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[Goferring]

I know nothing about Korean taxes or laws. But the impression I had was he could write these visits off as businesses expenses. Somehow hide or not need to hide the girl rental aspect of the visit. I do not think any of the Western countries can do this. If Koreans can do this legally and tax wise then game over....

Koreans in general will have some of the hottest girls. But you will never see them....

It's easy to stay under the radar with expenses but if a company wants to check, then software is available to flag that a credit card expense for XYZ Restaurant Manila is really a AC massage joint.

Correct. Many of the hottest and busiest girls will also build up their own contacts and drop out of the bar system all together. Guys call and book direct and no need for her to split the money with anyone. Over the years, I've known several privateer girls where it was essential to book ahead to reserve a place lest she already be taken.

Enjoy. G.

[LoveItHere]

7 years ago I had a Korean guy I bar hopped a few times with. We went to 3-4 bars per night, Then 5-7 months later he would visit again for 3-4 days and we might barhop to 3-4 bars for 1 or 2 nights. We did this on 4 of his visits. He said he owned a construction company and he came to Angels with clients. I know nothing about Korean taxes or laws. But the impression I had was he could write these visits off as businesses expenses. Somehow hide or not need to hide the girl rental aspect of the visit. I do not think any of the Western countries can do this. If Koreans can do this legally and tax wise then game over. None of us can outspend Samsung's, KIA's, or LG's company credit cards. FYI My cousin (USA) was a pharmaceutical sales rep 20+ years ago and at that time he had a company credit card to buy breakfasts, lunches, dinners, balloons, fruit baskets, whatever on the doctors, nurses, and receptionists. He would get in trouble if he did not spend that money of $20,000+. If the Koreans have anything similar, then that is near impossible to compete with.

Koreans in general will have some of the hottest girls. But you will never see them. Hot Girl-1 will stay with Korean Guy-1 for a few days and will go to his hotel, her apartment to get change of clothes, and her bar only to get her paycheck. Korean Guy-2 will have a reservation with the mamasan to get Hot Girl-1 once Korean Guy-1 leaves town. If the Korean is a regular client or knows the management, the girl will deliver herself to the Korean's hotel. The hottest girls at the Korean bars are hardly ever inside the bar itself. Your best chance of seeing them is with a Korean at the mall, restaurant, etc. I noticed the girls' "I only go with Koreans" crap 7 years ago. Hate it all you want but you can not deny it. What businesses have taken over Fields Avenue and the surrounding area? Korean bars, food, music can be found more and more very year. I have not been there in 5 years. In January 2024 when I come, I give myself 3 weeks before I get pissed off (Korean only girls, drink sluts, fuglies, menstruation, cherry girls) and go to other areas. While many years before I once believed I would retire in Angeles.

11+ years ago my regular girl's sister worked at the Japanese bar (Agaysa?) near to Body Shop. The Japanese loved her. One of those fools bought her an Apple phone about every 3 weeks. She pawned them a few days later for half the money. My guess is the Koreans are doing the same thing to impress their buddies, co-workers, or clients. You can not compete against stupidity.

[WestCoast1]

Exactly proves my point.

Each to their own, if your happy then so be it, but please accept that most of my drinking buddies including me are not at all interested in what lollipop bar and most of the other western orientated bars have to offer.

Morale of the story, some set the bar low and some have high standards, be very boring if we all liked the same girls.

The naysayers as you call them might just have a totally different taste in girls than the angeles city tourist board members here, simple really.

Curious. What high standard are you talking about?

Also you drew a distinction between the K and western bars, saying you are not interested in what the western bars offer. The lineups at K bars are not necessarily better in terms of looks than western bars. Look at how Las Vegas has stumbled. The lineup in Lollipop is better than LV. Can you name a specific bar where you think the lineup is tops? We'd like to compare.

Do the girls in the pics posted not measure up to your (K) standard? If you can't describe it in detail (the standard), show us a picture. You have consistently droned on about a standard that possibly does not exist. I see an entire range in most bars, K or western.

[Goferring]

During the past 20+ years of talking to multiple girls (in Thailand and Cambodia mainly, some in the Philippines) and listening between the lines, the favorite group (by the numbers) are the Japanese (I am not Japanese).

Although, now, the Chinese might become the group that is preferred. IMO, it already started in Cambodia. I hear of crazy tips given by the Chinese.

The Chinese would probably out do even the Korean when it comes to segregation and control. I'm not only talking about the attitudes towards girls trained by westerners but also the mechanisms put in place to retain punters' time and money. It's very rare to see a couple of Chinese aimlessly wandering around town and checking out various places. All-in tour packages are prepaid before departure. Busses transport the groups from Chinese controlled attraction to attraction. They eat enmass at commission paying restaurants and have fun at Chinese run establishments. Even the girls, with high upfront fees, are lumbered with expenses and fines that stay in house.

