Angeles City

[Banana Boi]

One thing I hated about Manila was the constant asking of tips. The doorman asked me for a tip at king queen and I just arrived. Tip for what! Needless to say I gave him nothing in and out. They add 10 percent to the bill for the servers and they still *****. Tip tip please. I'm glad to be done with that cesspool place. I even got asked for a tip at a Mongolian restaurant in California. They got their 20 an hour and they still ask for tips.

I stopped going to Montreal strip clubs because you tipped $10 at the door. Literally a couple steps in and you're tipping a coat check girl $5. Another few steps the bouncer sits you down at a table 10 feet away from where he's standing. If you try tipping him $5 he gives you a dirty look and holds his hand out for more. I'm $20+ down and I haven't even had a drink or touched a girl yet! Then if I want to touch a girl it's another $20 for VIP every single girl I take.

As for restaurants where I live it's 20-25% tip culture. 15% is now an insult so many put mandatory tips on the bill. People have stopped going to restaurants and all you hear in the news is how restaurants are wondering why no one eats at there place any more. I've considered becoming a waiter at a high end steak house. Did it when I was 18 and made next to nothing. Now I think I could pay off a new BMW within months.

but the one response your posts hasn't raised is why do you insist on going to AC at all? Ie why not just stay in Manila, specifically Burgos?

To see how it is. I'm always curious about new playgrounds. What I say isn't consistent to what I gravitate to. For some reason I seem to gravitate to the slums. In Jakarta I'd take Kota Indah over Malio. In Thailand I'd take Pattaya over Bangkok. In HCM I would take Pasteur over Bui Vien. In Germany, I'd take Mondial over Oase/Sharks. In all cases I find the stereotyped lower end places more fun.

[Goferring]

Just to clarify I'm not looking for things like iBar in Pattaya or Ipanema in Singapore. I'm looking for a gogo bar or strip club style where I sit there and go grab the girl that gets my attention.

I'm not too sure how literal your description of what you want is but the one response your posts hasn't raised is why do you insist on going to AC at all? Ie why not just stay in Manila, specifically Burgos?

I would put the AC gogos definitely in the same vein as Ipanema. I won't say there is no nudity or heavy groping but it's the exception rather than the rule.

Conversely, tits out groping and a fist full of pussy is completely normal at many bars in Burgos. There are several where guys getting a BJ doesn't even raise an eyelid. Shit, I've fucked girls onsite in several of the bars.

Add in the benefits of better English, no K only girls, no one shot runners etc and it sounds more to your liking.

If you want to look but not touch, then there are all the nearby regular freelancer clubs and bars too.

Perhaps something to consider.

Enjoy. G.

[GreenBud]

I'm looking for a gogo bar or strip club style where I sit there and go grab the girl that gets my attention.

Many bars like that. Although there is no nudity. Only some has bikinis. Just go buy the girl a ladys drink, and she will sit with you.

I did notice there were bars that had single drinks vs double drinks. Like buying shooters I would never pay double and buy a double drink. Just rules I have as silly as it may be. It's not the prices it's principle. 135-150 peso for a lady drink? $2.70 US? That's so cheap.

Poor write-up; I wasn't an English major. I meant the beers for yourself was around 135-150; less during happy hours; less in some second tier bars.

In the old days, the waitress would ask you if it was ok to get a double ladys drink, when the girl ordered a San Miguel Light. SML was a double; rum and coke was a single.

These days, places like Dragon bar only has one type of ladys drink (at around 280 or 300). No single or double. Insomnia still has single and double ladys drink. But now, the waitresses automatically bring the double ladys drink without asking. Not sure how many of the bars got rid of the single / double ladys drink. Assuming the Korean owned bars only has one type of lady drinks. These days, I just go with the flow and buy the double without asking if there is a single ladys drink. I feel like a cheap charlie if I ask for a single ladys drink.

Newbie to PI here. What does this mean?

He was trying to make a joke.

The Koreans were notorious for eating dog in the old days. But before the Seoul Olympics, the government "banned" the dog restaurants, and made them go underground. These days, eating dog is not as popular as it was before. And it is definitely not popular with the young people.

[Dg8787]

I have eaten dog before in the Philippines. Have the new neighbors opened any joints worth visiting for a quick snack?

What kind of bow wow dude?

[Dg8787]

You might beat them at barfine but you won't beat them at eating dogs. Don't even try.

Bow wow there really is no need to show how brilliant you are here.

