Angeles City

[HumbleHal]

As for the girls. I advise that you all make sure that after the girl agrees to leave with you that she commits to staying until the morning. Many girls will want to leave after one pop in spite of the agreement. In that case they have forfeited any claim for a tip. If you are attractive the girl may indeed stay with you. That was the case when I was attractive but I am no longer attractive looking only distinguished looking and that won't sustain any interest with these girls.

I have been at bars when a girl returns from leaving her barfine after a only a short absence from the bar. It seems like the girls compete to see spends the least amount of time on a barfine; who can do the shortest short time. No, don't tip a runner.

I no longer ask a girl to do long time. Does not matter if they agree to stay until morning, they probably will try to be a runner and sneak out once you pop anyway. Normally their cell phone rings and they come up with well rehearsed emergency excuses: "My baby needs milk, is sick, grandmother in the ER of Hospital, etc. " Short time is the only way to go now days. If you like her after short time then you can re-negotiate a long time price, etc. And only pay at 8 am. If they want to leave earlier they do not get anything more.

[Mr Enternational]

I've been watching a few YouTube videos and noticed a big '24 Hour Massage' place about halfway down Fields Avenue, opposite Kokomos. What's the deal? Is it a setup like Sabai Dee in Pattaya?

There is not a soapy in Angeles.

[Sir Lancelot]

I'm beginning to research a trip to Philippines for early 2023. It will be my first time back for seven years and I'm excited to return. Diary incoming, you have been warned.

I've been watching a few YouTube videos and noticed a big '24 Hour Massage' place about halfway down Fields Avenue, opposite Kokomos. What's the deal? Is it a setup like Sabai Dee in Pattaya?

[NapaSlapper]

Trying to put a price on freelancers is impossible every girl is different.

Yes it might be possible to get a freelancer to stay with one long time for 2,000-3000 pesos but please note that these girls that are willing to stay long time for small amounts of money do not have the looks of the body to ask for any more.

Know of many freelance friends that demand 3,000 pesos per hour, no exceptions and because there are very few girls that have the looks the youth and the body to be able to have guys fighting over their time and willing to pay the bigger money, so why would such girls want to spend long time with customers when they can service three or four customers per day at 3,000 per time.

Talk of the nicer looking girls accepting less money and staying for longer periods because she likes a customer is just not true, prostitutes are in the business of making the most money in the shortest possible time, they certainly are not in the business of liking customers and giving discounts when there is absolutely no need to.

Sorry to destroy the dreams of many but pay smaller money and expect long time then one will not get a girl in demand want a younger slim attractive girl then paying her asking price and accepting her terms is the only way she's going to drop her panties.

[The Rose]

I've been watching many YT vlogs and reading many ISG posts on AC in anticipation of my 1st visit to PH in July. Almost all of the posts here and on YT lead me to think that unlike P Burgos / Makati, the BF paid in AC bars includes full service with no additional tip REQUIRED. Though a small tip of 100-300 pesos is typical for good service.

Now I just saw the linked Vlog below. This vlogger went into several Walking street bars and recorded BF, Mamasan tips, and lady drink costs in addition to what appears to be a mandatory additional fee of 1 k pesos when the girl leaves your room. Can anyone verify if this is the current (I suppose we can call it "Post-COVID) practice and expectation?.

Tipping is a topic often covered on ISG and it is a source of contention among ISG members. Tipping is a western practice and it is pernicious. Unfortunately some westerners can't shake off the practice and deliberately want to introduce into the PI. I am a minimalist as regards tipping. I will tip my housekeeper at the hotel to get early service and extra towels.

As for the girls. I advise that you all make sure that after the girl agrees to leave with you that she commits to staying until the morning. Many girls will want to leave after one pop in spite of the agreement. In that case they have forfeited any claim for a tip. If you are attractive the girl may indeed stay with you. That was the case when I was attractive but I am no longer attractive looking only distinguished looking and that won't sustain any interest with these girls.

