Angeles City

[Gogobarlover]

Damn! I'm booked for AC in early October. Any advice on whether I should try to bail out. DAMN. Just paid the hotel reservation. Damn.

'Mouse

Why the sudden bail out?

[ThatGuy865]

Its bigger than just a payoff to anyone. The USA has put pressure on the PI to crack down on what they consider the [CodeWord908] sex trade. And AC is the main target.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...>-driveDe-Lima

MANILA, Philippines – Over 200 victims of [CodeWord908], including at least 15 minors, were rescued Wednesday night during an inter-agency operation in Angeles City in Pampanga, Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said on Thursday.

De Lima said that the 268 women and minors were discovered to be working at the establishments identified as Camelot, Dirty Duck and Forbidden City.

De Lima said the owners and managers of these establishments would face charges.

“This is a breakthrough in our anti-[human] trafficking initiatives,” De Lima said.

The US State Department's 2010 report on [CodeWord908] has retained the Philippines in its “Tier 2 watchlist rank.”

The Philippines may lose some $250 million in aid from the US if it fails to improve its conviction rate against human traffickers.

The Angeles City raid was described by De Lima as a “very big operation” that was planned for several weeks.

Those involved in the operations were the National Bureau of Investigation, the Philippine National Police, the Department of Interior and Local Government, and the Inter-Agency Council Against Trafficking, which is headed by the Justice Department

So the pressure will be on for awhile ... they have to make example out of AC to prove they are doing something .. i think it will be more raids in the coming months ... The country needs that aid money and beside all the payoffs that will satisfy .... and one raid is not going to convince the USA that they have cleaned up their act

[Redd55]

Damn! I'm booked for AC in early October. Any advice on whether I should try to bail out. DAMN. Just paid the hotel reservation. Damn.

'Mouse

I am in the same boat, I am going the second weekend in October.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Damn! I'm booked for AC in early October. Any advice on whether I should try to bail out. DAMN. Just paid the hotel reservation. Damn.

'Mouse

To Titmouse

Which hotel did you book, I never paid upfront so many option in AC try to contact the hotel maybe they allow you to change date or cancel.

Fast Eddie 48

[Titmouse]

Damn! I'm booked for AC in early October. Any advice on whether I should try to bail out. DAMN. Just paid the hotel reservation. Damn.

'Mouse

[Robbaf]

My first post with a problem. Made a very big mistake and sent twice some money via Western Union to a pregnant bargirl just to help her. I felt so pity for the girl. Now she is demanding more, otherwise she will inform my family about the previous transfers! Although I did not tell her my surname or my home address I am wondering if she could trace back these details with the Western Union people in Angeles. I am getting nervous and wonder if that would be really possible, or is there any privacy policy at Western Union I can rely on? Has anybody some information about that?

Where did you meet her? I would delete her emails and if she emails you ignore her. She will move on fast. If she is asking for money do you really think she can afford to find you? Western Union will not give personal information out to a girl picking up money. Did you use your real name? If you Google your name what do you get?

She is playing on your pity card. Drop her and tell her good luck, find a new sucker, as she just lost any chance she had for you to help her.

Robb

[Hesekiels]

... Give it a month or two . . . .

Well, let's hope for the best!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[Undakovabrotha]

thank you, brothers for all the valuable reports and information.

i am right now in ac. i had booked my trip just before the raids happened, and there was no time to cancel. now, in very brief and in addition to what has been reported already.

the fact is that as of september 20, camelot, forbidden city, and dirty duck are closed and sealed by the police. most of the other bars are open and serve the customers. however, there are very few customers only. it happened more than once to me that i was the only guy in a bar.

the selection of girls is not to the standard i am used to in ac. i am afraid the prettier ones fled the city, while the average and ugly ones stayed. there are some exceptions, though, and you just need to search longer for the right catch.

i have taken out only 2 so far, but there was no problem at all. the ewr is as before. perhaps this is because i am european and look so harmless...

in some bars, the girls wear street clothes, in others they are still (or again...) in bikinis. some are reluctant, though, to flash their tits or pussy - things which were "normal" in the old days. but i also found others in various bars who have no hesitation and show you all their assets.

i am not sure how this will continue and whether or not this is the beginning of a permanent change in ac. knowing some other places and countries, i doubt that this is the end of ac. too much money is involved. and where there is demand there is supply. perhaps the system will change once from the ewr to a more direct negotiation and transaction with the girl. if that would be the case, the bars were at clearly lower exposure.

and when it comes to ****, of course, this is not ok at all. when i pick one from a bar, i also want to be certain that she is no ****. otherwise, i might be in deep problems. therefore, i am also quite reluctant to pick a fl from the street, even though there are many and some of them are gorgeous. as long as i am not absolutely sure she is above 20, it is a no go.

i am also not sure whether or not there will be other raids. i guess the chances are 50:50. one one hand, the recent ones look as a very targetted action against some identified bars. on the other hand, in order to enforce "respect and law", some repeated "instruction" might be used. but this could take some time in between as well. since all the other bars are now very careful, it is not so likely that a second raid would be "successful" again.

i plan to stay for a few more days and will decide then whether or not i take my own "ewr" from ac, depending on the development of the situation. meanwhile, i keep you posted if there are any news.


wonderer


and for senior members who would like to know in which bars i had no problem with the ewr, please pm me. i don't want to post it in the forum - otherwise it might be too easy for the le.

