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08-18-20 05:56 #26671
Posts: 399Ermite & Angeles
To me what is happening in Angeles is rather like what happened in Ermita many years ago.
The causes were very different, the results the same.
In Ermita, it was booming with bars, restaurants and hotels all running at capacity.
Along came a politician who closed it all down to 'improve' the area.
What followed was Ermita becoming a squatter area dangerous at night over many decades.
Empty bars were taken over by squatters.
Even after several decades and the moving on of the 'enlightened' politician, it is very slowly improving but still a really miserable dirty area.
Now switch to 2020 and the virus replaces the politician.
Same process.
Bars close, hotels built go, restaurants close and like Ermita the low life move in as things go dilapidated.
Ermita taught us that after a close-down shock, recovery is virtually impossible.
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08-18-20 03:16 #26670
Posts: 3396Originally Posted by Dg8787 [View Original Post]
Personally, I think military bases, foreign mine startups etc show that where ever monied guys are then girls will naturally arrive. That then feeds an ever expanding loop as more guys, girls and tourists are attracted.
I guess that the opposite is also the case: when guys cease arriving the girls and business infrastructure soon collapses in on itself.
Cheers. G.
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08-18-20 02:48 #26669
Posts: 540Originally Posted by Kazeu [View Original Post]
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08-17-20 23:35 #26668
Posts: 516Bar girls
I don't know about you, but bars are the one thing that seem to be on the decline. Over the past 10 years or so, I've seen many bars close but only seen new hotels / condos and restaurants open up in angeles. I feel like for every bar that closes, there have been new 3 hotels and 3 restaurants built. Obviously this is not the direction that I had hoped for.
Originally Posted by Dg8787 [View Original Post]
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08-17-20 23:28 #26667
Posts: 516Myself
When I speak I speak only for myself but I imagine I'm not the only one that thinks this way. If I am, I stand alone and corrected, I'm happy its much better for all you out there. But in my opinion Its crap compared to what it used to be. I don't know how the Koreans or the Chinese feel about it. I imagine its better than what they got back in Korea, but it could have been better for everyone. Instead they decided to come to angeles and make it just like Korea.
Obviously there are winners and losers to all changes. Things change over time. I know that. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it and praise the way it is now.
Originally Posted by Dg8787 [View Original Post]
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08-17-20 23:18 #26666
Posts: 3261Originally Posted by Kazeu [View Original Post]
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08-17-20 23:10 #26665
Posts: 516Parties
I have received word that there are still parties going on in Angeles. The people I heard this from said that they were not allowed to take pictures at the party for fear of them getting posted to social media.
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08-17-20 23:08 #26664
Posts: 516Explanation
Unfortunately the mods decided in your favor and removed my original post as well as my explanation, but your quote of my original post still remains. As long as that remains, I believe I deserve to explain it, that it was not meant sincerely. I don't want war just so I can go mongering. But I do believe that the koreans changed angeles city permanently and I do not hide my opinion that it was not for the better. In the same fashion I do believe that the chinese have really hurt the experience of tourism. Travelling is completely different than it was 10 years ago.
Originally Posted by RedKilt [View Original Post]
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08-17-20 23:02 #26663
Posts: 3261Originally Posted by Torrents [View Original Post]
Whether anyone agrees or disagree doesn't matter. Respectfully your opinion doesn't matter. Presently there are no Covid19 economic recovery experts around. Unless mongers here put their money where their mouth is, their opinions mean nothing. Including mine.
Fields will recover or it will not recover. Time will tell. Fields alway had to have one ingredient to survive. Bargirls. Without bargirls there would be no tourist. No tourist no need for hotels. Every business there relied on bar girls. No one would like to believe or acknowledge that Fields would be nothing without bargirls. Most people looked down on the BGs without realizing that they exist because of them. Police lived high off of the payoffs.
No one respected the bar girls. Bargirls kept many mouths fed there. Now it is gone. Hopefully it is temporarily. Just like everywhere else we have not seen the economic fall out. Give 6 months and we will see a horrendous amount of bankruptcies. Fortunately we will see risk takers opening places back up.
My fear is the corrupt hands out from city hall and police units will kill any initial recovery, not the lack of bargirls and tourist.
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08-17-20 22:20 #26662
Posts: 1Is Fields Avenue finished as an entertainment venue?
I have been watching Youtube videos of the current situation in Fields Avenue (aka Walking Street) and nearly everything is closed down. I was due to stay at the Royal Amsterdam Hotel later this year which obviously will not happen thanks to Covid-19. However, in more than one recent YouTube video I noticed a 'For Sale' sign on the front of an obviously deserted hotel building. So I do not expect to ever see my one night's deposit ever again.
What I find interesting is that the hotel's website appears to be 'business as usual' and hotel booking sites such as hotels.com still allow users to book at hotels in the vicinity such as Amsterdam or Queens or others that are definitely not open now and not likely to open up again. IMHO. So, I would advise anyone who is or was planning a trip to Angeles City this year or next to be extremely cautious about your hotel booking and definitely be extra cautious about booking and paying direct to the hotel rather than one of the major booking sites which will refund customers for cancelled bookings. Also, be wary of 'special offers' and 'unmissable room deals' as promoted by a hotel that may no longer exist. Even though its website seems to be fully functional.
At this time, I cannot envisage most of the hotels in and around Fields Avenue opening up again after tourist travel is allowed back to Angeles City. This is because the hotels need the tourists and the tourists need the entertainment venues to be open. However, the entertainment venues need the tourists in order to reopen and the tourists need the entertainment venues and the hotels to be open. So it is akin to a Catch 22 situation. Also, bearing in mind how much damage was previously done to Fields Avenue tourism by the police raids and the huge price increases and a number of mismanaged bars, what will be the future attraction of the place to investors? I personally find it very difficult to envisage how the Fields Avenue area can ever reopen as a bona fide monger destination. I hope I am wrong.
Do any BM's disagree with my pessimistic outlook?
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08-17-20 05:25 #26661
Posts: 516[Racial Epithet(s) Deleted by Admin]
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08-17-20 04:29 #26660
Posts: 3230Originally Posted by Kazeu [View Original Post]
I am surprised the mods allowed it.
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08-17-20 01:09 #26659
Posts: 516Ponytails FYI
Even before the wuhan virus hit, ponytails was already closed when I was in angeles back in March. All the girls had already been moved to some bar on walking street.
Originally Posted by Streetlooker [View Original Post]
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08-16-20 20:38 #26658
Posts: 399Reality
Originally Posted by ManonsanBoy [View Original Post]
So many travel, entertainment & hospitality businesses of all types worldwide are going bankrupt and do not expect bars to get bailout money!
I suspect also that permits to eventually reopen will be delayed indefinitely.
I am sure also many hotels are having a very hard time staying financially viable as they have ongoing maintenance, utility costs, building / renovation debts.
All this is so sad as I really enjoyed AC so much, but I have to say AC costs have gone up significantly, quality fallen and service deteriorated (behavior; LT became ST). I saw the same deterioration in Thailand over many years.
I have now re-engineered. I have upgraded quality dramatically for the same expense. Amazing fun out there if one thinks outside the box. Just do not sit around hoping old AC will be back. It won't.
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08-16-20 18:04 #26657
Posts: 711Poneytails
Originally Posted by Streetlooker [View Original Post]