While the punters may spend a lot, very little remains in the destination establishments. It all filters back to the mainland.

Enjoy. G.

[GreenBud]

Exactly proves my point.

How does the picture "exactly" prove your point when the face is blurred?

LOL!

Now, if you are going to rely on the word of bargirls, keep in mind that they don't have a good reputation for honesty. They will tell you what you want to hear. If you are American, they love Americans. If you are Korean, they love Koreans.

During the past 20+ years of talking to multiple girls (in Thailand and Cambodia mainly, some in the Philippines) and listening between the lines, the favorite group (by the numbers) are the Japanese (I am not Japanese).

Although, now, the Chinese might become the group that is preferred. IMO, it already started in Cambodia. I hear of crazy tips given by the Chinese.

[RainMania]

I don't think you can categorize all Koreans or all Americans in that manner. Everyone is different. If you take 1000 Koreans or Americans, they are not going to act the same way. I don't think you can even say that most will act a certain way.

As for Koreans, I don't have any first hand knowledge but I don't think you do either. Now, if you are going to rely on the word of bargirls, keep in mind that they don't have a good reputation for honesty. They will tell you what you want to hear. If you are American, they love Americans. If you are Korean, they love Koreans.

We would all agree that bargirls lie but somehow we like to deceive ourselves and believe that they are telling us the truth when it is complimentary to us and insulting to other races.

From someone who does have first hand experience of Korea and Koreans (check my post history), I say G is fairly spot on.

Unfortunately you can't outspend the K-boys. Outspending one or two of them is easy, the problem is the other 500 that will arrive in AC that day, and the other 500 that will arrive the day after and so on. Their advantage is in their numbers (over half of the country's 18 million adult males are active mongerers), and they don't monger alone. Korea is only a 3. 5 hr flight from PH at a cost of 100-300 USD. You just can't beat those circumstances no matter how hard you try.

The really sad thing is they're now starting to show up in numbers on Soi 6 Pattaya, so I suggest people go and enjoy its final few years before it too gets converted into a replica of angeles walking street through K-influence. Because it definitely will.

[Goferring]

Of course, "bargirls always tell us what we want to hear" is also a generalisation. Buddies and I were having the Westerner vs Korean discussion with a Sabang regular that I was totally kunt stuck with. She lamented the then Korean low season as her last Korean customer was into wierd shit but made up for it by being a great payer and having a dick much bigger than mine. Ouch 😳. True story.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. The same girl had me listed in her Contacts as Goferring Ugly. For those that don't know, that's an affectionate Visayan term for cute and handsome guys. Must be pretty common as a few girls have called me the same. So sweet. 😍.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

I don't think you can categorize all Koreans or all Americans in that manner. Everyone is different. If you take 1000 Koreans or Americans, they are not going to act the same way. I don't think you can even say that most will act a certain way.

As for Koreans, I don't have any first hand knowledge but I don't think you do either. Now, if you are going to rely on the word of bargirls, keep in mind that they don't have a good reputation for honesty. They will tell you what you want to hear. If you are American, they love Americans. If you are Korean, they love Koreans.

We would all agree that bargirls lie but somehow we like to deceive ourselves and believe that they are telling us the truth when it is complimentary to us and insulting to other races.

I'd agree that my comment was a generalisation as that was what the discussion was about. Are their Korean guys who can't get laid and Americans banging stunners? Of course. But they are either exceptions rather than the rule.

Bargirls do indeed tell us what we want to hear. However, my post was based on first hand experience and I don't know many guys who would disagree. You're welcome to do a bit more research to check if I have been around bargirls and Korean customers before.

Of course, "bargirls always tell us what we want to hear" is also a generalisation. Buddies and I were having the Westerner vs Korean discussion with a Sabang regular that I was totally kunt stuck with. She lamented the then Korean low season as her last Korean customer was into wierd shit but made up for it by being a great payer and having a dick much bigger than mine. Ouch 😳. True story.

Enjoy. G.

[NapaSlapper]

Asians also select girls for totally different reasons to westerners.

Kim selects the prettiest girl to impress his friends, work mates or drinking buddies. He pays over the top amounts so that he appears wealthy to them. Should he actually bar fine her, there is no entertainment or performance expectations. He doesn't care that she can suck start a 747. Her job is done when his friends have been duly impressed at his ability to pull the hottest girl. It's not uncommon for her to be sent home after a 30 minute hit and run. Those that do stay longer, won't be kept up with endless fucking in the hotel room but will be on display bouncing between restaurants and bars.