[TjBrazil]

One thing I hated about Manila was the constant asking of tips. The doorman asked me for a tip at king queen and I just arrived. Tip for what! Needless to say I gave him nothing in and out. They add 10 percent to the bill for the servers and they still *****. Tip tip please. I'm glad to be done with that cesspool place. I even got asked for a tip at a Mongolian restaurant in California. They got their 20 an hour and they still ask for tips.

[Banana Boi]

It depends on your definition of the Korean bar.

5) The Korean bars (starting from the initial "invasion") brought higher prices and the elimination of single / double lady drinks. The mega bar like XS, I believe, charges 135 pesos for a SML; the small empty Korean bar charges 150. Don't like this aspect.

Not really sure what my definition of Korean bar is. Never heard of the term til I started reading this forum. People keep saying stuff like Koreans take the hottest girls. Since that's what I want as well I guess I'm looking for information on which bars I should go to. Just to clarify I'm not looking for things like iBar in Pattaya or Ipanema in Singapore. I'm looking for a gogo bar or strip club style where I sit there and go grab the girl that gets my attention.

5) I did notice there were bars that had single drinks vs double drinks. Like buying shooters I would never pay double and buy a double drink. Just rules I have as silly as it may be. It's not the prices it's principle. 135-150 peso for a lady drink? $2.70 US? That's so cheap. 3-4x less than in Little Japan in HCMC and a Thailand gogo bar. Are Manila lady drinks bout the same price or much more?

2) Go to Dragon at opening time at 5 pm.

3) I saw a cute girl at Soya at 12 pm. But she had a red ribbon on which indicated that she was already barfined. Go at opening time (I think it's 9:30 am). Check out the talent.

4) Go to the other Korean bars at opening time.

9:30 am opening time. I'm liking that. Not many countries where you have an option to grope girls so early in the morning, unless you took them LT.

Is that fact or fiction? Will the girls lose any business? Maybe from a few Korean ex-pats.

I don't know in PI but I go to Western strip clubs with Japanese and Chinese guys. They will not go with a girl if that girl has had dances with a black man and some will go so far as not going with a girl if they know the pimp is black. Asians not liking anyone other than Asian touching their girls could explain why in Korea and Japan so many clubs deny entry to Farang.

Look at the most successful FKK club in NRW, Goldentime. They were very specific that you had to be white skinned to get entry in to the club. They also allowed Chinese, Japanese, and Korean in. If you were black, Turkish, or even if you were Italian with tanned skin your chances of entry into Goldentime were slim. I asked many girls about this and the common answer was they chose to work at Goldentime because they only wanted to go with light skinned Farang and Asians were also OK because they treated the girls right.

You might beat them at barfine but you won't beat them at eating dogs. Don't even try.

Newbie to PI here. What does this mean?

[GreenBud]

Compare that with Korean bars where salary is 500-800, barfine 4-6 k and they get half.

I hope that was a mis-print. The Korean bars seem to set the trend for prices. I hope the barfine did not go up to 6 K. Hope it is still 5 K.

The Koreans frown upon "their" bargirls going with Farangs. So, the ladies are hesitant about being seen leaving the bar with a Farang, as the consequences may be unprofitable. You will eventually leave AC, but the bargirl has to work there after you are gone.

Is that fact or fiction? Will the girls lose any business? Maybe from a few Korean ex-pats.

That was correct in the old days. It is probably still true, but what extent? Just like the White Americans in the 80's and 90's (and probably somewhat true right now), many went crazy when white girls would do black guys. Still can't believe that White guy tried to kill Larry Flynt because he put a black guy and white girl in his Hustler magazine. Just because of that, rather than the porno filth he put out? Geez!

The Korean ex-pat percentage compared to the Korean tourist is small. IMO, the top girls in Angeles wouldn't lose any business. Those girls can barfine everyday with whoever they want. Maybe some of the marginal talent might get hurt. Not sure.

[GreenBud]

Which are the Korean bars?

It depends on your definition of the Korean bar.

My definition is:

1) It has a Korean owner.

2) It must have a Korean papasan; they need to speak Korean to the Korean monger.

3) The ratio of East Asians to Other (White westerners / Indian / Malays etc) customers is higher than the normal ratio. Not sure what the number is.

4) They usually play K-pop. And they usually open early; not always though.

5) The Korean bars (starting from the initial "invasion") brought higher prices and the elimination of single / double lady drinks. The mega bar like XS, I believe, charges 135 pesos for a SML; the small empty Korean bar charges 150. Don't like this aspect.

