Angeles City

[Dg8787]

Most all bargirls I know have to barfine a certain minimum to collect the higher salary amount along with a minimum of drink commissions. For instance a few girls have told me her daily salary is 500 if she has x barfines. If she doesn't meet x amount then her daily salary is reduced to 300 a day. There is a formula for lady drinks too which influences the daily salary.

There is an incentive to barfine. Contrary to some posts here.

BTW, some girls have protested the increased barfine of 5 k and have had it reduced back to 4 k. Thou it is not publicized by the you know which bar. Barfines were much slower for them at 5 k and reducing their daily salary.

[NapaSlapper]

Apology TjB. I often assume that everyone here is old guard, and we were all around way back then.

Not sure exactly when the K's started the takeover. 2014 is not an exact point in time that the Koreans started coming to Phils, they were here prior in smaller numbers. But at some point (2010 - 2014? They started showing up with large sums of pesos, and started barfining bunches of girls at once (sometimes Japanese groups did this also). A bunch of K buddies come for vacation (say, half a dozen). One of them goes to a bar with many lovelies when the bar opens at, say, 5 pm. A mama recognizes large money, and puts a lineup of a dozen hotties in front of him. He chooses 6 of the prettiest, pays the barfine for all of them, tells the mama that his friends will be by later to pick up the girls. The K fellas occupy their time in the evening however K's do, and about midnight they show up and take the 6 barfined girls. They often took the girls out drinking / dinner. Each fella may or may not take the girl to his hotel (he might just turn her loose for the evening). Regardless, they give large tips (often larger than the barfine amount), and the girls are happy as pigs rolling in mud at your grand pappy's farm. That's how we got Korean-only girls (girls who only barfine with Koreans). That was then. Today is similar, but the barfined gals might be quickly transported in vans in groups to the Korean-town area. Koreans also started buying up bars..

Pretty spot on mr westy, you are indeed correct sir.

I would like to add that yes probably 50% of bars are owned by Koreans now in Angeles but many of the western owned bars now have seen that Koreans are far more in number and greatly outspend the westerner that they too have hired Korean managers, dressed the girls in long dresses to cater to the Korean taste all for the slice of more bums on seats and much higher profits.

There is no getting away that Angeles is a Korean town, they are no1 when it comes to getting the better looking girls to barfine, saying that, many girls just do not barfine at all so even if one is Korean does not mean one can get laid at will, many times having to waste money and time until even a Korean can get laid.

It is what it us unfortunately, talk of westerners getting any attention from angles top girls is dreaming IMHO, am shocked at the amount of Angeles bargirls that can converse in the Korean language, goes to prove a lot as to who is no1 in this town for a pinay bar girl to actually take the time to study something, times have indeed changed in Angeles.

[FuriousGeorge]

This is true. If I were only there for 3 days and didn't have any luck finding what I wanted even one of those days, I'd be pissed. I stay for almost a month now, so if there's a night were nobody catches my fancy or I'm not feeling it, no big deal. Or I use my new technique of hitting the 24 hour massage place at the end of the night, getting a nice release, and heading home for a good night's sleep alone.

I'd certainly agree that long term residents and weekend millionaires are different worlds.

[Goferring]

..I played the part of the regular Joe, who DOES HIS RESEARCH....

However having said that, right here in the AC thread since the covid re-opening last year, are full-on reports of fellas getting the LD runaround inside bars where girls gimmick the fella to buy her LD's until into the AM: "I can not barfine until 1 AM".

I find a lot of the complaints about AC are self inflicted. Sure, we have all paid out newbie tax but if a guy is being ripped off at every night out then he needs to look at how gullible he is being.

In today's market, who sits there buying drink after drink for no immediate return or even an outright rejection? An interview drink then out? Fine. As ongoing payment for a face full of tatas and a fist full of mutt? Fine. For 4 hours of "Where you from? Where you stay?" And a rejection to go home? Fuck that.

