Angeles City

[Jarango]

Koreans are loved in the bars as even with no barfines, they are much more likely to be the ones who make it rain..

That is how any tourist joint goes. The women are there to make money and the Koreans are the new good tourists. Kim chee, chicken adobo style all round. It is the way of the world everywhere. Clark is literally their backyard. Let's not forget they have been in Malate with upgrade internet bars for decades and that lots of Koreans go there to learn 1-1 English at bargain rates. They have even, I believe, bought up vast tracts of coast land.

I recently visited remote parts of Italy that had been on The Grand Tour that Europe's rich did in the 18/19th century and that Mark Twain also visited. Think of that. Your servants pack your many cases and you arrive in remote Italy with only you, a few others of the idle rich and lots of big breasted Italian women. Now, there are gap year students and vaping clowns all over the place, to say nothing to the big chested male arrivals from Africa. Time for the idle rich to go elsewhere.

What I want from the Philippines is this: a quiet place, reasonaby prices, not too many foreigners, safeish, with lots of pussy available. I don't need no 5 star hotel or sleeping under a bridge. Just my basic needs. Angeles is a mixture of the worst of first world tourism and the worst of third world tourism.

Hw about all those one horse towns in Mindanao, the smaller ones?

[FuriousGeorge]

I don't know. My experience has been different. I'll estimated I've barfined 100 girls, and I'll exclude all the freebies and club girls. My usual line, if I want to take her out, is "Do you want to leave with me? She usually nods excitedly and we call over the waitress. If she doesn't get it, I have to clarify that we should barfine. And then she usually nods excitedly. Of the estimated 100, I can think of one who said she was a cherry girl, pass obviously. Another who said she doesn't barfine. I didn't ask any followups, and a grand total of one who said she was on her menses, and one who said condoms required. Hard pass, thanks for letting me know. I'm a gringo in his 40's. True I usually frequent the gringo bars, so maybe that influences it. I don't mind the lady drink interview price. Hell I'm coming from a land where buying a girl a drink is thirteen bucks and if you grope her while she drinks it you'll go to jail. Either way I'll be there in a few weeks and report on whether things have changed.

Apology TjB. I often assume that everyone here is old guard, and we were all around way back then.

[WestCoast1]

Can you explain the Korean invasion. Korea has always been close to Manila. What happened since 2014 to change AC. It looked like a dump when I was there. You're saying it was beautiful 10 years ago. LOL.

Apology TjB. I often assume that everyone here is old guard, and we were all around way back then.

Not sure exactly when the K's started the takeover. 2014 is not an exact point in time that the Koreans started coming to Phils, they were here prior in smaller numbers. But at some point (2010 - 2014? They started showing up with large sums of pesos, and started barfining bunches of girls at once (sometimes Japanese groups did this also). A bunch of K buddies come for vacation (say, half a dozen). One of them goes to a bar with many lovelies when the bar opens at, say, 5 pm. A mama recognizes large money, and puts a lineup of a dozen hotties in front of him. He chooses 6 of the prettiest, pays the barfine for all of them, tells the mama that his friends will be by later to pick up the girls. The K fellas occupy their time in the evening however K's do, and about midnight they show up and take the 6 barfined girls. They often took the girls out drinking / dinner. Each fella may or may not take the girl to his hotel (he might just turn her loose for the evening). Regardless, they give large tips (often larger than the barfine amount), and the girls are happy as pigs rolling in mud at your grand pappy's farm. That's how we got Korean-only girls (girls who only barfine with Koreans). That was then. Today is similar, but the barfined gals might be quickly transported in vans in groups to the Korean-town area. Koreans also started buying up bars.

