Angeles City

[Matius]

to poopbunny,

i have been hearing this rumor for the last few yr about the pi goverment like to developed clark to a major international airport and move the international airport in manila to clark.

the goverment want to save money to expanded and build a new airport in manila, i think is a bad idea just too far away from manila don't why anyone want to spend that kind of money in ac.

fast eddie 48

the current president of the philippines and her family is from pampanga (angeles city area). notice the highway modernization from manila to subic (going through angeles). the reported construction on train services from angeles to manila. so assuming you, your friends and family will one day not benefit from the graft and corruption accompanying one's presidency, want to ensure the long-term cashflow that comes with tourist dollars in your community and have a set of runways, and airport facilities built with u.s. taxpayers dollars (clark was a former u.s. military base), might you consider moving the international airport volume to angeles? particularly if one can cite the lack of expansion space in manila. to follow the thought, also notice all the new bars, casino's and hotel's being built and modernized in angeles, during one of the worst tourist recessions ever seen, all are preparing for the day many if not all international flights go through angeles. in the last couple of years, cebu pacific, zest and other have increased their international routes to arrive in angeles, the move is happening, maybe not all at once, but a definite shift for many airlines and arriving passengers. if one is travelling specifically to angeles, its good news, no more manila rush hour traffic or the 2500 plus peso to hire a car.

[Matius]

So, I equate using generics with eating at street stalls. And if you had ever seen the conditions of most water bottling companies (in the first world I might add) which were unsupervised and didn't have a big brand name, you would have zero confidence in their cleanliness and quality control.

I think you are absolutely right, the only thing I disagree with is the use of the term generics, as true generics are produced by legitimate and legal drug companies (often times the same drug company that developed the product initially) on medicines in which the patent has expired. The stuff on the street are counterfeit, or knock-offs. They are not generics as we know them in the western world. Then finally, at least at a street stall, you can see who is producing the food and the conditions of production, these drugs on the street, one can only see the seller. Notice Pfizer has not hired him into their sales force.

[Matius]

In which case it is clearly not fake.

Dont be taken in by the capitalist scammers who are just selling a logo or band name at an inflated price.

I am not a drug company executive, but I think you are a little to harsh in your opinion and more importantly may be giving bad advice. If it were not for those capitalist scammers neither Cialis or Viagra would exist such that the street vendors could knock it off. The tests and trails would never have been conducted to see if the active ingredients work and any sale of such in whatever dose would have have been left to the 3rd year primary school graduate with no teeth.

In regards to the general thread on using this stuff off the street, and for a moment let's assume we are speaking to a newbie who knows neither the vendor or the quality of the product before purchase. Everyone throughout the world were outraged to learn the Chinese were putting the ingredients to radiator fluid, plastics and embalming fluid into their milk, dog food, candy, etc. These acts were committed by established and licensed Chinese factories. Now, can you imagine the hygene, quality systems that exist in the factories making these knock off products? Factories that are illegal, even in China, that come under no license, government control or oversight. Its not the active ingredient to be of concern, its the filler they use with the active ingredient. I once heard a story about boycotting a popular fastfood restaurant because employees were caught spitting on the food. The factories that make this stuff could have the employees shitting in the Vat, and what about rats, insects.

I suspect much of this stuff does come from China, but the quality control systems would be no different in an illegal factory in the Philippines. Then too, it is suggested the newbie engage in a transaction for drugs (which if so provoked, the police could charge him for) with someone he does not know on the street.

I am not out to sell on behalf of the drug companies, could not care less, but would really recommend if buying the knock off stuff, do it through someone at the bar or hotel that can at least ensure the stuff through experience. Just getting a guy off the street, who knows what you are getting. Then for those of you that are health concious in every other facet of your life, eat healthy, then put a pill in your mouth with no understanding or information on its origin, how it was produced, what are the "inactive" ingredients, what quality system, and buying it from a street urchin. So many will say, they do it and have no problem, drugs are recalled in most western countries when there is a one in a million bad reaction, want to cite the incidents and clinical trials on knockoff product bought on the street? Again, all of these products can be bought, without a prescription at any local pharmacy in Angeles. So too can antibiotics if you fear taking a little friend home to the wife or girlfriend.

