offer them food or drink on the way to the room (I am talking 100p here) and joke with them, make them lough which means come down to their level, be a kid for 5-10 min. Once they are comfortable then less chances of running.

Good post. I also know of a bar in AC where they do not want to go with the military on Clark. One girl went and ended up fucking three guys and got a 500P tip and another one went and got no tip and had to walk from Clark back. So they decided no matter how much they liked them, they were not going.

Robb

[Stroker Ace88]

He already stated that the Japanese men tip at the bar and for women at home, doing so on the road is just a continuation of their culture here.

Yah but what he posted was wrong. In Japan to tip someone is to offend them and I used this instance to prove his "thesis" was a wide generalization on his part.

I have pasted a quote from Wikipedia,"In Japan, tipping is not a part of the culture. Japanese people are uncomfortable with being tipped, and are likely to be confused, amused or possibly even offended if tipped."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity) #Japan

I will let it go, not trying to be negative just correct things.

[X Man]

There is no tipping in Japan.

He already stated that the Japanese men tip at the bar and for women at home, doing so on the road is just a continuation of their culture here.

[Just Seven]

Your thesis if you want to call it that, is flawed. If Japanese men do not tip at home but most can tip when they barfine in the Philippines how is that a habit?

He already stated that the Japanese men tip at the bar and for women at home, doing so on the road is just a continuation of their culture here.

I went to Black Pearl. My last trip. Will not return. Matrix Brawn (Perimeter) was interesting. Some guy came up and started chatting with me until he realized I was getting a handie and then called me a wanker. 700pesos for an in house BJ was a different change of pace, but will probably stick to 700pesos ST on Santos.

Was at Lost in Asia / After School at 130 chatting up before they opened and witnessed a wave of korean guys come in at exactly 1:55 (to both bars) sit in their "regular" spots and have their "regular" drinks brought to them without a word transpiring between waitress and patron. Then watched them play 20 peso games of mook gi ba (don't know how to spell it, but its rock paper scissors). Which gave me the idea to bring my favorite Chinese drinking game (frog frog jump) to Ponytails.

Gave the girls 100 pesos each in 20s and we played frog frog jump, loser gives 20 pesos to the winner. Girls had a good time, I had a good time. Ended up spending about 1000 pesos that way including drinks / lady drinks etc. Will probably do that again the next time I show up early in the afternoon.

[Ekspat]

Welcome to the new Angeles City. Adapt or die.

Price of SMB in Atlantis now 125ps.

Cheers!

[Stroker Ace88]

But in Japan, do Japanese men splurge in bars, on drinks and on prostitutes?

ABSOLUTELY.

Therefore, my thesis still stands. Tourists do indeed usually bring their domestic habits to other countries when they travel.

Your thesis if you want to call it that, is flawed. If Japanese men do not tip at home but most can tip when they barfine in the Philippines how is that a habit?

[Ekspat]

Ironically, many are getting stuck in dead end sociosexual relationships that go on for years and never lead to marriage because they have the financial capability of engaging in such dead end protracted relationships, hence our birthrate of 2. 1 children per couple, which is just enough to replace our population.

What you mentioned and a radical feminism has led Germany's birthrate fallen to 1. 3 per couple.

Well done, Feminazis.

[AsianRider]

Just spent a week there. 4th visit in 2 years. I actually live in Pattaya.

Town is still a lot of fun, though visitors seemed thin on the ground last week. Some upward EWR pressure. Fields was mostly 1500-2000, spotlight 3000-4000. Cheaper prices can be found down Perimeter Road.

Some ladies referred to as models and priced at 3-4, 000 are not models but just paid a lot to perform dance routines. Nearly all the girls speak good English, my Wingman managed to find the only girl in town who didn't but she still barfined. Some girls aren't comfortable with blowjobs, this is something you want to clarify in your interview with them LOL. All seemed happy staying overnight.

They don't have naked shows much like Pattaya, and indeed one lady I came was wearing 4 layers of knickers. A safety minded girl indeed.

My faourite places were Forbidden City, Typhoon, Genesis, Crystal Palace but YMMV. Cambodia upstairs was fun too. Waitress's in Angeles are lot more hands-friendly than Pattaya, and keen to be barfined.

Relatively new place was Phillies. Had some nice food there. But not sure if they were trying to be pool hall, restaurant, bar or disco- not sure if they knew too.

One wish. Cebu Pacific to secure some better flight times. Arriving 4am is a waste of a night.

[Ekspat]

Look at Manila. P3000 bar fines. Still full of tourists.

Having been now in Manila for almost a week and just arrived in AC, the quality is higher in Manila, no doubt. Much higher percentage of stunners.

Air Asia will open it's Phillipines hub in Clark at the end of this year. Direct flights from major Asian capitals. There will be no lack of patrons.

Wondering, let the crude oil price come back to '08 levels or even higher, at least the cheap patrons will disappear. Air Asia has again implemented fuel surcharges recently.

Welcome to the new Angeles City. Adapt or die.

I adapt :P

[FurryFriend]

The best hope for AC's survival is for it to keep prices low to draw in tourists and expats in search of one last bang before dying of old age.