I have a weakness for dancers and they often do have minimum work hours. If she can't leave before 12, then it's drink, barfine and I'll be back at 11:45. Not endless drinks while I sit there bored out of my brain.

I'd certainly agree that long term residents and weekend millionaires are different worlds. Being under no time pressure and available when she needs a cash top up opens up many opportunities. Again, anyone who can't or doesn't use that to their own benefit is only missing out.

Enjoy. G.

[Dg8787]

As in life your space in the world is not the same as everyone else. You get what you make of it. Your issues do not disappear when you come here. I was in a pharmacy here waiting on a script to be filled when a foul mouth westerner walks in and loudly ask for something for allergies and nasal meds to the counter person and then turns to me and says to me rudely and loudly "they don't have a fucking clue what I am talking about". Low life's are still low life's here. Maybe a little richer here but still a low life.

Yes, Koreans have populated AC more and more. Do they affect me in mongering? Hell no! Do I enjoy better Korean food? Heck yes!

I had barfined a girl who has a lesbian lover working in the same bar with her. I had heard the lesbian was quite a jealous person from some of the other girls. I wanted to barfine both together and was told the lesbian won't go with me. Even the barfined girl told me so. The next time I was back I had a lady drink with the girl and asked about her lover, again I was told the lover would not go with me. After a few minutes I called the lover down and bought her a lady drink. She would freeze up when I touched her. I was beginning to think she was one of those dreaded man haters. So I kept my hands off her and we just talked for a while. At the end of the drink I politely told her she was very sexy, which she was and asked her if I can barfined her and her friend? I told her we would start things off slow and easy and I wasn't looking for a 3 some. However if they wanted to make out together it was fine with me. The other girl smiled and nodded willingly.

The lesbian agreed. When we got to the hotel they said they were hungry as was I. We ordered room service. These spinners ordered and shared one Pancit Canton and water! LOL. Long store short we had a great time. The lesbian was really tight and a moaner. She wasn't a man hater just hated how some men treated her. BTW, she had a body to die for. Can't wait for the next time with them together.

My point is AC has something for us today and tomorrow. It is all what you make of it. All this talk about the Korean factor is meaningless.

[WestCoast1]

I don't know. My experience has been different. I'll estimated I've barfined 100 girls, and I'll exclude all the freebies and club girls. My usual line, if I want to take her out, is "Do you want to leave with me? She usually nods excitedly and we call over the waitress. If she doesn't get it, I have to clarify that we should barfine. And then she usually nods excitedly. Of the estimated 100, I can think of one who said she was a cherry girl, pass obviously. Another who said she doesn't barfine. I didn't ask any followups, and a grand total of one who said she was on her menses, and one who said condoms required. Hard pass, thanks for letting me know. I'm a gringo in his 40's. True I usually frequent the gringo bars, so maybe that influences it. I don't mind the lady drink interview price. Hell I'm coming from a land where buying a girl a drink is thirteen bucks and if you grope her while she drinks it you'll go to jail. Either way I'll be there in a few weeks and report on whether things have changed.

Yes, my previous post might be read as today's market is all K-based, and lookers aren't available anymore. As FG says, that is not true. There is a strong K presence (especially in K-owned bars). To make that case, in several different K bars, mamas sat with me for some chat (I have a gentle face, maybe). I was curious one evening if I could get some intel from the first such bar where a mama sat down with me without my calling her over. There were more than half a dozen Korean customers in the bar, and me. It was about 10 pm. When the mama waived her hand at the ladies dancing on stage and suggested she call one down for a drink, I demurred. Over chat she mentioned that a Korean had come in near opening and taken more than half of her girls. I said I had just got into town and needed a night's rest, but I'd like to come back another night and barfine. I played the part of the regular Joe, who DOES HIS RESEARCH and reads stuff about AC bars on the Internet. I said something like: If I come back here for a barfine, I don't want to sit and buy LD's for girls who only go with Asian guys. And I don't want to be wasting money buying drinks for girls on her mens. I mean to BARFINE. I then ticked off my short list of needs. She immediately started pointing to 3 girls on the stage as recommendations. "If they are not here when you return I will find you another girl. You chat me when you are here". Oh and I don't want any ST bullshit I've been reading about. As you have raised the barfine amount to more than p4000, its LT and 2 pops like before. "Yes we have and can do that. Just you talk to me". I played this same card game in two other K bars with mamas and got similar responses. Common theme: We have a girl for everyone.

