Angeles City

[John Clayton]

...I am currently in a country where 12-15 dollars is standard for LT. I am not willing to name it because I want it to stay that way as long as possible before too many one week millionaires come along and fuck it up.

SE.

You have to at least post a photo of one of the girls or it's not true.

[Engine Driver]

The K bars have a different market and maybe would be a different experience for the Koreans.

As long as the girls strike the pose below every few minutes, the Koreans continue to get spontaneous orgasms. Everyone is happy. Move on. Nothing to see here

[SouthEaster]

Mr. B has no issue with paying over the top, but as he says it's his money. He would also claim that it has no impact on the prices in the local market which may be true if he was the only one doing it. Unfortunately, he is not. The girls in Darlin Darlin wouldn't have dreamed of asking for a hundred bucks until someone started offering it. Now it is standard (or more! The funny thing is he also claims he is subsidising those of us who wish to keep prices a little more sane. Where this twist of logic comes from I have no idea!

I am currently in a country where 12-15 dollars is standard for LT. I am not willing to name it because I want it to stay that way as long as possible before too many one week millionaires come along and fuck it up.

SE.

[Mr Enternational]

Yes, AC still is a great VFM destination for me. Where else can I think of paying under $100 for an all-nighter with cute 23 yo?

Seeing that I have never in my life paid anywhere near $100 for an all nighter with a 23 year old cutie... Thailand, Brazil, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Peru, Ethiopia, Kenya, Madagascar, the list goes on.

[Kazeu]

I usually tip 500 pesos; always short time; they always leave before 2 am. The girls always seem to be happy with it. Yes, I know some people will say that is too much. But, oh well. That gift of the extra tip makes me feel good. Sorry Mr. E.

The girls all say they love Korean soap operas, K-Pop, and Korean food. Main thing is the family. People write that you marry into the family when you marry a Pinay. Same cultural thing with the Koreans. Besides that, I guess I'm not too familiar with the cultural similarities / differences.

I didn't get that feedback. But I didn't do the double blind study.

Sounds like you tip pretty well. I will tip 500 after a long time. If they were good. 200 after short time if they are good. My short time is pretty short. Often under an hour. I don't want some girl sticking around for longer than she needs to. I agree with MR E. That you are tipping too much, but whatever, its your money, spend it on what you will if it makes you happy.

I didn't do a study either. I just go by what I hear and see and also what I know about their culture.

Marrying into family is pretty common among most asian cultures.

[GreenBud]

I don't know how much you tip, but they tip more than me.

I usually tip 500 pesos; they always leave before 2 am. The girls always seem to be happy with it. Yes, I know some people will say that is too much. But, oh well. That gift of the extra tip makes me feel good. Sorry Mr. E.

I don't think Korean culture and Filipino cultures are not very similar at all. I'm not sure why you would think that.

The girls all say they love Korean soap operas, K-Pop, and Korean food. Main thing is the family. People write that you marry into the family when you marry a Pinay. Same cultural thing with the Koreans. Besides that, I guess I'm not too familiar with the cultural similarities / differences.

The big thing is the money. Koreans pay more,

I didn't get that feedback. But I didn't do the double blind study.

[Sxxxx]

- IMO, Koreans do not tip more than the average tourist. Why do guys think that? Because the popular girls at the large bars reject them?

- Many of the Koreans are on the young side. Millennials are the worst tippers. They probably make less than the average tourist. Koreans are the worst tippers at the bars; ask any waitress.

- I talk to many of the girls. I ask them why they prefer Koreans. They never say it's because of the extra tips. If it was about the extra tips, then wouldn't the girls ask how much extra tip the monger will give? Most of the girls do not discuss tips with the customer.

- One of the most common answer is because they relate to the Koreans more, similar culture, etc. Maybe it's because a lot of the Koreans are young. They also agree that sex is easier with the Koreans. Koreans usually like straight sex. Koreans usually do not ask for BJs, lesbian shows, or any of the other stuff I like. LOL!

- Girls like it when they go eating and drinking with the Koreans. The girls always laugh at the 3 3 3 joke.

At last, someone who has got it right / correct re Koreans.

Its got nothing to do with paying more, its because of the relevant facts pointed out in the post above, viz, "Young" , "sex easier" , "relate to Koreans" (Asians, flips SE Asians), eating and drinking ie "socialise". Hard core pounding for the same money with relatively overweight guys old enough to be their Daddy / Grandpa? No, not if the girls can avoid it. The more attractive girls have choice, and naturally choose the easier way to earn the same money. Koreans.