The bars and bargirls don't labor for the benefit of expats. Why should they? The entire expat community can go kaput and it will barely dent the amount of revenue the bars are taking.

Prices can double and tourists will still come, particularly from Asia. Look at Manila. P3000 bar fines. Still full of tourists.

Air Asia will open it's Phillipines hub in Clark at the end of this year. Direct flights from major Asian capitals. There will be no lack of patrons. Welcome to the new Angeles City. Adapt or die.

[Chocha Monger]

Anyway, let us not forget that the only thing that Angeles City has to offer tourists is cheap pussy at a discount rate. If the cost of pussy gets too high tourists will find it hard to justify getting on a long costly flight to visit a dirty corrupt poverty stricken town in the middle of nowhere. The local authorities know this all too well, so they will make a raid on a couple of bars behind on their bribes once in a blue moon but they'll never eliminate the hooker bars though they could do it in one night if they really wanted. Many bar owners, hoteliers and other beneficiaries of the flesh trade dream of being able to charge Manila prices for their services. There is a big problem with that though. Mongers just will not travel 2 hours from Manila where there is a larger population of good looking mestizo girls in the bars to AC where lookers are few and far between for the same amount of money they would have paid in Air Force One. AC real estate is ridiculously overpriced due to the flesh trade. Property owners will be in for a rude price adjustment if the US ever gets its way through tying economic aid to the elimination of the local flesh trade. The best hope for AC's survival is for it to keep prices low to draw in tourists and expats in search of one last bang before dying of old age.

[FurryFriend]

So many Countries around the World do not have an tipping culture and yet those guys seem to shell out the tips just fine. One big example is Japan. I think we have all heard stories from bar girls about how they like to go with the Japanese customers. Most Japanese tip over and above what most other customers tip because they are not used to tipping, and they do not want to lose face and insult the bargirl so they give bigger tips.

But in Japan, do Japanese men splurge in bars, on drinks and on prostitutes?

ABSOLUTELY.

Therefore, my thesis still stands. Tourists do indeed usually bring their domestic habits to other countries when they travel.

[Sharka]

"Methinks" you are Generalizing. Your statement that "tourists are going to do whatever they're accustomed to back home" is wrong.

So many Countries around the World do not have an tipping culture and yet those guys seem to shell out the tips just fine. One big example is Japan. I think we have all heard stories from bar girls about how they like to go with the Japanese customers. Most Japanese tip over and above what most other customers tip because they are not used to tipping, and they do not want to lose face and insult the bargirl so they give bigger tips.

Agree, I've been to Europe and Asia often and have seen many many newbie tourist from home and all seem to know not to tip at restaurants (other than leaving whatever small amts that was left over when paying the bill) , and this is from a tipping culture at home that expects 15% tips all the time.

So yes, many already know the score but disregard it anyway.

[Sharka]

What exactly is a "runner"? I guess you are not talking about Usain Bolt.

The girl has sex with you once and wants to leave right after that? They will usually ask. Can I go now? I got kid / long jeep ride / laundry / whatever to take care of. I don't know what they would do if I said no as I am usually happy to move them out and have a good sleep without someone snoring nearby.

You have describe only a part of what a runner is.

As I had posted before, a runner is nothing more than a lie or a scam to get the most money out of you for the least amount of effort and time.

Remember that you have paid her a FULL BF with the promise (or in this case-verbal agreement) that she will stay until the next morning. I'm not a sex rabbit anymore so 2 rounds is the norm for me. So I often ask the gals before I BF her for 1 Round when we get back to hotel and 1 Rd in the morning. Now if she only did 1rd and leaves after 2 hrs then I have paid full price for 1/2 the agreement and should expect 1/2 the BF to be refunded back to me-yeah right.

Point is, there are many bars that have cheaper ST rate for taking the gal out for 2-3hrs ST and f*king their brains out all you want during this time for 1/2 the price of a full BF, then let them leave and sleep alone in peace. If I had wanted a ST, then this is what I would do and it'll be cheaper too but to pay full BF price for LT and getting only ST, then it's what I said-runners have just scammed you-IMO.

Shark

[Stroker Ace88]

With all this riveting discussion about tipping and the reasons behind it, methinks most of you have forgotten something very basic:

The vast majority of Angeles City visitors are not super-hardcore mongerers. They don't troll web forums dissecting the minutiae of Philippine culture before taking their trips. So naturally, these tourists are going to do whatever they're accustomed to back home. If they tip in their home countries, they're going to bring that practice with them. There's nothing strange, surprising or inappropriate about that.

So it's not about "compensating" or making up for one's rudeness. It's simply about doing what they're used to do. You might conjure up reasons why he's tipping when the real answer is simply: 'habit'.

"Methinks" you are Generalizing. Your statement that "tourists are going to do whatever they're accustomed to back home" is wrong.

So many Countries around the World do not have an tipping culture and yet those guys seem to shell out the tips just fine. One big example is Japan. I think we have all heard stories from bar girls about how they like to go with the Japanese customers. Most Japanese tip over and above what most other customers tip because they are not used to tipping, and they do not want to lose face and insult the bargirl so they give bigger tips.