[X Man]

Thanks for the interesting and informative reply RM. I hope no one from Pfizer read your post...you may have given them a very devious idea

BTW, I drink tap water. In Tokyo the public water utility argued that their water was just as good/maybe better than the bottled water. It may have been a publicity stunt at first, but they turned on the tap, put their water in a bottle, and put on a price tag. Apparently people buy the stuff.

http://inventorspot.com/articles/tok...ater_sold_5412

So, to get back on post, if you are a cheap Charlie, or have balls of steel, eat monkey meat sold on the street and buy chemicals for your dick from shady guys. Then get drunk and walk down dark streets during the witching hour. Life is an adventure! X

Hi X, nope I don't work for Pfizer, but I did work for a water utility for many years,

SNIP
You seem to me to be a bit of a suspicious and cynical guy, so why do you think that the producers of the generics sold on the street care about their reputation (why would they? They use fake packages) and that they would spend any money on cleanliness (why should they bother?).

Actually, if I really were from Pfizer, my advice to them would be to put some really really bad shit in the generic market using a third party - heh!

SNIP

Why do you think that the generics are made in any more sanitary conditions than the street stalls? Why on earth would the producers of these fakes spend the money? What profit is in it for them to make their products in clean factories - that takes money? Why spend that money and reduce their profit? As long as the packet 'looks' clean at point of sale, and there is enough active ingredient to give a buzz, why would a generic manufacturer worry about anything else?

[Rubberyman]

C'mon Rubberman, isn't that a bit over the top? If you work for Pfizer, come clean.

I like to walk and have walked after sunset the Field's / Perimter route numerous times - both dirrections. It wasn't to save money. Jeepney is 6 pesos --that's a tough one because I usually leave all change under the pillow for the maid.

Trike is 50 -- wow, breaking the bank on that one. BTW, never had the slightest of problems walking. In AC, I've had more problems dealing with stupid, drunk Westerners inside bars than I've ever had with lurking Filipinos on a dark street.

Generic dikpopper medicine from India works, whether you order it online or just get the drop from a Filipino street seller. Never had a problem here either except for those street sellers who shoot for the moon and /or hard sell when you are walking with a gal. With a gal...why does that irritate me? Lack of respect?

Rubberyman....what did you eat and drink today? You trust those companies? Of course you do...because you have no other choice.

Put the pedal to the metal Toyota customers!

X

Hi X, nope I don't work for Pfizer, but I did work for a water utility for many years, and one of my jobs was checking on the production of those bottled water companies locally. Disgusting mate. The bottles looked great, the water looked great, but the conditions of bottling were shite. We closed them down more often than not. They would clean the place up so they complied and then start again. However, because someone was checking, they were clean at least half the time.

What that told me is that unless somebody has a reputation to uphold, and someone is checking all the time, people who produce stuff tend to cut corners. It's why in the Phils etc you expect to get shitty guts unless you do some evaluation of whatever you put in your mouth.

So, I equate using generics with eating at street stalls. And if you had ever seen the conditions of most water bottling companies (in the first world I might add) which were unsupervised and didn't have a big brand name, you would have zero confidence in their cleanliness and quality control.

You seem to me to be a bit of a suspicious and cynical guy, so why do you think that the producers of the generics sold on the street care about their reputation (why would they? They use fake packages) and that they would spend any money on cleanliness (why should they bother?).

Actually, if I really were from Pfizer, my advice to them would be to put some really really bad shit in the generic market using a third party - heh!

Also, I had hoped to make it clear that I thought it was just a risk evaluation process - if people want to use it, by all means. However, to think that the ingredients are checked (even the filler could be bird shit for all anyone knows) or that the conditions of production are sanitary is fairies at the bottom of the garden stuff.