In addition, my mates who live in AC (or alternately who live in Phils and visit AC a few times a year -- like me) have no trouble barfining, especially from Wolfpack bars. They have pics or vids in their phones of girls at their home or hotel, girls who are dancing on stage while we are drinking in non-K bars. Barfining for those gents means little more than buying a girl a drink and asking if she wants to go, yes / no? Keep in mind that once barfined, if she likes you, there's at least a modest chance you can get her to come by for afternoon or pre-shift shenanigans at your place for half the barfine amount.

There seem to be two systems at play now, the game I described in the paragraphs above for the gringos, and the K-game. I think some of what NS says about the current AC is true. There are solid K-only girls in the bars, and LD-only girls. But especially in the non-K bars, the gringos should not have that difficult a time finding a honey for some ugly-bumpin' (sorry NS). However having said that, right here in the AC thread since the covid re-opening last year, are full-on reports of fellas getting the LD runaround inside bars where girls gimmick the fella to buy her LD's until into the AM: "I can not barfine until 1 AM". She is clearly an LD plant, her beauty being used to wring as many LD's from as many customers as possible before allowing her to barfine later in the evening (its something I love: profit maximizing; and its also sh*tty if its not communicated to the customer before he agrees to buy her a drink).

Schizoid? You decide.

For security purposes, I am hoping that I didn't use any specific bar (or mamas) names in this post.

[SouthEaster]

You must be extremely guapo or the luckiest guy to have ever visited AC! That was my experience 30 years ago and you didn't even have the LD bullshit to put up with. Now.

[Jarango]

Koreans are loved in the bars as even with no barfines, they are much more likely to be the ones who make it rain..

That is how any tourist joint goes. The women are there to make money and the Koreans are the new good tourists. Kim chee, chicken adobo style all round. It is the way of the world everywhere. Clark is literally their backyard. Let's not forget they have been in Malate with upgrade internet bars for decades and that lots of Koreans go there to learn 1-1 English at bargain rates. They have even, I believe, bought up vast tracts of coast land.

I recently visited remote parts of Italy that had been on The Grand Tour that Europe's rich did in the 18/19th century and that Mark Twain also visited. Think of that. Your servants pack your many cases and you arrive in remote Italy with only you, a few others of the idle rich and lots of big breasted Italian women. Now, there are gap year students and vaping clowns all over the place, to say nothing to the big chested male arrivals from Africa. Time for the idle rich to go elsewhere.

What I want from the Philippines is this: a quiet place, reasonaby prices, not too many foreigners, safeish, with lots of pussy available. I don't need no 5 star hotel or sleeping under a bridge. Just my basic needs. Angeles is a mixture of the worst of first world tourism and the worst of third world tourism.

Hw about all those one horse towns in Mindanao, the smaller ones?

[FuriousGeorge]

I don't know. My experience has been different. I'll estimated I've barfined 100 girls, and I'll exclude all the freebies and club girls. My usual line, if I want to take her out, is "Do you want to leave with me? She usually nods excitedly and we call over the waitress. If she doesn't get it, I have to clarify that we should barfine. And then she usually nods excitedly. Of the estimated 100, I can think of one who said she was a cherry girl, pass obviously. Another who said she doesn't barfine. I didn't ask any followups, and a grand total of one who said she was on her menses, and one who said condoms required. Hard pass, thanks for letting me know. I'm a gringo in his 40's. True I usually frequent the gringo bars, so maybe that influences it. I don't mind the lady drink interview price. Hell I'm coming from a land where buying a girl a drink is thirteen bucks and if you grope her while she drinks it you'll go to jail. Either way I'll be there in a few weeks and report on whether things have changed.

