Angeles City

[Goferring]

Are you sure?

In 2010 for short time I paid 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.

Right now for short time I pay 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.

Prices are up in some places. Angeles City and Jakarta come most immediately to mind. Not everywhere though. Not everywhere in Asia for sure.

I can still get a cheap blow job in Bangkok for 800 Baht, only up 100 Baht over years. In AC blow row is pretty much gone, so I can't get it at any price! Cities like Bangkok and Phnom Penh are also developing like crazy, but Angeles City not so much.

I'm not here to argue with everyone or trash Angeles City, but I don't see anything wrong with being honest about the situation.

Yes, there will always be exceptions and variations across the region.

I'll stand by my comment about the changes to the supply and demand dynamic and its effect on some prices (especially at the uper end of the market). However, I'll also concede that my reference points may be well before 2010.

Me quoting 100 kRp in Jakarta and 30 k K in Yangoon was so long ago its comparing apples and oranges. It doesn't stop me missing those days though. . . 🤣.

[Rick Rock]

Unfortunately, this is an issue Asia wide not just AC.

Low Cost Carrier fares have drastically increased the number of and demand from weekend millionaires.

Growth in low and middle class jobs mean that many girls can earn as much vertically as they can horizontally.

On top of this, apps allow a way to get top up funds with out the dramas nor social risks of working in a bar or gogo.

The oldest profession will continue but I do agree that times are changing.

Are you sure?

In 2010 for short time I paid 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.

Right now for short time I pay 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.

Prices are up in some places. Angeles City and Jakarta come most immediately to mind. Not everywhere though. Not everywhere in Asia for sure.

I can still get a cheap blow job in Bangkok for 800 Baht, only up 100 Baht over years. In AC blow row is pretty much gone, so I can't get it at any price! Cities like Bangkok and Phnom Penh are also developing like crazy, but Angeles City not so much.

I'm not here to argue with everyone or trash Angeles City, but I don't see anything wrong with being honest about the situation.

[Goferring]

Just a few years ago I was paying 1500 right on Walking Street. Same bars price is 3000 or more.

Unfortunately, this is an issue Asia wide not just AC.

Low Cost Carrier fares have drastically increased the number of and demand from weekend millionaires.

Growth in low and middle class jobs mean that many girls can earn as much vertically as they can horizontally.

On top of this, apps allow a way to get top up funds with out the dramas nor social risks of working in a bar or gogo.

The oldest profession will continue but I do agree that times are changing.

[Rick Rock]

even back in the day it was a place for cheap poon.

This is exactly the point! It was a place for cheap poon. When the poon isn't cheap what will be the reason to go there? Just a few years ago I was paying 1500 right on Walking Street. Same bars price is 3000 or more. Where is the "cheap" line broken? 5000 PHP? 10000 PHP?

[Rick Rock]

Once you fly into a major hub airport like HKG, SIN, ICN, PVG, KUL, BKK, etc.

There's no flight from Bangkok. So you have to fly to, in your words, "possibly the worst airport on this planet. " Then you get to negotiate with some of the worst taxi drivers anywhere, and once you agree on a price higher than what any local would pay, you get to drive through two hours of some of the worst traffic you can find anywhere. After that you arrive at a city without any of the amenities you can find in Bangkok where women are asking the same amount of money. So why would you make the extra effort (with two stops) when you're already in Bangkok? Honest question.

You can find a direct flight to CRK. No need to make it into MNL (which is ) and make a land connection. You are right about the hotels though. AC needs more VFM mid-range hotels. The ones under $50 are absolute dumps and then there are the $100+ hotels. Nothing in between. There is a huge hotel complex coming up right opposite LGH that stretches all the way upto ABC. That might mean some price rationalisation from hotels like LGH which I always use.

Mostly right except that Louis Grand is now a dump too. Have you seen the carpets in the rooms? Tried to use the wifi? Looked at that absolutely disgusting white couch in the lobby? It's still twice as much as you'd pay for a nicer newer hotel in Bangkok or Pattaya though.

I think you have been had by the trike guys. 100 peso is anywhere to anywhere between Phillies and Honeykos with all in-road in-betweens thrown in.

I'm a grown man so I can't fit inside a trike, but I've seen what foreigners pay. Korean guys I know who live in AC actually pay more than I mentioned! 100 would still be comparatively expensive though. For perspective you can take a Grab tuk tuk from Kandal Market to Russian Market in Phnom Penh for $1. 50 and that's maybe 4 times the distance.

Yes, AC ain't perfect. It is in a state of decay and dereliction. But it's still a great place to spend a short holiday and bang cute girls. Unfortunately, white girls just don't work for me. So even if I make it to the FKKs I would have to restrict myself to Latinas. I don't know what sort of pussy you are referring to in Seoul and Pattaya. Those places ain't cheap anymore.

Seoul red light district is 3000 Pesos for a fuck. Fuji Building or any walk up in Hong Kong is about 3000 Pesos. Pattaya Soi 6 is 1600 pesos. The original point stands then: because AC has nothing really positive about it except for the women, the prices would have to be much cheaper for the place to be a real draw, especially for those of us who live or are regularly in say Hong Kong or Bangkok.