6) They also brought "classy" cocktail dresses. I much prefer the old bikini bars (like Lolipop and Insomnia; those are "ex-pat" bars). Most of the girls in cocktail dresses are moms. Also, don't like this aspect.

Korean bars are Dragon, Cosplay, Bad Boy, Soya etc. Many others. Not too familiar with the top quality in the Korean bars. I normally don't go there. I earliest I go out is either mid-afternoon or early night. Usually at that time, the Korean bars don't have top notch cute girls. I am assuming the Koreans came early and barfined all the best ones. Not sure.

I just want to meet the hottest girls possible anywhere I go. Sure it may not be as easy for me in a Korean bar but damn if I don't try to get the hottest girls in AC.

I don't normally try to get the "hottest" girls because I believe a 6 that doesn't everything is better than a 8 that does nothing.

To get the hottest looking girls in Angeles, I would do the following:

1) XS might have the best looking girls, especially the 'blacktaped supermodels" group. Many have sponsors; some are available. A waitress I asked told me, buy them a drink and try your shot. I don't like to waste lady drinks. You might be different. You know the drill. You can ask the mamassan. Maybe ask a more helpful waitress. Or call over the girl and ask them if they barfine. Most should be ethical and tell the truth. Once, I called over the second cutest girl (IMO). I brought her a drink. She said she had a sponsor that paid her 50 K per month.

2) Go to Dragon at opening time at 5 pm.

3) I saw a cute girl at Soya at 12 pm. But she had a red ribbon on which indicated that she was already barfined. Go at opening time (I think it's 9:30 am). Check out the talent.

4) Go to the other Korean bars at opening time.

By paying more how much more does a Korean pay a top girl in a Korean bar vs a Farang pays a top girl in a Farang bar?

You pay the barfine at both type of bars. Same MO.

IMO, overall, the Koreans do not tip more than the White Westerners. Obviously, some Koreans pay large tips, and make it rain. IMO, that is not a huge percentage. There is a large, large number of Koreans in Angeles. Many are normal like the White Westerners. There are numerous White Westerners that buy many lady drinks, ring the bell, and give nice tips. You sound like a good spender BB. You should be able to compete.

IMO, this avenue of conversation is funny. IMO, many White Westerner cannot fathom that the Pinay prefers other nationalities. How could they prefer East Asians over Whiteys? IMO, the White Westerner think there HAS to be reason such as money, tips, less work, small dick, free food, etc.

From my limited interrogation of the Pinays, they prefer the East Asians because they are culturally similar to them.

Note: Some Pinays will prefer, or only go out with East Asians. Especially at the Korean bars. Not sure of the percentages.

Definitely interested in your experiences in trying to get the best looking girls in Angeles.

[Jarango]

You might beat them at barfine but you won't beat them at eating dogs. Don't even try.

I have eaten dog before in the Philippines. Have the new neighbors opened any joints worth visiting for a quick snack?

[JordCo]

It's a dog eat dog world so don't let them beat you.

You might beat them at barfine but you won't beat them at eating dogs. Don't even try.

[Banana Boi]

There have been disagreements on the Board in years past regarding whether you should tip an AC girl or not. Argument for: You should tip for good service. Argument against: Any kind of tipping creates unreal expectations on the part of the girl that her future clients should also tip her also. Some gents always tip, some gents don't tip. I always tipped the then-current girlie tryke amount home of: Fifty pesos. An interesting argument for the pro-tip crowd was: If you don't tip the girl, she will remember you and report you as a cheap-charlie in her bar, thus limiting your access later. The opposite argument was also made by some gents: "I never tip, and never had any trouble getting the same hottie to re-barfine with me

I follow the culture of the land. If you tip in a restaurant in PI then you tip a girl. Tipping is an insult in Japan so I won't tip there no matter how good the service is. My tip is only for good service. It will always be around 10 USD whether it be in Germany, Thailand, Jakarta etc. I've learned not to tip much in PP since you get a Klingon for life if you do.

I am a believer in reputation in a bar. Of course in PI I won't care much since my visit will be relatively short. In Thailand word gets around pretty quickly in a gogo bar who is a tipper and who is not just as quickly as who is a bad trick. If I'm a regular at that gogo bar it pays to be a bit generous to have all the hottest girls after me, not the other way around.

These were the leftovers after a K guy had barfined half the girls at bar opening.

