Angeles City

[Amjeck]

ie they really lust after pinoys, so a young and fit western guy has only marginal advantage over an old western fart.

In the p4p scene or outside of it?

[Amjeck]

The girls may be of negotiable virtue (thank you Reveler), but this does not mean they do not deserve respect. They are persons earning a living and should be treated as such.

Respect is earned! If they earn it, I give it. If they do a good job, then they are rewarded.

Remember their job is to serve us and EARN our money. Too many people don't understand this concept.

[Un Le70]

I know this is going to sound a little pedantic, so please forgive me.

Obviously money plays a big part. They would not be doing it for free with any westerner young or old - if what you see as their fantasies are in the romance books on sale in the mall.

I agree that money is important - the 'no money, no honey' rule applies obviously.

However, as many many posters here have pointed out, the ladies do NOT have to go with everyone and anyone. The ladies OFTEN exercise that right - even if they are diplomatic and say they are cherries or on mens (sometimes it is even true).

So if it was ALL about the money - why would they knock back job offers - especially from young guys?

The reason I am harping on this is that if someone goes to the PI on a noob trip and thinks it is all about the $$$ and that's ALL it is about, he will end up tripping on his dick for the first few nights wondering WTF.

Even if you have money, you will very often get a knock back if you don't treat the ladies with respect.

So money important - yes, without it you get nowhere. But ALL about money - no, even if you have heaps, you may miss out with the wrong approach.

My own experience is that even though some guys pay less in the way of tips, and are older and uglier than the average, the deciding point is often the respect they give the ladies. Treat them as if money was all it is about, and you will find your experience is not enhanced at all.

One of the aims of this board is that people don't have to learn that lesson the hard way in the PI.

I guess you can make some connection between this behavior and the global Philippino culture. Give you an example:

In the Philippines the salary is paid TWICE per month (every two weeks) and not just once. One reason is that the employers cannot be trusted to still be there by the end of the month (so the risk is reduced), but the other reason is that the typical Philippino will take ALL the money he gets and spend it on the day he gets it. He will buy gifts, go drinking, have fun, and enjoy life. The next day he will go to find someone to lend him money to pass the next 2 weeks.

This gives you an idea on what is important to the average Philippino. It's the quality of life NOW and not some planning of the path into the future (which calls for SAVING money). This for example, is completely different than the Chinese way of thinking, where quality of life means NOTHING and the future living is EVERYTHING!

Connect it to the comments about what the WGs will prefer and you'll understand that they are looking for having fun, while somehow maintaining their family and themselves. They will be happy with just the minimum amount of money that they need for their expenses, and then choose only those work tasks which give them some pleasure and quality of life.

As for Cherries, I once had a girl at DH which was a cherry girl (also according to her card and her mamasan). She was strongly asking me to BF her, but she said clearly that she's not ready to break her cherry yet. She said we can do everything I want, just cannot have full sex. Bother her mamasan and myslef did not feel 100% comfortable about this, so I refused (and she almost cried). I made it up to her with 3 lady drinks.

UN LE70

[Koperen Ko]

I know this is going to sound a little pedantic, so please forgive me.

My own experience is that even though some guys pay less in the way of tips, and are older and uglier than the average, the deciding point is often the respect they give the ladies. Treat them as if money was all it is about, and you will find your experience is not enhanced at all.

One of the aims of this board is that people don't have to learn that lesson the hard way in the PI.

Very true, and this not only oes for the Phillipines.

I browse the phillipine forum just out of curiosity, having mostly experience in Indonesia, but I recognise a lot. The girls may be of negotiable virtue (thank you Reveler), but this does not mean they do not deserve respect. They are persons earning a living and should be treated as such. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.

Regards,

Ko

[Rubberyman]

Let's get real folks, it most definitely all about the money. :)

I know this is going to sound a little pedantic, so please forgive me.

Obviously money plays a big part. They would not be doing it for free with any westerner young or old - if what you see as their fantasies are in the romance books on sale in the mall.

I agree that money is important - the 'no money, no honey' rule applies obviously.

However, as many many posters here have pointed out, the ladies do NOT have to go with everyone and anyone. The ladies OFTEN exercise that right - even if they are diplomatic and say they are cherries or on mens (sometimes it is even true).

So if it was ALL about the money - why would they knock back job offers - especially from young guys?