GreenBud is the first one I have seen who understands why the K's get the pretty ones.

But are the prettier ones, a better fuck? That is the question. I doubt it.

[Kazeu]

- IMO, Koreans do not tip more than the average tourist. Why do guys think that? Because the popular girls reject them?

- Many of the Koreans are on the young side. Millennials are the worst tippers. They probably make less than the average tourist. Koreans are the worst tippers at the bars; ask any waitress.

- I talk to many of the girls. I ask them why they prefer Koreans. They never say it's because of the extra tips. If it was about the extra tips, then wouldn't the girls ask how much extra tip the monger will give? Most of the girls do not discuss tips with the customer.

- One of the most common answer is because they relate to the Koreans more, similar culture, etc. Maybe it's because a lot of the Koreans are young. They also agree that sex is easier with the Koreans. Koreans usually like straight sex. Koreans usually do not ask for BJs, lesbian shows, or any of the other stuff I like. LOL!

- Girls like it when they go eating and drinking with the Koreans. The girls always laugh at the 3 3 3 joke.

I don't know how much you tip, but they tip more than me. I've heard its quite common for Koreans to tip a girl 1 k. Agreed they are shitty tippers at restaurants. Restaurant tipping is not part of their culture. That's something I actually agree with.

Millenials may make less than the average tourist, but they're most likely in angeles for a much shorter time then westerners. They're a 4 hour flight away. They can come for a long weekend and blow all they're money in a few days. Westerners are flyign 15 to 20 hours and probably staying 2 or 3 weeks in the Philippines to make the long flight worth while. The spending patterns are different.

Girls are shy talking about money. Most of these girls don't consider themselves prostitutes. They won't ask about extra tips. But they know koreans pay more. I don't think Korean culture and Filipino cultures are not very similar at all. I'm not sure why you would think that. The big thing is the money. Koreans pay more, but caucasians speak english. Thats the complaint I always hear about Koreans, its hard to communicate with them. Girls get bored sitting around while their guy drinks and talks in Korean to all his buddies.

[GreenBud]

- IMO, Koreans do not tip more than the average tourist. Why do guys think that? Because the popular girls at the large bars reject them?

- Many of the Koreans are on the young side. Millennials are the worst tippers. They probably make less than the average tourist. Koreans are the worst tippers at the bars; ask any waitress.

- I talk to many of the girls. I ask them why they prefer Koreans. They never say it's because of the extra tips. If it was about the extra tips, then wouldn't the girls ask how much extra tip the monger will give? Most of the girls do not discuss tips with the customer.

- One of the most common answer is because they relate to the Koreans more, similar culture, etc. Maybe it's because a lot of the Koreans are young. They also agree that sex is easier with the Koreans. Koreans usually like straight sex. Koreans usually do not ask for BJs, lesbian shows, or any of the other stuff I like. LOL!

- Girls like it when they go eating and drinking with the Koreans. The girls always laugh at the 3 3 3 joke.

Where else can I think of paying under $100 for an all-nighter with cute 23 yo?

Colombia!

[Dg8787]

6. Higher bar fines. I feel like an old man saying this. But "I remember when. " the bar fines on walking street were 1800! And it really wasn't that long ago.

5. Korean restaurants opening instead of bars. Sometimes I feel like for every 2 bars that close, 1 korean restaurant opens. I rarely see new bars open, just close and name changes every few years.

4. Horrible K-Pop music all night in Skytrax. If its not K-Pop its see-Pop. Thank god for high society.

3. Seeing Koreans making it rain 20 pesos bills in the Atlantis. My god that's a perfectly good barfine there. I don't think I've seen this done by anyone else but koreans.

2. Korean vans. They come. They look. They take all the good looking girls. And they're gone before you can say "Oppaaaaaa".

1. Rejection at the Korean only bars.

I wanted to list 10, but couldn't think of any more. So it can't be all that bad I guess. \12484_ Enjoy!

On the other hand:

1. Korean food is actually pretty good.

A. The only thing constant is change.

[Member #4698]

I don't think we disagree on most points. I think its sucks as much as you. But its pretty clear to me. Koreans are the top tier choice for these girls.

I guess they don't agree with you that servicing all potential customers equally is a good business strategy. Theres a factors at play here and I've written about it in the past. Koreans have a reputation for paying well and not having much sex. Their caucasian counterparts have the opposite reputation, they want to have a lot of sex and tend to be cheap. That's one issue. The other issue is that Koreans are racist in general. They consider themselves above others generally and don't want others spoiling their women and thus managers may discourage the girls from going with any other races. I'm not saying this happens at all the bars by all the managers. But that's the general idea.