i just talked to one of my regulars from forbidden, dirty duck, and camalot. she stated the main reason for the closures are **** girls, no proper documentation, and money. although, she states the owners have paid quite a penny so far. she states the situation is not good. she is hustling her old customers through online contact. she thinks the situation will get better after the new politicians figure out how to get paid.

this is unfortunate because the prices will rise in places like thailand and other mongering hotbeds in the asian corridor. yes, you can get a sw. but, our bareback friends, you raise the risk for stds and other unknown infectious diseases. the girls are desperate. so, they're ready to jump on anything right about now. ha!

alternatives? our american friends should look to mexico, caribbean, central and south america. our european and pacific friends should continue heading to thailand, south asia, and other great places. i think angeles city needs to sort things out. well, hell, if you have to go to the philippines. you still have cebu, manila, and other small spots. ha.

[Sammon]

I don't think the sky is falling quite yet. You notice that this is happening at the lowest of low season. Give it a month or two . . . .

My friend told me today all the bargirls and waitresses who lost their jobs because their bars closed are out on the street at night trying to make money. She told me she and her friends are doing the same thing and getting lucky. Weekdays they go into Skytrax because it is free. They do not have money to pay entry fee on weekends. She said you can see many girls aimlessly walking on the street and if you are so inclined smile and negotiate. I know it is dangerous to pick freelancer girls but with so many unemployed bargirls have no choice but to troll the streets.
My friend also said none of the other bars are hiring at the moment. Previously it was easy for her to jump from job to job. It seems all bars are reducing the number of employed girls. It maybe because there will be less number of punters because of the bad publicity or they are being carefull not to attract undue attention.
She told be AC will not be the same again because it has become prime target for various organizations in the law enforcement to try to make money. Previously the protection money was paid only to local police to look the other way. At that time bars did whatever they want including simulated sex, body painting , being naked etc. None of these things will come back in the near future. She said all customers as well as girls working there are considered informants until proven otherwise. By law they cannot refuse admittance like in Thailand if somebody looks like Philippino.
As of now everybody is still in jail.

[Betong]

RIP, good old AC. :(

I don't think the sky is falling quite yet. You notice that this is happening at the lowest of low season. Give it a month or two . . . .

[Mr Enternational]

The selection of girls is not to the standard I am used to in AC. I am afraid the prettier ones fled the city, while the average and ugly ones stayed. There are some exceptions, though, and you just need to search longer for the right catch.

So it is that the good ones left? This is my first time here and nobody really sticks out to me like I thought they would. I mean there are definitely a few that I can settle for but I do not see anyone that I just have to have (except the SW from last night).

In some bars, the girls wear street clothes, in others they are still (or again...) in bikinis. Some are reluctant, though, to flash their tits or pussy - things which were "normal" in the old days.

It is really funny seeing them dancing on stage wearing dresses or skirts and tops. It looks so lame. Quite alright though. I would much rather see them onstage dancing with a turtleneck, 3-piece suit, trench coat, Eskimo boots, and a football helmet than I would an AW butt naked on stage back home. I will be leaving for greener pastures tomorrow. Pattaya. That place definitely will not let me down.

[Buko Max]

I am not sure how this will continue and whether or not this is the beginning of a permanent change in AC.

From what I understand, the mayor has been away visiting the U.S.

[Mr Enternational]

The bars are being set up by foreigners, posing as customers. These police assets generally have gotten into some type of trouble with the locals and turned to help in the set up of bars.

Insist on paying a barfine, EWR, make it obvious you are paying for sex, no matter how the transaction is to be constructed, and you will meet with a stone wall.

Exactly. What many of the girls were telling us is that they can only go barhopping with us if we paid the bar fine, but they could not go back to our hotel. We were like what the hell. If I only wanted to drink I would not need to pay you 1500 pesos to come with me. I could do that without you.

My friend said that the mamasan in The Owl's Nest really started to stonewall about the bar fine when I came in with the FL. He said that she asked who the girl was. She thought she may have been a police officer. She finally gave in and accepted the bar fine of 1500 pesos.

By the way. This was the deal from last night. Before bar fining, my wingman asked the girl how much she actually got from the 1500. She told him that she gets 1000 and the bar keeps 500. He asks her why doesn't she just come over when she finishes work and then she could keep the whole amount. She told him that she made a promise to herself (maybe the bar as well) that she would not do that.

He finally kicked her out about 10:30a.m. after we called him to come to lunch. No tip given and no tip asked for. No complaints from either party about anything. Only mutual praises judging from seeing her and talking to him this morning. He said that they would have still been in the room if we would not have called him.

[Barfiner]

My first post with a problem. Made a very big mistake and sent twice some money via Western Union to a pregnant bargirl just to help her. I felt so pity for the girl. Now she is demanding more, otherwise she will inform my family about the previous transfers! Although I did not tell her my surname or my home address I am wondering if she could trace back these details with the Western Union people in Angeles. I am getting nervous and wonder if that would be really possible, or is there any privacy policy at Western Union I can rely on? Has anybody some information about that?

[Mr Enternational]

Is there some sort of cartel amongst the bars in AC? I was just in front of La Pasha for about 40 minutes or so. There were about 13 girls standing outside shooting the shit and horse playing. At 6:15pm a lot of old ladies (about 30 or so) started coming out of the bar and going in different directions. It was like they were leaving a meeting or something. Then the girls who were in front were allowed to go in.