The reason I am harping on this is that if someone goes to the PI on a noob trip and thinks it is all about the $$$ and that's ALL it is about, he will end up tripping on his dick for the first few nights wondering WTF.

Even if you have money, you will very often get a knock back if you don't treat the ladies with respect.

So money important - yes, without it you get nowhere. But ALL about money - no, even if you have heaps, you may miss out with the wrong approach.

My own experience is that even though some guys pay less in the way of tips, and are older and uglier than the average, the deciding point is often the respect they give the ladies. Treat them as if money was all it is about, and you will find your experience is not enhanced at all.

One of the aims of this board is that people don't have to learn that lesson the hard way in the PI.

[Laylow3]

Really, it is only rich young Pinoys that have an advantage. And they get as much pussy as they want without going anywhere near AC.

yeah, that should read -> "Really, it is only RICH people that have an advantage." but isn't that everywhere not just the P.I.. If a guy is in the minute category then he can stay where he is, no need to travel thousands of miles to get it.

You can kid yourself that late 50 or in 60 male means something more to a 20 year old women than a 20+ male, but the truth is it is called money. There are other common sense reasons, at 60+ you pop once sure maybe takes longer but then you sleep longer, a 20 yr old male will go all night. These girls know this, you will probably repeat for a few days. This does not apply to all but in general, these young women are very very smart and wiser to the game in AC compared to the average 50 - 60 year old male. smile

Agreed 100%. If ya don't agree then it's probably to make yourself feel better but who cares anyway. We're all getting older by the day anyhow. Just the fact that we, young and old, are all together chasing young sexy girls is testimont. Are you older gentleman chasing after old ass women?? I know none the young fellows I know are NOT. Ok then you honestly think it's different for women just because you all MAYBE can still go the distance? Let's get real folks, it most definitely all about the money. :)

[Rubberyman]

You can kid yourself that late 50 or in 60 male means something more to a 20 year old women than a 20+ male, but the truth is it is called money. There are other common sense reasons, at 60+ you pop once sure maybe takes longer but then you sleep longer, a 20 yr old male will go all night. These girls know this, you will probably repeat for a few days. This does not apply to all but in general, these young women are very very smart and wiser to the game in AC compared to the average 50 - 60 year old male. smile

Of course - but in AC that is really a theoretical proposition. Because there are only so many ladies you can do per night no matter how good or hansum man you are. What does it matter if a young guy could pull fifteen ladies per night compared to my ten (let's say)? Nobody I know could ever service the number of available ladies no matter how 'hansum man' they are.

The point you make is quite correct - the ladies do expect an easier time with an older guy. That is why there is no problem with older guys getting these women. What happens in the room however, maybe something else. Who can tell? It is also a reason for some frustration expressed by some younger posters here. They see old farts pulling spinnners - sometimes who have just rejected the younger guy - and get all surprised.

However, if you think it doesn't feel just as good to an old fart when he CIF/CIM etc etc as it does to a young guy - well, just wait and you will get your chance to compare when you get older yourself. :)

Really, it is only rich young Pinoys that have an advantage. And they get as much pussy as they want without going anywhere near AC.

[SuperSteve]

IMHO................

Life is what I choose to make of it.

I am one of the old f*rts (62). I am generally the oldest of the group of guys that I travel with. So far we have been to Costa Rica, Medellin, TJ, and now my first time in the PI, with Peru and possibly LOS (if the flight to PI doesn't kill me).

Many, if not most, of the younger gentlemen (LOL) have a hard time keeping up with me. That is both good, and bad. It means that I probably drink too much, so have built up a tolerance.

As far as the ladies go, it can be a big plus. The think that because of my age, I will be quick. As many have said, "No es Verdad". I'm as much of a dog as I was in my twenties. Put a smoking hot, hard, body in front of me, and "Houston, we have lift off"!!

My last trip to TJ, two weeks ago, I went arriba with one of the Adelita dancers, and lets say no lube was needed. My next trip to TJ will be Superbowl weekend. If anyone would like to meet up, PM me.

If one has money in their pocket, and understands what a woman enjoys in la cama (they are all different), age has no bearing on what happens when naked.

Would they like it more if I was twenty something, possibly. Yet I see mongers in all destinations that have the deer in the headlights looking at hot women. There is no way that they can out perform me in la cama, due to their own insecurities.