Apology TjB. I often assume that everyone here is old guard, and we were all around way back then.

[WestCoast1]

Can you explain the Korean invasion. Korea has always been close to Manila. What happened since 2014 to change AC. It looked like a dump when I was there. You're saying it was beautiful 10 years ago. LOL.

Apology TjB. I often assume that everyone here is old guard, and we were all around way back then.

Not sure exactly when the K's started the takeover. 2014 is not an exact point in time that the Koreans started coming to Phils, they were here prior in smaller numbers. But at some point (2010 - 2014? They started showing up with large sums of pesos, and started barfining bunches of girls at once (sometimes Japanese groups did this also). A bunch of K buddies come for vacation (say, half a dozen). One of them goes to a bar with many lovelies when the bar opens at, say, 5 pm. A mama recognizes large money, and puts a lineup of a dozen hotties in front of him. He chooses 6 of the prettiest, pays the barfine for all of them, tells the mama that his friends will be by later to pick up the girls. The K fellas occupy their time in the evening however K's do, and about midnight they show up and take the 6 barfined girls. They often took the girls out drinking / dinner. Each fella may or may not take the girl to his hotel (he might just turn her loose for the evening). Regardless, they give large tips (often larger than the barfine amount), and the girls are happy as pigs rolling in mud at your grand pappy's farm. That's how we got Korean-only girls (girls who only barfine with Koreans). That was then. Today is similar, but the barfined gals might be quickly transported in vans in groups to the Korean-town area. Koreans also started buying up bars.

The pre-K invasion times, almost any girl in any bar needed a barfine, and regarded any poor-Paulie gringo with enough money for a barfine tonight as the cat's meow. Now, poor-Paulie is at least partially invisible in AC, overshadowed by K's who walk around with obscene amounts of money. Another clear difference: In the 00's, gringos aged 40-70 were the bulk of fellas on WS. Today, 2/3 of the fellas on WS are Korean. Before, it was uber-easy to go into any gogo bar, find a mediocre 7, and be out the door with her quickly (they rarely said no) on your way to your hotel for tonight's first bonk. Today, the bar's MO is to get you buying LD's for each girl, you being completely unaware that she does not go with gringos (K-only girl). She will have oodles of excuses to get additional drinks from you before divulging that she won't barfine with you: "I am having my blood". Unhappy after wasting your money on LD's, you bring down a second girl, and have the same difficulty. Which is smarter for the girl (or bar): She gets one LD from you and then barfines, gets Jollibee, f*cks twice, spends the night, and gets no tip or a small tip (say, 500). Or alternately she gets 2 LD's from you, says she can't barfine with you, then barfines later with a Korean (who tips the mama and waitress nicely), gets a nice dinner at a nice resto, gets 1 f*ck (or none), gets a p5000 tip (she might have to give some to the mama), and goes home early?

There is a clear break in time: Covid. Pre-covid, I think there were only 2 or 3 Korean bars. Then the Covid closure for 2 years. Upon re-opening about 18 months ago, we have about half the bars are now K-bars (run by Koreans, catering to Korean clientele). Koreans are loved in the bars as even with no barfines, they are much more likely to be the ones who make it rain.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[TjBrazil]

I think that's pretty accurate.