I agree with you that some girls have these stereotypes in mind and more importantly certain bars encourage this racial thinking, but what I am saying is that the smart girls know the truth that some Koreans can have a large dicks and last 60 minutes and some Westerners can have small dicks and last 3 minutes. A smart hooker knows that the only thing that matters is money. So if a lone Anglo customer walks into a Perimeter bar in the afternoon, a smart girl will get off her ass and focus her attentions on him. Time is money and a Farang bird in the hand is worth more than 2 Korean birds in the bush.

I also agree with your observation that some Koreans are racist. Some are pigs IMHO. Ha Ha. But the same goes for Farangs. I have been in plenty of bars and bordellos all over SE Asia where a truce is in effect and all groups can come to find the girls that they like, party, drink, and the girls do not discriminate because money is what counts. I guess the key to this is having the right kind of management.

Good points # 1, 2, 3, & 5. There is nothing we can do about #6 and I have gotten so use to #4 hearing lousy music in honky tonks that I no longer pay attention to it. Korean food IS pretty good, but I prefer Thai, Indonesian, Indian, Chinese, and Japanese cuisine. LOL. Some Korean girls are very attractive too. I have had the pleasure of doing a few in Macau. They were very expensive, but very, very sexy too.

Rock on!

[Kazeu]

6. Higher bar fines. I feel like an old man saying this. But "I remember when. " the bar fines on walking street were 1800! And it really wasn't that long ago.

5. Korean restaurants opening instead of bars. Sometimes I feel like for every 2 bars that close, 1 korean restaurant opens. I rarely see new bars open, just close and name changes every few years.

4. Horrible K-Pop music all night in Skytrax. If its not K-Pop its see-Pop. Thank god for high society.

3. Seeing Koreans making it rain 20 pesos bills in the Atlantis. My god that's a perfectly good barfine there. I don't think I've seen this done by anyone else but koreans.

2. Korean vans. They come. They look. They take all the good looking girls. And they're gone before you can say "Oppaaaaaa".

1. Rejection at the Korean only bars.

I wanted to list 10, but couldn't think of any more. So it can't be all that bad I guess. ¯\12484_ Enjoy!

On the other hand:

1. Korean food is actually pretty good.

[Golfinho]

Have you ever visited one of the dormitories where some of these girls live - 20 girls in a room? I have. It is very depressing.

Have you ever visited one of the homes in Samar where some of these girls lived whole extended family in a room? I have. Are dormitories more depressing than that?

[Kazeu]

I'm saying that they would probably would have given you more attention if you are korean. There for I assumed that you were not korean. Am I wrong on this point? Are you actually korean or of korean looking descent?

I don't think we disagree on most points. I think its sucks as much as you. But its pretty clear to me. Koreans are the top tier choice for these girls.

I guess they don't agree with you that servicing all potential customers equally is a good business strategy. Theres a factors at play here and I've written about it in the past. Koreans have a reputation for paying well and not having much sex. Their caucasian counterparts have the opposite reputation, they want to have a lot of sex and tend to be cheap. That's one issue. The other issue is that Koreans are racist in general. They consider themselves above others generally and don't want others spoiling their women and thus managers may discourage the girls from going with any other races. I'm not saying this happens at all the bars by all the managers. But that's the general idea.

I'm not saying that I like any of this. To me the korean invasion was the start of the downfall of angeles for me, but I still have a good time, I just don't barfine all that often and less likely so from korean oriented bars, even though I sometimes pass for korean.

The difference in attitude between Makati / Burgos is stark, but so is the difference in price. I'm more of a cheapie charlie myself, so I haven't been there in a while, but from what I've been readin on the boards, its somewhere around 3 k to the bar and 3 k to the girl in Burgos. I imagine if you walked into any of the bars and declared you were willing to part with 6 k for a girl, you'd get quite a bit of attentiveness. To be honest, if I had money I wouldn't go to angeles, I'd stay in Makati too and pull girls from Burgos. I don't think anyone of us is in Angeles for the culture of Clark Airfield Base or Walking street. Cheap barfines. That's what I'm there for.