What did I eat and drink today? Well, not from a street stall. But I know plenty who have, most of whom have survived and even enjoyed that food, and tell me I should try it, there's nothing wrong with it etc etc. But I still ain't gonna eat from a street stall.

I'm a wuss, I know. :)

Why do you think that the generics are made in any more sanitary conditions than the street stalls? Why on earth would the producers of these fakes spend the money? What profit is in it for them to make their products in clean factories - that takes money? Why spend that money and reduce their profit? As long as the packet 'looks' clean at point of sale, and there is enough active ingredient to give a buzz, why would a generic manufacturer worry about anything else?

[GregLondon]

Can anyone tell me about DIA is this a dating site or a bar in AC, I will be in town end of the month for a week, if anyone in AC pm me for a drink.

Fast Eddie 48

It's a dating site http://www.dateinasia.com/

Its main advantage over its two main competitors, http://www.blossoms.com/ and www.filipinaheart.com/ is that whereas those are subscription sites, DIA is totally free though it has more basic functionality. Theoretically its pan asian, though in practice 80% of the girls are from Phils as of course they are on the net much more than other asian girls as their English is better.

Though I've had good luck with it even in Angeles, it's probably true to say that it is least effective in Angeles than just about anywhere else in Phils because in Angeles a girl who is open for a quickie with a foreigner is more than likely working for a bar. Unlike in Thailand the bar girls in AC are much less likely to play outside the bar fine system as such "sneaking out" is often spotted as the tourist area of AC is such a small place and if that gets back to the bar owner the girl will probably be heavily fined or fired.

[Youngster420]

Pacific Breeze ended up taking my next day reservation. Finally here! BF'ed one the night I arrived and another during the day today. Thinking of BF'ing one more for the night.

[X Man]

C'mon Rubberman, isn't that a bit over the top? If you work for Pfizer, come clean.

I like to walk and have walked after sunset the Field's / Perimter route numerous times - both dirrections. It wasn't to save money. Jeepney is 6 pesos --that's a tough one because I usually leave all change under the pillow for the maid.

Trike is 50 -- wow, breaking the bank on that one. BTW, never had the slightest of problems walking. In AC, I've had more problems dealing with stupid, drunk Westerners inside bars than I've ever had with lurking Filipinos on a dark street.

Generic dikpopper medicine from India works, whether you order it online or just get the drop from a Filipino street seller. Never had a problem here either except for those street sellers who shoot for the moon and /or hard sell when you are walking with a gal. With a gal...why does that irritate me? Lack of respect?

Rubberyman....what did you eat and drink today? You trust those companies? Of course you do...because you have no other choice.

Put the pedal to the metal Toyota customers!

X

Nah, just save yourself a few paltry dollars and put stuff in your body you haven't a clue what the ingredients are or the cleanliness of the factory that made it.

For a few bucks?

Oh well. To each his own.

There are people who will walk back from the perimeter at night just to save a trike fare.

Up to you if the $$ is that important. Good luck.

[Rubberyman]

In which case it is clearly not fake.

Dont be taken in by the capitalist scammers who are just selling a logo or band name at an inflated price.

Nah, just save yourself a few paltry dollars and put stuff in your body you haven't a clue what the ingredients are or the cleanliness of the factory that made it.

For a few bucks?

Oh well. To each his own.

There are people who will walk back from the perimeter at night just to save a trike fare.

Up to you if the $$ is that important. Good luck.

[Fast Eddie 48]

uh oh. i hope this does not make ac the next pattaya.

there were times when i thought ac was such a pain getting to, especially with cebu pacific credit card hassles. less frequent flights. etc.

but that sort of makes it unspoiled.