Feel free to flame me, I have on my asbestos shorts toady!!

Health & happiness to all.............

[Strikesfun]

You can kid yourself that late 50 or in 60 male means something more to a 20 year old women than a 20+ male, but the truth is it is called money. There are other common sense reasons, at 60+ you pop once sure maybe takes longer but then you sleep longer, a 20 yr old male will go all night. These girls know this, you will probably repeat for a few days. This does not apply to all but in general, these young women are very very smart and wiser to the game in AC compared to the average 50 - 60 year old male. smile

[Sharka]

I'm wanting to meet freelancers in Angeles City.

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First, I don't recommend going this route while in AC because they could be more trouble than anything else. More chances of theft, and possible set up for a "sting" to get more money from you. If you read back a bit, you will find that even established ladies from some established bars have occassionly ripped off some mongers so just think what a FL can do.

Shark

[Rubberyman]

I second that! I have never ever believed any of the mumbo jumbo that some posters state when they say that age or looks isn't a factor in AC or in the PI in general. Money talks but being young and handsome works wonders as well I would think.

Well, I am late fifties, balding and overweight.

Never ever have a problem pulling in girls around nineteen - twenty age, slim, cute looks. Maybe one or two don't pass the 'interview' or politely decline, but never really had a problem - and a much better strike rate than when I was in my twenties, had hair and was fit and trying to pull in civilians. Oh, and I don't pay high tips either - normally only trike fare for overnighters and clothes/presents for long termers. (obeying the three day rule of course).

But then I never try to barfine from the DH groups. Oh, and don't assume they want younger guys there either - just check out the excuses they come up with posted by many different posters on this board - not all of whom are old farts like me.

You can just confirm what I say by going to the mall and having a look at the romantic books they read - all of them show young PINOYs on the cover. ie they really lust after pinoys, so a young and fit western guy has only marginal advantage over an old western fart.

The advantage that most of us old western farts have over younger guys is often that we treat the ladies with more respect.

If you think that you will do better by going to the more expensive places where the ladies get paid so much they can be really choosy, then that is fine. However, I bet your success (or otherwise) rate will be just as good elsewhere.

On my last trip, for example, I met this Aussie on an old age pension (which sucks) who had just moved into Angeles. He had a beautiful 18YO move in with him within a week. Poor sod. Doesn't he know he could have a different one every night?

[Elmo99]

Can anyone recommend a reliable place to get a full range of STD tests in Angeles? I know there are lots of clinics around, but I've heard stories of foreigners being fleeced with possible false positives and having unnecessary overpriced meds pushed on them and obviously want to avoid these scams.

Try Dr de Guzman. He works at the Community Medical Service. Blue sign. Go from Japanese Restaurant NIJI direction Friendship.

[Laylow3]

Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but, being in shape relative to one's age and, clean and interesting does carry some points with the girls.
Happy hunting!

I second that! I have never ever believed any of the mumbo jumbo that some posters state when they say that age or looks isn't a factor in AC or in the PI in general. Money talks but being young and handsome works wonders as well I would think.

[Frank4220]

EWR is included for every female in the bar. NO exceptions. They don't go because they are getting paid well and don't need to go. Most of these girls don't want to sell ass, Its just a necessity for most. They just want to make decent money or find a gold mine by marrying a foreigner. I can't blame them for saying no to alot of the guys. Too many of the guys are old, out of shape, looking to disrepect the girls.

Spotlight dancers make 340 a day. That is more than any Mall worker or McDonald/Jolleebee worker. If they get 1 or 2 LD's in a day along with their pay they are well off. They can afford to turn down guys and only go with the guys they want to got with.

Agreed! Even the regular girls are free to decide who they sleep with. I was in a perimeter bar recently where a guy became irate when the girl declined his offer. Apparently he was under the impression that none of the girls can say no. They are free agents despite working where they do.
Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but, being in shape relative to one's age and, clean and interesting does carry some points with the girls.
Happy hunting!

[Sleepy Floyd]

Can anyone recommend a reliable place to get a full range of STD tests in Angeles? I know there are lots of clinics around, but I've heard stories of foreigners being fleeced with possible false positives and having unnecessary overpriced meds pushed on them and obviously want to avoid these scams.