Angeles City

[ThatGuy865]

1. Every time you go to a bar you need to order atleast one drink. It is not mandatory but the news spreads around pretty quickly that you are a cheap wad.

2. The waitress will definitely have an attitude because no drink = no tip.

3. If you call a girl from the line up how do you break the ice without nursing a drink?

4. If you do not order a ladies drink for her immediately the cash machine in head will go off thinking there will be no tip.

5. All these girls are there not only to make money from barfine but also from lady drinks. Besides I believe they have a quota to fill. Her job depends on it unless she is georgeous.

Typical night romp will cost,
Min 4 drinks for you = 400 pesos
If you go for happy hour = 200 pesos.
Lady drinks- min 4 = 600 pesos.
Bar hopping drinks = 800 pesos
If you take her to a disco = 600 pesos
Buy food at night = 500 pesos
Buy breakfast = 400 pesos
Tip for the girl = 500 pesos

So a typica GFE night will cost with barfine = 4000-6000 pesos

Total for a day and night activities for you including food, accomodation and fun = $150-$200 US minimum.

Why do you include drinks for yourself. Thats not the ost for the woman. Guys would drink whether they P4P or not.

Most take the girl straight to the room and get busy. No bar hopping, no dinner, no disco.

Very few guys take their P4P to skytrax. You added that in like its the normal venue. If you ever went in there you'd realize theres very few mongers inside. Mainly locals and young "hip hop wanna be's" at that. Also you forgot about ST's where you can take a couple of hours to tag that ass, if you don't want to spend the night with the girl. For a mere 700 pesos = $15

I don't drink before usually 9pm or 10pm. Only because I'm a lite weight and can't drink alot. So I start later than most. You can call a girl to your table and yes buy 1 LD will do. Thats it, thats all. Some times I have bought 2. But not often, especially since I don't drink a lot and nurse my drinks. So we are talking $3 to $6.

I Often tell the babes to come to my room after their shift is over, so you don't have to pay the total bar fine. Or if they are irresistably fine. I will bar fine. 1300 pesos = $30 if they come by after the shift, I'll give them 500 to 700 pesos. = $15

Meal. Mention Jolibee's and they jump for joy $4. Or. Since I rarely eat in hotels, and know my way around the city. I know places for decent food for $5

Tip. I NEVER NEVER NEVER tip more than 200 to 300 pesos top.

Total night of bissfull entertainment, meal and tip comes to = $50 tops ROADDOG style.

I have many expat friends, we usually bar hop together and you won't see them blowing money like a tourist. I've learned from them. You don't have to try to impress these women with cash.

800 pesos, jolibees in their belly, along with sleeping in an air con room, and a hot shower is hitting the lottery for these girls. And believe me when I tell you. I have girls waiting for me each and every time I return. So they are just as happy as I am.

Now I'm not advocating this for everyone. But this is how Roaddog rolls when I'm in AC.

[Poopbunny]

Although you can just go to a bar and barfine a girl for
Typical night romp will cost,
Min 4 drinks for you = 400 pesos
If you go for happy hour = 200 pesos.
Lady drinks- min 4 = 600 pesos.
Bar hopping drinks = 800 pesos
If you take her to a disco = 600 pesos
Buy food at night = 500 pesos
Buy breakfast = 400 pesos
Tip for the girl = 500 pesos

- I usually only have 1 drink (not 4) - 95p (rarely during happy hour)
- Lady drink - usually 1 or 2 (potential girl, sometime the waitress/mamasan if they give advice for selection) but could be more.
- I don't bar hop that much, I usually do a recon, walkout then go back to the bar with the girl I most likely want. At most 2 bars - 1 or 2 drinks.
- Disco - from memory Skytrax was only 150p
- Breakfast was about right for hotel room service at Lewis Grand
- Tip - yes 500 max (less or none if in the rare occasion I don't get sex in the morning)

plus
- 20p for the visiting peanut vendor
- 50p (each way) tip for the free car service hotel driver (still cheaper than crappy trike)

- for the girl on my last night and if she stays till the morning and gives good service, I transfer unused prepaid Smart SIM credits to her phone (which would otherwise expire before my next trip)

[Sammon]

Although you can just go to a bar and barfine a girl for 1300 pesos and take her to your room and have wild sex all night, this rarely happens.
Reasons
________

1. Every time you go to a bar you need to order atleast one drink. It is not
mandatory but the news spreads around pretty quickly that you are a
cheap wad.
2. The waitress will definitely have an attitude because no drink = no tip.
3. If you call a girl from the line up how do you break the ice without nursing
a drink?
4. If you do not order a ladies drink for her immediately the cash machine in
head will go off thinking there will be no tip.
5. All these girls are there not only to make money from barfine but also
from lady drinks. Besides I believe they have a quota to fill. Her job
depends on it unless she is georgeous.
Typical night romp will cost,
Min 4 drinks for you = 400 pesos
If you go for happy hour = 200 pesos.
Lady drinks- min 4 = 600 pesos.
Bar hopping drinks = 800 pesos
If you take her to a disco = 600 pesos
Buy food at night = 500 pesos
Buy breakfast = 400 pesos
Tip for the girl = 500 pesos

So a typica GFE night will cost with barfine = 4000-6000 pesos

Total for a day and night activities for you
including food, accomodation and fun = $150-$200 US minimum.