I have been at bars when a girl returns from leaving her barfine after a only a short absence from the bar. It seems like the girls compete to see spends the least amount of time on a barfine; who can do the shortest short time. No, don't tip a runner.

[DzikaBomba]

Yes, it is cheaper to get freelancers. But most of them are not a LT deal. Bargirls generally stay with you whole night if they like you. If they like you they might stay with you when they are off work. Long time ago they use to get into trouble but nowadays bars have less control on their free days.

I can't agree to that. I was in AC until yesterday and all the FL I meet seemed very desperate and no one rushed to leave.

But I think this will change soon when the Koreans are back in larger numbers.

I had even one Who Just come in the evening and did not left ne for 2 days until I kicked her out.

This not happened to me in 2019.

But even then I had several LT with FL.

[StudBucket]

QUOTE from Sammon

"Yes, it is cheaper to get freelancers. But most of them are not a LT deal. Bargirls generally stay with you whole night if they like you. If they like you they might stay with you when they are off work. Long time ago they use to get into trouble but nowadays bars have less control on their free days. "

I am going to disagree with the statement that most Freelancers are not a LT deal. Every freelancer just about I have stayed with in Angeles in over 10 years has stayed with me all night long. Just have to give them an extra 1 k pesos normally so instead of 2000 or 2500 for short time, I give them 3000 for long time.

[Expat American]

I wrapped up my AC visit (first one since 2018) and here are some of my thoughts, observations and opinions.

1. If you are dreaming of the old AC of cheap sex and wild bars, it is no longer the same place. If you consider it as a reasonable cost destination with lots of available pussy, and with BBFS still the standard, it is a good place to go. Most bars have reopened and there are plenty of girls. Tourists picking up but still many bars were empty.

2. There are pretty girls. There are also fat and ugly (fugly) girls. ID say the ratio of pretty girls is about 30%.

3. Attitudes vary. The consistent high GFE and LT that used to be the case is no longer so. You have to pick more carefully. Interestingly I found my best hits at small Korean owned bars. It helps to go more than once to the same bar. Once they know you the mama san or papa san will steer you the the best girls. Here I did find high GFE pretty girls who stayed all night.

4. Cost: Lowest BF was 2200 on Perimeter and 2900 in Walking Street area. Average was about 3500. ST bars were asking 1500. FLs were all happy with 1500, some may accept less. Ladies drinks have defaulted to a "double" at 300 Peso each. Your own drink will be between 75 and 150 Peso each.

5. So is it worth it? Well it depends. I spent 5 days in AC and a week diving and it was a 3. 5 hour flight for me. So in that context it was a good trip. But would I spend 24 hours and 2 K USD on a ticket just to go to AC? Probably not. As a stop over on an extended PI holiday its probably fine.

[Expat American]

Recently opened.

I was there at 11 am.

Near Brown Sugar.

1st drink is free.

2nd drink beer was 100 php.

Lady drink beer 300 php.

BF 3 k.

Yes I was there as well. First beer indeed free. Ladies drink came with a lot of high mileage grab and tickle. Not a lot of girls there but has potential.

[Goferring]

....Many of them did work in the bar, got pregnant and no choice but to be freelancers. When working in the bar there are strict rules regarding working hours, capacity to make money for the bar etc.....

There are many reasons why girls might drop out of the bar circuit. Some may of their choosing and others not.

I've known several girls become so popular with regular, high spending customers that the bar served no purpose and it actually cost them money to go to work. It made a lot of sense for them to go freelancing.

Alternatively, some girls just get sick of the bars rules. Less of the case now that girls have so much bargaining power but previously they weren't allowed to use phones, minimum drink and BF quotas etc. Some of the penalties were harsh and it wasn't unheard of for a girl to owe the bar money at the end of the month due to fines and mixed quotas.

At the other end, girls are often told to leave due to poor attitude or customer complaints. I knew a pole dancer who was stunning but bat shit crazy. She soon became such a liability for the bar that she was shown the door. The same can happen to girls that get banned from popular hotels or have too many fights with other girls.