John might be happy to splash the cash but he wants his pound of flesh in return. She will have to be able to hold a conversation in in English on topics she has no interest in and back at the room he will expect performance to match her salary, likely all night long.

No wonder girls choose the high pay, low effort option.

Enjoy. G.

Nail on the head, fully agree with all that you say, shame some other members cannot see what is truly happening with asians and the way thet do business.

[MoonShot]

Asians also select girls for totally different reasons to westerners.

Kim selects the prettiest girl to impress his friends, work mates or drinking buddies. He pays over the top amounts so that he appears wealthy to them. Should he actually bar fine her, there is no entertainment or performance expectations. He doesn't care that she can suck start a 747. Her job is done when his friends have been duly impressed at his ability to pull the hottest girl. It's not uncommon for her to be sent home after a 30 minute hit and run. Those that do stay longer, won't be kept up with endless fucking in the hotel room but will be on display bouncing between restaurants and bars.

John might be happy to splash the cash but he wants his pound of flesh in return. She will have to be able to hold a conversation in in English on topics she has no interest in and back at the room he will expect performance to match her salary, likely all night long..

I don't think you can categorize all Koreans or all Americans in that manner. Everyone is different. If you take 1000 Koreans or Americans, they are not going to act the same way. I don't think you can even say that most will act a certain way.

As for Koreans, I don't have any first hand knowledge but I don't think you do either. Now, if you are going to rely on the word of bargirls, keep in mind that they don't have a good reputation for honesty. They will tell you what you want to hear. If you are American, they love Americans. If you are Korean, they love Koreans.

We would all agree that bargirls lie but somehow we like to deceive ourselves and believe that they are telling us the truth when it is complimentary to us and insulting to other races.

[Dg8787]

Brother you're not going to do much better than that one on the right anywhere in the world. The face is as cute as that tiny bangin body. She often wanted to hang out during her off time, but alas, a man has to ramble on.

You have to understand and have compassion for some NaySayers. Some like to just drink and not or can't perform therefore trash everything and set high standards for their reasons not to. FG a little compassion and mercy please.

I debated the matter about scoring until I finally understood.

Do it while you can. Monger on.

[FuriousGeorge]

Brother you're not going to do much better than that one on the right anywhere in the world. The face is as cute as that tiny bangin body. She often wanted to hang out during her off time, but alas, a man has to ramble on.

Exactly proves my point.

Each to their own, if your happy then so be it, but please accept that most of my drinking buddies including me are not at all interested in what lollipop bar and most of the other western orientated bars have to offer.

Morale of the story, some set the bar low and some have high standards, be very boring if we all liked the same girls.

[Goferring]

the few who do barfine and are slim, young and pretty always choose the asians, why because they are asian only girls.

As has been said by many, once the asians see a bar girl leave with a non asian she is toast in their eyes, asians like asian only girls,

Asians also select girls for totally different reasons to westerners.

Kim selects the prettiest girl to impress his friends, work mates or drinking buddies. He pays over the top amounts so that he appears wealthy to them. Should he actually bar fine her, there is no entertainment or performance expectations. He doesn't care that she can suck start a 747. Her job is done when his friends have been duly impressed at his ability to pull the hottest girl. It's not uncommon for her to be sent home after a 30 minute hit and run. Those that do stay longer, won't be kept up with endless fucking in the hotel room but will be on display bouncing between restaurants and bars.

John might be happy to splash the cash but he wants his pound of flesh in return. She will have to be able to hold a conversation in in English on topics she has no interest in and back at the room he will expect performance to match her salary, likely all night long.

No wonder girls choose the high pay, low effort option.

Enjoy. G.

[Dg8787]

I confirm FG's talent level from each of my L bar visits on my last two trips the past few months (one trip recently). You can easily find 6-10 like this on stage. There are a few chubs up there also, and the % of chubs increases as the evening wears on, as it should in any gogo as the lookers BF first. Not sure what the naysayers are looking at.

Yes. I can confirm there many others on any given night that are 7+ between 7 pm-10 pm. I am in bed by 10 pm with a 7+ so I can't comment after 10 pm.

[NapaSlapper]

I confirm FG's talent level from each of my L bar visits on my last two trips the past few months (one trip recently). You can easily find 6-10 like this on stage. There are a few chubs up there also, and the % of chubs increases as the evening wears on, as it should in any gogo as the lookers BF first. Not sure what the naysayers are looking at.

The naysayers as you call them might just have a totally different taste in girls than the angeles city tourist board members here, simple really.