[Any Hole]

Yeah Genghois you are absolutley right, I always give good tips in the bars to the waitresses of my fav bars which are Dolls House, Crystal Palace, Blue/Golden Nile, and they always weed out the best girls for my taste, and I don't get the persistant lady drink pressure

When I say good tip I mean 200 peso or so, not much for me but a fortune for them from one punter.

I love AC I think it just gets better and better, the choice at xmas gone was awsome, it was just dripping with the attractive pussy.

Durring the day I supplement my time with a few dates on DIA.

[Genghois]

We can all agree that AC isn’t a perfect place… but where is? And it’s still my favourite place for mongering, though I can never take more than four or five days at a time before I move on to other parts of the Phil for some more challenging hunting.

You guys are spot on that it how much fun you have comes down to your own attitude. If that particular poster under discussion shows a similar attitude in the bars as he does in his posts, it’s little surprise that he didn’t enjoy himself. I’ve had trips to AC that were less than successful, but it was due to my own attitude, and being too stressed out from work to just relax and have fun. AC is definitely a place where you should just throw your real life away and regress to some simpler, less intellectual, less philosophical version of yourself. Just let it hang out. Pinays are a fun-loving bunch. If you’re not willing to have some fun with them, your attractiveness will suffer.

I’m not an easy guy to please, and always go for the beauties. But you can always get what you want, with sufficient patience and bar-hopping. As has been said so many times, use the waitresses (and the mamasans, but less so) to avoid the cherry girls and get the girl you want. I find that the absolute highest success rate comes from finding a fun waitress or two and buying them a drink. They get you going, keep your spirits up and help you out with the lovelies. I was in one of the big show bars on Fields (Atlantis? I can’t remember) last October, sitting by myself and being totally ignored, as the mamasan brought one girl after another for the inspection of a Japanese guy at the next table (who already had one girl with him). I got up and moved to another table, twenty feet away, and had two great waitresses, who couldn’t do enough to please me. And my takeout for the night was a gorgeous and spunky little spinner who kept me very happy for the next twelve hours.

(Although it must be said that the highlight of that trip was a spectacular five girl BJ in the corner of one of the Burgos bars in Makati. Talk about letting it hang out! Hehe! Well, and there was also…)

I’ll be back in late-April. And I’ll keep coming back. I can’t believe it’s still over a month away!!

[X Man]

I've really enjoyed the posts by Ekspat, but I want the facts...nothing but the facts.

Can a pretty girl make more on drinks than the barfine? Hmmm.

One scenario presented is that she drinks all night and then barfines when things get late. Smart girl. A good-lookin gal can play that game and do very well.

But where I want to nitpick is the comment "Within this time they can make more money with LD than a complete BF". Hmm, how much does she make on the drinks and how much on the barfine. Half? I don't remember.

But what's missing from this equation is that a lot of gals look forward to the newbie who wakes up in the morning after having the best sx of his life and wonders how much to give. There's a good reason why they ask, "how long have you been in the Philippines?"

Even a few of the crusty old Philippines regulars, like myself, have our hearstrings pulled a bit (penal arteries?) which loosens up the wallet.

On average, I will make a safe bet that on average, beautiful women DO NOT make more on barfines in four hours than they can make on barfine plus tips.

Of course a beautiful woman can make more than enough to survive on ladies drinks - she doesn't have to prostitue herself. She'll barfine a guy she truly likes, or a guy she truly believes to be generous (which is a guy she convinces herself she truly likes).

Oh, and back to the AVERAGE, I think we should include "permanent" barfines into the math, but NOT INCLUDE the money from those guys who get hoodwinked into buying houses or businesses.

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I'm tired. Just got back from a very active two day holiday in Hakone, in the futon and out, so not sure if I'm still on track from the beginning of my message.

OH, Ekspat, last time I was in a st room, it was large, fairly clean, and the gal was .... amiable. Absolutely the best two hours I've ever spent on Perimeter. Twist my arm and I'll send the pics.. some of which were already posted about two years ago. Not sure if that room still exists, but I can tell you the girl disappeared. She claimed not to have a phone nor an email, and I suspect and hope she's happily with someone right now. I hope he can handle her!

X

Matius: "The girls make their "big" money by the barfine."