The pre-K invasion times, almost any girl in any bar needed a barfine, and regarded any poor-Paulie gringo with enough money for a barfine tonight as the cat's meow. Now, poor-Paulie is at least partially invisible in AC, overshadowed by K's who walk around with obscene amounts of money. Another clear difference: In the 00's, gringos aged 40-70 were the bulk of fellas on WS. Today, 2/3 of the fellas on WS are Korean. Before, it was uber-easy to go into any gogo bar, find a mediocre 7, and be out the door with her quickly (they rarely said no) on your way to your hotel for tonight's first bonk. Today, the bar's MO is to get you buying LD's for each girl, you being completely unaware that she does not go with gringos (K-only girl). She will have oodles of excuses to get additional drinks from you before divulging that she won't barfine with you: "I am having my blood". Unhappy after wasting your money on LD's, you bring down a second girl, and have the same difficulty. Which is smarter for the girl (or bar): She gets one LD from you and then barfines, gets Jollibee, f*cks twice, spends the night, and gets no tip or a small tip (say, 500). Or alternately she gets 2 LD's from you, says she can't barfine with you, then barfines later with a Korean (who tips the mama and waitress nicely), gets a nice dinner at a nice resto, gets 1 f*ck (or none), gets a p5000 tip (she might have to give some to the mama), and goes home early?

There is a clear break in time: Covid. Pre-covid, I think there were only 2 or 3 Korean bars. Then the Covid closure for 2 years. Upon re-opening about 18 months ago, we have about half the bars are now K-bars (run by Koreans, catering to Korean clientele). Koreans are loved in the bars as even with no barfines, they are much more likely to be the ones who make it rain.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[TjBrazil]

I think that's pretty accurate.

The joy of AC previous to the K invasion around 2013-14 (especially the 00's and before), was large numbers of 7's, with a small number of 8's tossed in, at cheap prices for LT. After all the girls were coming from the far-flung off-island provinces, and on recommendation from a cousin. Its not like the bars were advertising for 'hotties only'. I could get a spinner who ticked all my boxes easily in the first bar I walked into. If that failed, there was the bar next door. On one of my first trips I was in Body Shop one evening. The dance stage is long / skinny, with two rows of girls: One row facing the right wall, the other row faces the left wall. There were 9 girls facing each wall. They slowly rotated counter-clockwise. Of the 18 girls, only one girl had larger than B cups. When the shift changed and the girls were replaced with 18 new girls, there were only 2 gals with larger than B cups. That's 3 of 36 girls that weren't flat-chested. I would guess that if you went to the provinces of Surigao, Samar, and Leyte, where the girls often come from, you'd find about the same large % of flatness. Their ribs often showed. You got a spinner who would bang you in the evening and again in the morning for $25-$30. The girls were sweet, fun-loving, spoke a modicum of English, and were spunky; not only in the bar, but in the room. For many of us, that was heaven.

I would imagine that if a fella was an 8's-and-up guy, AC was the bottom end of joy for him and he was off to Thailand to never return to AC. Its not for everyone.

Can you explain the Korean invasion. Korea has always been close to Manila. What happened since 2014 to change AC. It looked like a dump when I was there. You're saying it was beautiful 10 years ago. LOL.

[D Cups]

What are EDs.

Not sure if he means Engine Driver, fellow ISGer, or Erectile Dysfunctionals. They could be one and the same.

[WestCoast1]

While there might have been more choice and therefore a higher number of girls who are better looking. Any photos I've seen from 80's 90's and early 00's have very rarely shown anything over a 7 or 8. Many had good bodies but in terms of face, the quality looks around the same as it is today on average. Stories of 9's are 99% a guy over estimating a girl he had feelings for.

The major difference today is less girls in bars and the lower end of the scale are fatties.

I think that's pretty accurate.

The joy of AC previous to the K invasion around 2013-14 (especially the 00's and before), was large numbers of 7's, with a small number of 8's tossed in, at cheap prices for LT. After all the girls were coming from the far-flung off-island provinces, and on recommendation from a cousin. Its not like the bars were advertising for 'hotties only'. I could get a spinner who ticked all my boxes easily in the first bar I walked into. If that failed, there was the bar next door. On one of my first trips I was in Body Shop one evening. The dance stage is long / skinny, with two rows of girls: One row facing the right wall, the other row faces the left wall. There were 9 girls facing each wall. They slowly rotated counter-clockwise. Of the 18 girls, only one girl had larger than B cups. When the shift changed and the girls were replaced with 18 new girls, there were only 2 gals with larger than B cups. That's 3 of 36 girls that weren't flat-chested. I would guess that if you went to the provinces of Surigao, Samar, and Leyte, where the girls often come from, you'd find about the same large % of flatness. Their ribs often showed. You got a spinner who would bang you in the evening and again in the morning for $25-$30. The girls were sweet, fun-loving, spoke a modicum of English, and were spunky; not only in the bar, but in the room. For many of us, that was heaven.