The joy of AC previous to the K invasion around 2013-14 (especially the 00's and before), was large numbers of 7's, with a small number of 8's tossed in, at cheap prices for LT. After all the girls were coming from the far-flung off-island provinces, and on recommendation from a cousin. Its not like the bars were advertising for 'hotties only'. I could get a spinner who ticked all my boxes easily in the first bar I walked into. If that failed, there was the bar next door. On one of my first trips I was in Body Shop one evening. The dance stage is long / skinny, with two rows of girls: One row facing the right wall, the other row faces the left wall. There were 9 girls facing each wall. They slowly rotated counter-clockwise. Of the 18 girls, only one girl had larger than B cups. When the shift changed and the girls were replaced with 18 new girls, there were only 2 gals with larger than B cups. That's 3 of 36 girls that weren't flat-chested. I would guess that if you went to the provinces of Surigao, Samar, and Leyte, where the girls often come from, you'd find about the same large % of flatness. Their ribs often showed. You got a spinner who would bang you in the evening and again in the morning for $25-$30. The girls were sweet, fun-loving, spoke a modicum of English, and were spunky; not only in the bar, but in the room. For many of us, that was heaven.

I would imagine that if a fella was an 8's-and-up guy, AC was the bottom end of joy for him and he was off to Thailand to never return to AC. Its not for everyone.

Can you explain the Korean invasion. Korea has always been close to Manila. What happened since 2014 to change AC. It looked like a dump when I was there. You're saying it was beautiful 10 years ago. LOL.

[D Cups]

What are EDs.

Not sure if he means Engine Driver, fellow ISGer, or Erectile Dysfunctionals. They could be one and the same.

[WestCoast1]

While there might have been more choice and therefore a higher number of girls who are better looking. Any photos I've seen from 80's 90's and early 00's have very rarely shown anything over a 7 or 8. Many had good bodies but in terms of face, the quality looks around the same as it is today on average. Stories of 9's are 99% a guy over estimating a girl he had feelings for.

The major difference today is less girls in bars and the lower end of the scale are fatties.

I think that's pretty accurate.

The joy of AC previous to the K invasion around 2013-14 (especially the 00's and before), was large numbers of 7's, with a small number of 8's tossed in, at cheap prices for LT. After all the girls were coming from the far-flung off-island provinces, and on recommendation from a cousin. Its not like the bars were advertising for 'hotties only'. I could get a spinner who ticked all my boxes easily in the first bar I walked into. If that failed, there was the bar next door. On one of my first trips I was in Body Shop one evening. The dance stage is long / skinny, with two rows of girls: One row facing the right wall, the other row faces the left wall. There were 9 girls facing each wall. They slowly rotated counter-clockwise. Of the 18 girls, only one girl had larger than B cups. When the shift changed and the girls were replaced with 18 new girls, there were only 2 gals with larger than B cups. That's 3 of 36 girls that weren't flat-chested. I would guess that if you went to the provinces of Surigao, Samar, and Leyte, where the girls often come from, you'd find about the same large % of flatness. Their ribs often showed. You got a spinner who would bang you in the evening and again in the morning for $25-$30. The girls were sweet, fun-loving, spoke a modicum of English, and were spunky; not only in the bar, but in the room. For many of us, that was heaven.

I would imagine that if a fella was an 8's-and-up guy, AC was the bottom end of joy for him and he was off to Thailand to never return to AC. Its not for everyone.

[JordCo]

Like how many girls they used to fuck, the 9's that they would get for bargain prices-some free just on their good looks. Some will brag about the muscle cars they owned. Some will regale about the big businesses they owned or still own..

While there might have been more choice and therefore a higher number of girls who are better looking. Any photos I've seen from 80's 90's and early 00's have very rarely shown anything over a 7 or 8. Many had good bodies but in terms of face, the quality looks around the same as it is today on average. Stories of 9's are 99% a guy over estimating a girl he had feelings for.

The major difference today is less girls in bars and the lower end of the scale are fatties.

[Jarango]

Just wanted to add a quick summary of the last few weeks here.

Cheers.

Excellent report. I take it you are British from your terms. Money also does not seem to be a consideration, so good for you.

Here is my question. Is it better to shop in Picadilly / Oxford St (ie Angeles) or go to some remote outpost where the service might be better? I am in touch with hookers based in Angeles, Manila and Negros and the last one is a tiger but would entail an extra plane, bus, taxi amnd probably a jeepney too. A long way for a long bonk.