[RedMau5]

Will be in AC next weekend and staying at ABC. Can anyone tell me what is considered tops when it comes to bars or clubs with the best looking girls? Is it still Atlantis? What about perimeter bars?

[PedroMorales]

Sure, while you are at it, factor in the mortgage for your house back home, insurance, alimony perhaps and other expenses. That would give you a clearer picture. The point we are debating here is pound for pound. What does pussy cost in AC and what does it cost back home.

AC was never ever about high class service, even back in the day it was a place for cheap poon. But you will find several reasonably good looking girls that will do your every bidding for the right amount of cash. It's plain motivation theory. And that has worked for me.

Before Elvis packed his bags in Memphis and moved to Angeles. , he'd often decide to have a hamburger, his favourite hamburger of the day. If his favourite was in LA, Tampa or wherever, off he'd go on on his private plane. To eat a fxxg hamburger. Hassle apart, more money does not necessarily bring better service and it is certainly not worth flying to Clark for a Jolibee.

The main attraction of places like Angeles and Pattaya is you know they are essentially one trick towns and that almost any woman you see has a price tag on her private parts. No different for a hardware store in that regard.

I think Pattaya and, less so, Angeles, will continue to work for two Western groups. The first of these are the fly by nights, who include them as part of an overall tour package. The second group are such as warm water scuba divers, who get two holidays in one (scuba diving and pooning). The worst cases, and I have met plenty of them, are those looking for love or a non cash-based relationship. Bottom line is we are bonking rice farmers' daughters and wives and, besides the obvious needs, we have nothing much in common.

I guess Angeles and Pattaya are best for well-grounded middle aged men who still have strong sex drives and like to shop for Viagra and Cialis. Getting a squaw and settling down on the reservation might work too. All depends on his the little head thinks.

[Blanquiceleste]

Who wants them to sleep overnight? Not me. They're working girls, not girlfriends or wives. I barely want my wife to sleep overnight. If I want an overnight I'll find a girlfriend. You pay them to leave, remember?

Different folks different strokes. The fact that mongers complain about "runners" is evidence that they want girls to stay overnight. I personally like the girl to sleep over (not in a clingy way), so that I get the morning wood serviced before I get started with the day.

When women in bars want 4000 for short time, and be real and honest is most of them do in AC now do shortimes, that's approaching other cities levels for same. You can bang a hot European chick in a German FKK for less (50 Euros), and you get to see her naked first! You can get short time in Seoul for that much. You can get it for half as much in Pattaya or Saigon.

For 3000 Pesos and below things are still somewhat sustainable and worthwhile (considering you have to fly to Manila from somewhere, THEN do a 2 hour overland connection). Not to mention rooms that are about $100 a night for something decent, cut throat trikes that want 180 to take you from Fields to Ponytails, and child beggars and ladyboys in the street pulling on your shirt when you walk by.

There's a whole wide world out there. I am not limited to AC. Sorry for anyone else who is, but it's not all that bad. Beats Tuscon, Arizona at least.

There are several options in AC under 2000 peso. Nearly every bar on perimeter road sets the BF at 1700 to 2000. Ponytail takes 2500. All bars on WS charge 3000, with the odd bar asking higher. You are really under no obligation to sit at the bar and buy drinks for everyone, that is your own call. Some guys complain about that, but there are many here who admit to a "point and click" model.

Once you fly into a major hub airport like HKG, SIN, ICN, PVG, KUL, BKK, etc. You can find a direct flight to CRK. No need to make it into MNL (which is possibly the worst airport on this planet) and make a land connection. You are right about the hotels though. AC needs more VFM mid-range hotels. The ones under $50 are absolute dumps and then there are the $100+ hotels. Nothing in between. There is a huge hotel complex coming up right opposite LGH that stretches all the way upto ABC. That might mean some price rationalisation from hotels like LGH which I always use.

I think you have been had by the trike guys. 100 peso is anywhere to anywhere between Phillies and Honeykos with all in-road in-betweens thrown in.

Yes, AC ain't perfect. It is in a state of decay and dereliction. But it's still a great place to spend a short holiday and bang cute girls. Unfortunately, white girls just don't work for me. So even if I make it to the FKKs I would have to restrict myself to Latinas. I don't know what sort of pussy you are referring to in Seoul and Pattaya. Those places ain't cheap anymore.

[BrainDrain]

I've done the wham-bam mongering all over Asia but am looking to find someone to be a companion long-term in AC.

When you say long-term do you mean just for the long term of your week stay in AC or do you mean ongoing log term months and years.

For me, long term for a week, look to the bar scene.

Long term for life, look to dating sites and normal jane the all center girl.

BD.

[Blanquiceleste]

It is not just $100. You have to factor in air fares and especially hotel charges. I broke it down that a month (or two) in Pampanga would cost me a minimum of $4000. ($6,000). For very modest outlays, I have a number of bonks lined up at home, though they are of a different quality (and age). With the $6000 thus "saved", I could skip the tiring air trip for the kim chee experience and do odd European forays instead. There is a lot of down / dead time in Angeles, guys staring into their beer glasses and coffee cups.