I would imagine that if a fella was an 8's-and-up guy, AC was the bottom end of joy for him and he was off to Thailand to never return to AC. Its not for everyone.

[JordCo]

Like how many girls they used to fuck, the 9's that they would get for bargain prices-some free just on their good looks. Some will brag about the muscle cars they owned. Some will regale about the big businesses they owned or still own..

While there might have been more choice and therefore a higher number of girls who are better looking. Any photos I've seen from 80's 90's and early 00's have very rarely shown anything over a 7 or 8. Many had good bodies but in terms of face, the quality looks around the same as it is today on average. Stories of 9's are 99% a guy over estimating a girl he had feelings for.

The major difference today is less girls in bars and the lower end of the scale are fatties.

[Jarango]

Just wanted to add a quick summary of the last few weeks here.

Cheers.

Excellent report. I take it you are British from your terms. Money also does not seem to be a consideration, so good for you.

Here is my question. Is it better to shop in Picadilly / Oxford St (ie Angeles) or go to some remote outpost where the service might be better? I am in touch with hookers based in Angeles, Manila and Negros and the last one is a tiger but would entail an extra plane, bus, taxi amnd probably a jeepney too. A long way for a long bonk.

[TjBrazil]

Lately I have been educated on 2 types of people going to the bars.

Group one goes to have a few drinks, touch a few girls and ultimately barfine and fuck. The lineups are still better than the home country. Yes, Pinays are built different from others but these mongers will make the adjustment after a few days. They will understand the value of the Pinays.

The other group I have been told by ED who goes and socialize with other ED's, drinking and telling lies and stories about the good old days. Like how many girls they used to fuck, the 9's that they would get for bargain prices-some free just on their good looks. Some will brag about the muscle cars they owned. Some will regale about the big businesses they owned or still own. They all sit around drinking and BS each other but never will barfine a girl. The ED's will tell each other how ugly the girls are as their excuses and that it is not like the good old days anymore. No Shit.

What are EDs.

[Samsta]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to add a quick summary of the last few weeks here.

Was taking notes for a detailed report but I'm too busy smashing. Might add details later.

Just noting that I've been coming here for last 5-6 years with a gap during covid. I noticed immediately abd was shocked at higher priced bar fines on ws with pretty much all at 4500/5000 p for the Spinner type I like.

Needless to say I know my budget and have forked out 5 x of these bar fines with some amazing girls. All have been great fucks with tight bods however 3 bola bola even after promising to stay till morning they want to leave after a fuck or 2 to go to megadance and score another 2 k or just spend thier barfine money with thier gfs.

I also have been on pinalove as its my usual go to for topping shags up during the day especially since perimeter bars are dry right now and since last 3 weeks. 1 bar fine took me to mischief bar now called some other random name but it was the gilf shift with 1 girl bar fined only out of 7 at 2500 p.

I haven't been able to stay awake until megadance gets going but did so once and a hottie came home with me then asked for 4 k. Almost told her to get fucked. But then again this was after a fuck. So negotiated her to stay all night for that much. She said Koreans, Japanese and Chinese readily pay her 4 k st so that's all she does. 2 customers a night and she's happy as Larry.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents. I've got a healthy body count this trip and there as amazing 35 kg fucks majority of the time. I always have a ball here.

Take care lads. Life's what you make of it. Price has gone up but pay a 5 k then it will cost 2 k next time. Worth the investment although I don't repeat haha too much new pussy around.

Cheers.

[Dg8787]

Sometimes I wonder who is most disappointed: old guys trying to relive the past or new guys wondering where all the hot girls are. 😁.

I learnt long ago to let the past be. You can never make it come back.

Lately I have been educated on 2 types of people going to the bars.