When Sensations gogo in Pattaya was the hottest gogo bar in 2015 I used to have to barfine girls the night before for the following night. I beat the Koreans and Japanese at their own game to get the girl I wanted. That's how bad it was for the TOP girls. I was confident they wouldn't burn me cause I was a regular at the bar and would be taking a girl who has already sat with me many times before.

I'm ok with going to AC bars when they first open to grab the top girls. If nothing else I do it for spite to the Koreans coming in 10 minutes after me. It's a dog eat dog world so don't let them beat you.

[WestCoast1]

Which are the Korean bars? I don't care if a bar is Korean, German, Brit, American, Filipino I just want to meet the hottest girls possible anywhere I go. Sure it may not be as easy for me in a Korean bar but damn if I don't try to get the hottest girls in AC.

By paying more how much more does a Korean pay a top girl in a Korean bar vs a Farang pays a top girl in a Farang bar?

Farang typically just pay the barfine. Traditionally (especially before Covid), the MO of AC bars has been simple: You pay one fee up-front, with no need to discuss any 'girl fee' (a tip later) as you would do in Thailand or on Burgos in Makati. If a girl agrees to barfine with you, she is not certain of gaining any tip upon departure. Many gents on this board have mentioned giving a tip in the morning of a few hundred, or 500 (or sometimes more) pesos, just out of generosity. Some gents give nothing.

There have been disagreements on the Board in years past regarding whether you should tip an AC girl or not. Argument for: You should tip for good service. Argument against: Any kind of tipping creates unreal expectations on the part of the girl that her future clients should also tip her also. Some gents always tip, some gents don't tip. I always tipped the then-current girlie tryke amount home of: Fifty pesos. An interesting argument for the pro-tip crowd was: If you don't tip the girl, she will remember you and report you as a cheap-charlie in her bar, thus limiting your access later. The opposite argument was also made by some gents: "I never tip, and never had any trouble getting the same hottie to re-barfine with me, nor her workmates".

However all of that might* be meaningless. When the Koreans (and Japanese) started moving into AC a decade ago, they throw around LARGE tips. Not unusual for a group of half a dozen K fellas to send one of their mates to a bar and take the 6-8-10 hottest at the bar opening, and pay the barfine for all of those girls right then. Following that, the K's might take the girls out for drinking, dancing, carousing. Then some (but not necessarily all) of the K's might choose one of the girls to keep for the night, and they turn loose the rest early. They often tip the girls 3 k, 5 k, or 10 k, even the ones they don't keep for the rest of the night. Compare a K barfine (she gets about 2500 from the barfine, a 3-5 k tip, and possibly no sex) to a Farang barfine (she gets 2500 from the barfine, a p300-ish tip, and 1 or 2 f*cks). You see why some girls become K-only girls. OTOH its also possible for a Korean to barfine, sex a girl twice, and give no tip.

* Or might not. I think I reported that I had mamas in 3 K bars telling me that they could find an agreeable barfine girl for anyone, including my picky dirty-deeds list. "Just you chat me first. I will find a girl for you its not a problem". One mama pointed out 3 pretty girls (hell, 10 of the 12 girls were good-looking) on the stage and said: "That one, and that one with the long hair, and that other one on the end there". These were the leftovers after a K guy had barfined half the girls at bar opening.

I am confident that you will get what you are looking for. I can not judge from afar if you will find the girls attractive (see TjBrazil's posts), but as others have, you will find a goodie or two.

[JordCo]

Which are the Korean bars? I don't care if a bar is Korean, German, Brit, American, Filipino I just want to meet the hottest girls possible anywhere I go. Sure it may not be as easy for me in a Korean bar but damn if I don't try to get the hottest girls in AC.

By paying more how much more does a Korean pay a top girl in a Korean bar vs a Farang pays a top girl in a Farang bar?

Thet still only pay whatever the bar fine price is + drinks and tip. Per transaction they usually don't pay more or that much more. But they are seen as an easier nights work for the girls and therefore it seems like more. 5 k bar fine for drinks, karaoke, don't have to talk much and 1 pop or 5 k bar fine for countless stories moaning about their life, talking about how shit the music is compared to rock or country, Vietnam stories, 3 pops + testing how many kinky things he can do to her only to still complain. It's usually a no brainier because they're working girls and just want to get it done most of the time.

[WestCoast1]

I am in town along with a few other ISGers. They want to buy you beers. Saturday, December 2nd, 7 pm Lollipop Bar. You can introduce us to the owner and manager. Also we can check out the other bars. We can do a community beauty contest. Drinks on us.

Saturday is your night crawl. Please don't disappoint us.

The gauntlet.