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kuwait-based firm to develop airport

wednesday, january 6, 2010

clark freeport. a kuwait-based firm, almal investment company, has committed to develop the diosdado macapagal international airport (dmia) with a total investment of $1. 2 billion. clark international airport corporation

to poopbunny,

i have been hearing this rumor for the last few yr about the pi goverment like to developed clark to a major international airport and move the international airport in manila to clark.

the goverment want to save money to expanded and build a new airport in manila, i think is a bad idea just too far away from manila don't why anyone want to spend that kind of money in ac.

fast eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

Can anyone tell me about DIA is this a dating site or a bar in AC, I will be in town end of the month for a week, if anyone in AC pm me for a drink.

Fast Eddie 48

[Spook]

its fake but will probably have the correct active ingredient.

in which case it is clearly not fake.

dont be taken in by the capitalist scammers who are just selling a logo or band name at an inflated price.

[Betong]

uh oh. i hope this does not make ac the next pattaya.

i wouldn't start worrying about that yet, at least not based on all the supposed big plans we keep hearing about for dmia.

actually these days, from my part of the world, i already find it just as easy to fly into clark as manila. daily flights from both kl and singapore, and cheap too. now if air asia would just start that bangkok-clark service they keep talking about . . . .

[Blackangst]

Seems to me (speaking as a middle aged guy) that Laylow has made some more reasonable points than he has been given credit for.

I think women think about several issues when considering a partner: in order of priority:

1 immediate food rent and basic needs and if she has become addicted, drugs and alcohol
2 long term prospects for support
3 sexual fulfilment and attraction.

If she has no cash at all, No 1 is the overriding priority, if her immediate needs are covered then she starts thinking about no2 and if that is resolved then no 3.

For the typical Pattaya girl on beach road No 1 is the priority. In this case older guys are much preferred as they will generally pay up, and not fuck them too hard (so they can have more customers per day). Many of the beach road girls will not be at all keen on guys under 30 if they have a choice.

For most girls one meets in Phils, No 2 is the top priority. They are not concerned about how many times or how strongly guys fuck them because they dont get the traffic that the Pattaya beach road girls can get. Most Phil girls will conclude that the chances of a Western guy under 35 wanting to settle down and marry them are close to zero as such guys have so many other choices sexually, so they will generally target guys over 35 who they figure are better prospects for a long term meal ticket.

Many of the top end gogo or bar girls have got priorities 1 and 2 covered. they are making say 30,000-70,000B a month so 1 is not a concern. In many cases they have a couple of suckers in Europe sending them 10-20,000 a month if they promise to be a good girl. So after a quick bar fine and short time they head out to the discos with their friends and are often willing to give a freebie to a young handsome western guy (a) because they may find him attractive and like the way he fucks and (b) because being seen with such a guy is a high status simple amongst their friends. Alternatively, maybe 50% of the girls in Pattaya have young Thai boyfriends, often the moto riders to whom they give free sex and maybe half their earnings in return for supposed love but in fact more typically, being treated like shit.

In the West, the availability of decently paid jobs or social security means that the majority of girls have 1 covered. The legally and socially imposed monogamy means that they are not all competing for a slice of a few rich and wealthy guys (as is the case with the relatively small number of foreigners in the phils), this means that 2 can be more or less set aside during her 20s and she can concentrate on factor 3. ie looking for handsome guys of a comparable age to herself.

Greg

For the most part I agree with your comments; however, your 3 points can be said for just about ANY woman in ANY country. My comments were directed I guess as to laylow's incorrect statements as to age vs freebies.

[Poopbunny]

Bought a box of same on the street in angeles yesterday for 1000 p...10 pills

Seemed to work...result not stronfer than the 20 mg I buy in the states.

Anyone else try this stuff?

Did a on line search-I don't see it advertised anywhere.

Best

Five10

Its fake but will probably have the correct active ingredient.

Not sure about 50g ones. I have seen them sell like a bulk 50 or 100 tab, not sure about those either. From memory, 1 box 20mg x 4 pills should be about 200p.

To minimize any rip offs, buy 1 sample packet and tell the vendor you will be back for more if it works. When buying multiple packets, get him to take it out of the box to check he's not selling you an empty box.