Not entirely true, Matius. Depends on the quality of the girl.
The prettier girls make the most of their money with LD.
Many refuse your offer of BF at 8pm, but will go with you at 12am.
Within this time they can make more money with LD than a complete BF.

Sammon: "There is no such thing as St (short time) . One barfine which is supposedtobe for all night..."

Of course there is ST in AC. Between 700 and 900ps.
Sometimes the bars have rooms behind/upstairs (small, hot and dirty)
or you take the girls for 2 hours in your room.
No problem at all.

Otherwise barfine her and agree with her on ST,
then she leaves after some hours.
Who cares about a difference of 400ps?

Cheers!

[Ekspat]

hey ekspat! are those pictures of the girl i saw you with on my last night?

the boobs yes, i think so.
the other pic was a later catch of the day, on friday.

cheers!

[Poopbunny]

ayoooo, another cracking week in ac ended,
and back into office! :(

several barhoppings with bro poopbunny,
always fun and we had a great time.

usually st in afternoon, around the hotel,
emotions, gentlemens, sunshine etc.
several times jf. none of stampede this time. ;)
evening partying in fields. sort of that happened.

looking forward to jakarta next.
looking forward to ac again in may!
life is nice di ba?

cheers!

hey ekspat! are those pictures of the girl i saw you with on my last night?

anyway my report later...too much work to catch up to.

[Ekspat]

Matius: "The girls make their "big" money by the barfine."

Not entirely true, Matius. Depends on the quality of the girl.
The prettier girls make the most of their money with LD.
Many refuse your offer of BF at 8pm, but will go with you at 12am.
Within this time they can make more money with LD than a complete BF.

Sammon: "There is no such thing as St (short time) . One barfine which is supposedtobe for all night..."

Of course there is ST in AC. Between 700 and 900ps.
Sometimes the bars have rooms behind/upstairs (small, hot and dirty)
or you take the girls for 2 hours in your room.
No problem at all.

Otherwise barfine her and agree with her on ST,
then she leaves after some hours.
Who cares about a difference of 400ps?

Cheers!

[ThatGuy865]

Great job.

No. 1. I very seldom sit down until I am comfortable I want to stay. Additionally, I always ask at the door if it is ok just to go in and look around, this way no hard feelings if you don't buy a drink.

Don't try this at Insomnia. The mamson came out and tried to publicly ridicule me for not biying a drink. She started calling me "Cheap Charlie" and said I should stay home (US). I told her, loud enough for everyone to hear, that if I stayed home skanks like her would starve. That really set her off. Out of work. Never went back.

I wouldn't take it personal. Forget what they think. Because there might be just that special one next time you poke your head in.

Everyone does the same thing. Especially to the small bars on fields. Walk in. Look around. Scan the stage. If the babes are fugly, doing that side to side zombie dance, I turn around and leave. Who wants to waste their time unless the babes are giving you some extra attention wink wink.

[HenryV]

Great job.

No. 1 - I very seldom sit down until I am comfortable I want to stay. Additionally, I always ask at the door if it is ok just to go in and look around, this way no hard feelings if you don't buy a drink.

Don't try this at Insomnia - the mamson came out and tried to publicly ridicule me for not biying a drink. She started calling me "Cheap Charlie" and said I should stay home (US). I told her, loud enough for everyone to hear, that if I stayed home skanks like her would starve. That really set her off. out of work.

Never went back.

A great newbie guide for sure. I would add
for #4, if you spot a girl, ask your waitress if she is a cherry girl or not, this cuts down on you finding out when the girl is in front/besides you and removes the need for you to refuse buying any cherry girls a ladies drink (unless you are looking for a cherry girl, which most guys are not).

For #7, there are also a new classification being used in Golden Nile, these are the waitresses and tequila girls and their bar fine is P2,000
I would also note that many of the spotlight dancers (P3,000) are of similar quality and many lower quality than those found in other bars with bar fines of P1,300 or so)

for #9, its best to lay out what you will be wanting during your interview process with the girl(s). Doing this will (and has for years for me personally) reduced the chances of me being ripped-off and makes for a better overall experience. Do not be shy to talk about the issue (remember this is their job)

For #10, Choosing your bar carefully will help reduce your chances of being ripped off by a runner or early leaver. Every bar has a reputation, sticking with the ones that have pro-bar fine girls employed there will go along way with benefiting you. Should you have a problem, the general rule of thumb for ac bars is that once you have done anything sexual (read if you penetrated or she blew you) you are out of luck. In the past 9-12 months, I have personally noticed that there has been an escalation that is negative in nature towards the customer at many of the Fields bars and the bar owners have been more accepting of taking the girls side of issues/problem leaving the customers out of luck. Again going by a bars reputation will go along way in helping reduce your exposure to this.

[Pyjama]

#3882
Seems there was "glasses-day". I LOVE women with glasses!!