Group one goes to have a few drinks, touch a few girls and ultimately barfine and fuck. The lineups are still better than the home country. Yes, Pinays are built different from others but these mongers will make the adjustment after a few days. They will understand the value of the Pinays.

The other group I have been told by ED who goes and socialize with other ED's, drinking and telling lies and stories about the good old days. Like how many girls they used to fuck, the 9's that they would get for bargain prices-some free just on their good looks. Some will brag about the muscle cars they owned. Some will regale about the big businesses they owned or still own. They all sit around drinking and BS each other but never will barfine a girl. The ED's will tell each other how ugly the girls are as their excuses and that it is not like the good old days anymore. No Shit.

[GreenBud]

It seems the best bars for quality and quantity is Dragon Bar and XS. What other bar comes close in regards to quality/quantity?

You need to get to Dragon Bar close to opening time at 5 pm to get the opportunity to choose the best girls. Many Koreans get there early to choose. If you get there around 10 or 11 pm, it can be empty. Dragon Bar is definitely a Korean bar. That Eastern European looking guy (he told me he's Italian) told me he was hired to take care of the non-Koreans. He guessed/estimated that half of the girls are "Korean only".

What idiot would take their Korean customers barhopping, and not take them to Dragon bar. Only a fake one. If you're entertaining Korean customers, you need to take them to Dragon Bar. At the latest, 7 pm; better at 5 pm.

XS has 5 groups of girls. The "taped supermodels" group was pretty good. There was one that was a stunner. I was told they are "super selective".

Q Bar (party of the Wolf Pack group) is definitely not a Korean bar, whatever definition you lose. It seems our delusional, self-professed Angeles expert has been reading the wrong Facebook group. Even the quality is poor. I used to go there a lot when Paul (manager/part owner) was there, but he passed away (RIP). Quality was always marginal, and it still is.

Soya is definitely a Korean bar. I was there today at 12 pm. Saw a skinny cute girl. I was going to buy her a drink, but the papasan said she was already taken / reserved. She had a red ribbon attached to her, which indicates that she was already barfined. The bar opens at 9:30 am. I'm not going to go there that early. Maybe I should, since there might be better ones.

Usually, Korean bars open early. You have to get there really early to get the best ones. Korean bars has to have a Korean papasan, since many Koreans can't speak English. They have Korean owners, usually play K-pop songs, and usually have higher prices. The Koreans brought the demise of the single/double lady drinks.

[Turgid]

But is it bad? I grew up in a world where sex outside of marriage was an evil similar to murder. Imagine what that does to a kid. Normalizing sexuality, or at least separating it from ethical behavior, I think is probably a good thing. People smarter than I, and with hard data, will probably have better judgement on this. But when I understood that being ethical, a 'good' person, and having sex, were separate issues, I got a lot more comfortable in my skin. Now they just need to get these girls on birth control. I remember being in the elevator at Central Park with one of my Gecko's regulars where she busted out a birth control pill and popped it right there and I thought 'maybe there is some hope'.

My parents were strict conservative Catholics as was everyone in our neighborhood. Extra marital sex was a sin and masturbation was evil and health damaging. My neighbor's father demanded that my buddy whistle a hymn every time he entered the bathroom. Every time I think of his relating to me and my brother how his tune changed while he was climaxing I crack up.

[Goferring]

I said farewell as I boarded the bus to the airport in Manila. It was fun while it lasted. I think the golden age came to an end with the GFC.

Sometimes I wonder who is most disappointed: old guys trying to relive the past or new guys wondering where all the hot girls are. 😁.

I learnt long ago to let the past be. You can never make it come back.

G.

[Jarango]

Other opportunities have opened up. Use Pina Love as your data base. Check the amount of them who have travelled, those who have had boob jobs and others who offer cam shows. I know babes made big bucks from cam shows. Not my thing but it is a mega market. Then there are the Koreans bonking away like rabbits, according to the hotel staff.

Hookers and poverty have not gone away, Elements of the market have simply changed. Why work in a bar when more bucks are to be made onlimne through your phone and from Korean and flyover state remittances?