So, you think I am not a Korean. HA HA. Maybe, but I am still not sure what you are saying. Are you saying I am not a customer? Or that I am not a customer of the preferred ethnic group? Or that it is strictly personal ie that certain girls in certain AC bars whom are not even very attractive "don't particularly care about" me? LOL. Look Kazeu, we are talking about a service industry; prostitution, and the girls that have decided for one reason or another to work in that industry, usually because they are very poor, have babies at home with no BF or husband to support them, or because they are trying to support their family, or pay off a large debt.

Here is my main point: it is in a bar girl's interest to service their customers or potential customers and do it the best they can. The successful girls generate repeat business, large tips, and are in high demand. They can make $5,000/ month or more just from hooking. Sadly, many AC bar girls barely make enough, especially in low season, meet their expenses. Have you ever visited one of the dormitories where some of these girls live - 20 girls in a room? I have. So it makes absolutely no sense as Blanquiceleste posted and as it has been observed by many others on these boards and elsewhere that "girls in some of the K-oriented bars give zero fucks about customers in the bar. They are sitting on the stage, some even lying down, all of them on their phones." I agree with that observation because I have seen it in certain AC bars, but I have very rarely seen that behavior elsewhere. My conclusion is that I think it's pretty stupid and counterproductive behavior on the part of the girls. I also think it is a sign of a very badly run business to allow their girls to act in such a childish, foolish way merely because the girls don't know any better. It is just bad business if the purpose of running a business is to maximize profits. It is also very counterproductive behavior for the girls.

By comparison just head over to Burgos Street or the EDSA Entertainment Complex in MNL to see how well trained, more sophisticated, professional, big city girls conduct themselves under proper management and with the right attitude. So what Blanquiceleste and I are talking about is a rather unique situation that has developed slowly over time in a number of AC Bars that are run by a specific ethnic group and seem to cater to that same ethnic group almost exclusively. If some of these ethnic customers like it this way, then I say they can have it. HA HA. It leaves the nicer, let's get it on girls for me to choose from in the good bars where I and other discerning mongers of any nationality prefer to spend our money. That's Discrimination Theory 101.

[Member #4698]

They just don't particularly care about you. I have pretty good feeling you are not Korean.

So, you think I am not a Korean. HA HA. Maybe, but I am still not sure what you are saying. Are you saying I am not a customer? Or that I am not a customer of the preferred ethnic group? Or that it is strictly personal ie that girls in certain AC bars who BTW are not very attractive "don't particularly care about" me? LOL. Look Kazeu, we are talking about a service industry; prostitution, and the girls that have decided for one reason or another to work in that industry, usually because they are very poor, have babies at home with no BF or husband to support them, or because they are trying to support their family, or pay off a large debt.

Here is the point of this post: it is in a bar girl's interest to service her customers or potential customers and do it the best she can. The successful girls generate repeat business, large tips, and are in high demand. They can make $5,000/ month or more from hooking out of a bar. Sadly, many AC bar girls barely make enough, especially in low season, to meet their expenses. Have you ever visited one of the dormitories where some of these girls live? 20 girls in a room with 1 fan & 1 window? I have. It is very depressing. So it makes absolutely no sense, as Blanquiceleste posted and as it has been observed by many others on these boards and elsewhere, that some "girls in some of the K-oriented bars give zero fucks about customers in the bar. They are sitting on the stage, some even lying down, all of them on their phones." So, I agree with the observation and the logic that criticizes it because I have seen it in certain AC bars and because I have very rarely seen that behavior elsewhere. My conclusion is that I think it's pretty stupid and counterproductive behavior on the part of the girls. I also think it is a sign of a very badly run business to allow their girls (employees) to act in such a childish, foolish way merely because the girls don't know any better. It is just bad business practice if the purpose of running a business is to maximize profits. It is also very counterproductive behavior for the girls to engage in. Yeah, I get it; they are bored and they don't like their job. So What!

By comparison just head over to Burgos Street or the EDSA Entertainment Complex in MNL to see how well trained, more sophisticated, professional, big city girls conduct themselves under proper management and with the right attitude. You will see that what Blanquiceleste and I are talking about is a rather unique situation that has developed slowly over time in a number of AC Bars that are run by a specific ethnic group and seem to cater solely to that same ethnic group almost exclusively. If some of these ethnic customer types like it this way, then I say they can have it. HA HA. Incidentally, I don't think very highly about many of the Koreans I see. Many are fools. In any case, this leaves the nicer, friendlier, let's get it on girls for me to choose from in the better bars in AC and MNL where I and other discerning mongers of any nationality including Koreans prefer to spend our time & money. That's Discrimination Theory 101.