[Robbaf]

Ayoooo, another cracking week in AC ended,
and back into office! :(

Usually ST in afternoon, around the hotel,
Emotions, Gentlemens, Sunshine etc.
Several times JF. None of Stampede this time.
Evening partying in Fields. Sort of that happened.

Looking forward to AC again in May!
Life is nice di ba?

Cheers!

Very well said Ekspat; I also just ended my week in AC and already planning my next trip. Sounds like we had the same travel agent:D Started everyday at 2 and made the most of my trip.

Robb

[X Man]

Great post Sammon.

A lot of people will feel the need to add to your list. I sure do.

But I'll restrain myself to just one...

somewhere between points 2 thru 4....

order a drink, note the price, smile at anyone cute, try not to be bored to death by the usual name/country/hotel questions, ask her/them questions and educate yourself about the Philippines....

Hmmm, maybe that isn't just one point.

X

1. Enter the bar of your choice. Immediately you will be seated and asked about your drink of choice.
2. Look around at all girls including dancing girls , waitresses, mamasans.
3. Sometimes some girls will come and chat with you. They will ask for a drink.
If you like to buy them a drink the charge is 150 or 300 pesos in most bars.
Just say no if you do not want to buy them a drink. It is ok.
4. Start searching for your type of girl. If you find one ask your waitress to
call that girl. The girl will come and sit with you.
5. When you call the girl it is customary to buy her a drink.
.

[Acfreddie]

1. Enter the bar of your choice. Immediately you will be seated and asked about your drink of choice.
2. Look around at all girls including dancing girls , waitresses, mamasans.
3. Sometimes some girls will come and chat with you. They will ask for a drink.
If you like to buy them a drink the charge is 150 or 300 pesos in most bars.
Just say no if you do not want to buy them a drink. It is ok.
4. Start searching for your type of girl. If you find one ask your waitress to
call that girl. The girl will come and sit with you.
5. When you call the girl it is customary to buy her a drink.
6. There are some girls who are "virgins". They are on sale for highest bidder
to deflower them. You can check on this by talking to the waitress or
mamasan.
There is a big debate whether these girls are really virgins which I am not
going to get into. Most young Philippino girls bleed in sex because of the
western penis size or if the lubrication is not enough. Is it an indication
of virgin status? I do not know.
Anyway if you want to deflower the girl the cost is anywhere from 20,000-
100,000 pesos. This is negotiated between you and the girl. Girl gets all
the money but you need to pay the bar before for safekeeping.
7. If you want to take the girl with you it is called barfine or EWR ( early work
release ). The cost is 1000-1500 pesos for many girls. There are spotlight
dancers whose barfine is 3000 pesos.
Just ask the waitress or mamasan and pay.
8. If you do not like the bar or girls pay for drinks and move to the next bar
and repeat the process.
9. It is a silent understanding that your barfine includes sex and companion
ship for the night. You can take her to barhop, dancing or straight to
your room. You are in charge here.
But my advice is if it is not too late take her bar hopping and dancing at
disco. This will kind of break the ice and sex will be better.
10.
There is no such thing as St (short time) . One barfine which is supposedtobe for all night although if the girl leaves after one time sex there is
nothing you can do.
Remember you paid for her EWR only.
If the girl refuses sex at all you can complain to the management of the
bar and try to recoup your money. I have never done that so cannot
give advice.
11. There are literally more than a thousand bargirls in AC. You will always
find the one which you like best.

A great newbie guide for sure. I would add
for #4, if you spot a girl, ask your waitress if she is a cherry girl or not, this cuts down on you finding out when the girl is in front/besides you and removes the need for you to refuse buying any cherry girls a ladies drink (unless you are looking for a cherry girl, which most guys are not).

For #7, there are also a new classification being used in Golden Nile, these are the waitresses and tequila girls and their bar fine is P2,000
I would also note that many of the spotlight dancers (P3,000) are of similar quality and many lower quality than those found in other bars with bar fines of P1,300 or so)

for #9, its best to lay out what you will be wanting during your interview process with the girl(s). Doing this will (and has for years for me personally) reduced the chances of me being ripped-off and makes for a better overall experience. Do not be shy to talk about the issue (remember this is their job)

For #10, Choosing your bar carefully will help reduce your chances of being ripped off by a runner or early leaver. Every bar has a reputation, sticking with the ones that have pro-bar fine girls employed there will go along way with benefiting you. Should you have a problem, the general rule of thumb for ac bars is that once you have done anything sexual (read if you penetrated or she blew you) you are out of luck. In the past 9-12 months, I have personally noticed that there has been an escalation that is negative in nature towards the customer at many of the Fields bars and the bar owners have been more accepting of taking the girls side of issues/problem leaving the customers out of luck. Again going by a bars reputation will go along way in helping reduce your exposure to this.