Probably the most concern to mongers is issues with drugs or communicable illnesses that can't be cured. Unfortunately, it's not a pretty industry and it's not uncommon to see girls affected by either.

Cheers. G.

[Sammon]

Dude they all have mama sans. How do you think naive province girls end up in Sin City? As for the location, trust me, everyone who has been here even once knows where to find them. And those living here like the authorities definitely know. This place is 100% sex on sale everywhere anyway. So what difference does it make if I specify a location?

Yes mamasans introduce them to the trade. Once they start working in the clubs they are very happy making money. Some get disillusioned and leave. Those who stay in Angeles make friends and freelance or work in whatever available jobs and on the side hook. Whole cottage industry of freelancers has grown up around Balibago. Some disillusioned mamasans started to manage these girls. You can see many of these girls walking up and down aimlessly looking for somebody to start chatting with them. Many of them did work in the bar, got pregnant and no choice but to be freelancers. When working in the bar there are strict rules regarding working hours, capacity to make money for the bar etc. Mamasans may come across as sweet but I have seen them to act with a iron hand.

Yes, it is cheaper to get freelancers. But most of them are not a LT deal. Bargirls generally stay with you whole night if they like you. If they like you they might stay with you when they are off work. Long time ago they use to get into trouble but nowadays bars have less control on their free days.

[Big Kahuna]

Recently opened.

I was there at 11 am.

Near Brown Sugar.

1st drink is free.

2nd drink beer was 100 php.

Lady drink beer 300 php.

BF 3 k.

[DzikaBomba]

Dude they all have mama sans. How do you think naive province girls end up in Sin City? As for the location, trust me, everyone who has been here even once knows where to find them. And those living here like the authorities definitely know. This place is 100% sex on sale everywhere anyway. So what difference does it make if I specify a location?

Maybe you are right. I understand your Point. But not all are coming from province.

Some are living close. There province is here. Like the independent FL I fucked this morning for 1 k.

They doing this for Sure on their own, without pimp.

Given the negligible cost in savings compared to the sheer lack of numbers and quality ID giving Thailand the advantage.

Who cares? Then go to Thailand and the Phil Mongers will be happy when you are not here. Less competition for us.

Have fun in Pattaya. Bye.

[Eequalsmc2]

Dude they all have mama sans. How do you think naive province girls end up in Sin City? As for the location, trust me, everyone who has been here even once knows where to find them. And those living here like the authorities definitely know. This place is 100% sex on sale everywhere anyway. So what difference does it make if I specify a location?

My 2 cents on this matter is I have been using the dating apps s a test bed to see what is available and market rates.

Pattaya I get plenty of choice for 1000 baht up to 1500 baht with plenty of now condom options and girls are very attractive at that price point. (30-45 usd).

Angles very few girls are of sufficient attractiveness and I have thrown out the 1000 p ST with a 2000 counter and when I saw 2 shot no condom they finally accept. So it is my opinion that the price precovid of 1000 p St to the girl directly is still available. But when you are dealing with mami like in this scenario then the girl would be getting 500-700 p hence her displeasure hence the prices are around 1-1500 p (20 -30 usd).

Given the negligible cost in savings compared to the sheer lack of numbers and quality ID giving thailand the advantage.

[Expat American]

The Best solution is not to take girls from pimps. I hate that shit.

IT would be better when you offered the pimp 500 p And then later the girl 1000 p.

Believe me this would work out.

But Best to take independent Freelancers and give them 1 k.

They are enough from them, but online and they are happy with 1 k.

One visit me today morning 7 am to take care of my morning wood.

IT was great.

(I'm not Sure if this was a good idea to post openly where we could find them. Not Only mongers are Reading here).

Dude they all have mama sans. How do you think naive province girls end up in Sin City? As for the location, trust me, everyone who has been here even once knows where to find them. And those living here like the authorities definitely know. This place is 100% sex on sale everywhere anyway. So what difference does it make if I specify a location?