And for $100 or $1000 there is still no guarantee of service. I reckon it might be time to leave Pampanga to the Koreans, until the Chinese start rolling in. The future there belongs to the Kims and Lees in any case as it is a stack them high model. If you want high class, you ain't going to find it in Fields Ave or Perimeter Road.

Sure, while you are at it, factor in the mortgage for your house back home, insurance, alimony perhaps and other expenses. That would give you a clearer picture. The point we are debating here is pound for pound. What does pussy cost in AC and what does it cost back home.

AC was never ever about high class service, even back in the day it was a place for cheap poon. But you will find several reasonably good looking girls that will do your every bidding for the right amount of cash. It's plain motivation theory. And that has worked for me.

[Dena0]

Ditto. WR has always been friendly, generous, and very well informed to me as well. In my considered opinion he is one of the good guys on the PI boards.

Well, here's an acknowledgement to another of the good guys! That's you, my friend. When I was a total newbie, I PM'ed you, my first PM ever, (in the Thai fora) and was on the receiving end of some fabulous advice, the quality of which I can truly appreciate only now, six years later. Thank you, Natty, for your generosity and responsiveness. When do I get to buy you a drink?

I'm now exploring, RTFFing prior to a maiden PI visit. AC, Makati, Cebu. Where does one start!

[Rick Rock]

When talking directly to a filipina don't ask "Do you have any kids?" because it's easy to lie with a straight "no".

Instead ask "How many kids do you have?

This question is unexpected and it throws them off. You can quickly tell if they are thinking about the answer. Those who genuinely don't have any kids very quickly act affronted and answer none. Invariably the girl will say "one only" even if she has 2 or more at home.

Not a bad idea. But being clear and saying "If you have kids I don't want to meet" has always worked for me. If she showed up and was obviously a mom, I'd just tell her goodbye. Easy as that. I'm just not interested in them, so why waste time or money?

[Rick Rock]

What is the definition of "a lot of money" ?

In AC if you are willing to pay 5000 peso you can get the top chicks at every bar you can think of. That is roughly $100. And for that money, the girl will stay all night, well into the next day and do your every bidding. Now that is definitely not going to happen in New York or London or Tehran. Not even Bangkok.

Who wants them to sleep overnight? Not me. They're working girls, not girlfriends or wives. I barely want my wife to sleep overnight. If I want an overnight I'll find a girlfriend. You pay them to leave, remember?

When women in bars want 4000 for short time, and be real and honest is most of them do in AC now do shortimes, that's approaching other cities levels for same. You can bang a hot European chick in a German FKK for less (50 Euros), and you get to see her naked first! You can get short time in Seoul for that much. You can get it for half as much in Pattaya or Saigon.

For 3000 Pesos and below things are still somewhat sustainable and worthwhile (considering you have to fly to Manila from somewhere, THEN do a 2 hour overland connection). Not to mention rooms that are about $100 a night for something decent, cut throat trikes that want 180 to take you from Fields to Ponytails, and child beggars and ladyboys in the street pulling on your shirt when you walk by.

There's a whole wide world out there. I am not limited to AC. Sorry for anyone else who is, but it's not all that bad. Beats Tuscon, Arizona at least.

[Rick Rock]

I'm in the RTFF phase of reviewing AC as a new destination, as an alternative to Pattaya (and BKK).

What I've gleaned so far: Food (Thai), English ability (PI), Average raunchiness (Thai), More scam prone (PI), VFM ( = ).

My initial feel is at odds with your comment 'there's no place like AC'.

I'm sure I'll run into AC v. Pattaya comparisions as I continue reading, but I sure would like to know your top insights.

Pattaya is a hundred times better than AC. First, it's a real city. You can walk around and there are things to do. Beggars are rarely seen, they never run up to you pulling on your shirt like in AC. You get better rooms for your money. Thai food is delicious, Filipino food not so much. Baht Bus takes you around Pattaya for $0. 30. Even in terms of women it's better because you have many more go go bars, topless and fully nude go go bars, blow job bars and gentlemen's clubs where you can get sucked or fuck right in the bar, big nice soapy massage parlors, cheap happy ending massage and everything in between.

I still go to AC though from time to time, because I like Filipinas and I'm always up for a quick cheap pump and dump. But at this point some ain't so cheap any more, so it's really losing the appeal it did have. My two cents.

[Goferring]

Do you think that is a reasonable expectation and what do you think pricing would look like? After all, it's a hotel, meals, entertainment, drinks and probably some light shopping.

In PI it costs more to feed and keep a girl than to fuck her.

It's often been said that aircon and a comfortable bed won't feed the family back home so don't expect a girl to give cut price pussy just to have creature comforts with you.

I paid 10 k per week in the Visayas but search my posts for "Holidaying with a Hooker" for all the on costs.

It's your money but with girls on tap in AC I can't see the reason for keeping one for the whole trip there.