Angeles City

[GoodEnough]

GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?

Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.

Southeaster.

I understand your point, and would agree with it, except I don't patronize the bars from which the Koreans get their girls, and I still continue, advanced years notwithstanding, to have a reasonably good time in the city, and don't get refused very often; and believe me, I'm neither young, nor good looking, nor any young woman's idea of a "good catch. " So in that sense, the behavior of the Koreans doesn't affect me. I come to have a good time, and I continue to be able to do so. And that's really all I meant.

GE.

[GoodEnough]

I agree with you. I was mainly focusing on the ones who open small businesses and bars in Angeles. These are not the same class you are referring to.

No argument there. I'm guessing a lot of these guys imagine themselves having access to a harem while making money at the same time. Of course the reality is quite different. I doubt that most bars–unless secretly owned by the well-connected–make much of anything in the way of net profits. I've also been told (with zero substantiation on my part) that the Burgos bars continue to exist for the primary purpose of laundering money from other enterprises. No idea if that's true, but if it is, perhaps the same holds true for some of the Angeles bars as well.

GE.

[BroComplex]

The effect is noticeable when you walk into a place and get a feeling your not wanted there like you got leprosy or something. The girls tend to move way from you on the stage or give you looks of complete indifference to your presents. This are in bars LOA (Now Poseidon) Roadies and After school 3 bars I used to have a ton of fun in. I seem to be getting the I am already barfined excuse has to why they can; t go with me. Really a non welcomed feeling. Now I don't go there anymore. I also have a long time friend at Dollhouse and she's not going out with guys early in her shift because she wants to grab the easy money just standing there on the stage. She also don't like sitting away from the stage case the money flies or the balls drop. Says she makes a few 100 a night doing nothing but picking up ping pong balls or 20 peso notes the Koreans throw around. I once thought about sitting at the stage sit all night at dollhouse and grabbing a few 20's myself LOL.

I heard stories about how foreigners aren't welcomed in after school and I couldn't believe it so I went there to see it for myself. I walked in around 4 pm and there was 7 or 8 girls sitting on the stage, all the perimeter bargirls do this when there is no customers but as soon as someone walks in the start to dance but in after school they ignored me. A waitress asked me what I want to drink and I asked for SML she then disappeared and after 5 minutes of waiting I gave up and went to fields where I'm welcomed.

[BroComplex]

Since you are talking about foreign owned business in the Philippines may I remind you of Lewis one of the owners of Lewis grand hotel and how he mysteriously disappeared after allegedly sold his shares in the hotel and in high society to his Filipino partners.

[Streetlooker]

GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?

Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.

And if not you the same cannot be said for those who unwittingly walk into one of those bars and foolishly buys drinks for girls whom he has no hope of barfining, if they even sit with him at all.

Just saying.

Southeaster.

The effect is noticeable when you walk into a place and get a feeling your not wanted there like you got leprosy or something. The girls tend to move way from you on the stage or give you looks of complete indifference to your presents. This are in bars LOA (Now Poseidon) Roadies and After school 3 bars I used to have a ton of fun in. I seem to be getting the I am already barfined excuse has to why they can; t go with me. Really a non welcomed feeling. Now I don't go there anymore. I also have a long time friend at Dollhouse and she's not going out with guys early in her shift because she wants to grab the easy money just standing there on the stage. She also don't like sitting away from the stage case the money flies or the balls drop. Says she makes a few 100 a night doing nothing but picking up ping pong balls or 20 peso notes the Koreans throw around. I once thought about sitting at the stage sit all night at dollhouse and grabbing a few 20's myself LOL.

[Dg8787]

Yes and no. Foreigners who start businesses here may be highly qualified in their own countries, or in other countries in which the rules are relatively straightforward, corruption is minimal, and the playing field is level. None of those preconditions exist here, and the reason many otherwise qualified foreigners fail is that they don't know the rules, don't have appropriate connections, and given the former, have no idea how to navigate in this country. The only foreigners I know who have started successful businesses are those who have been here for quite a while and who understand most of the informal rules. Please note that the most successful business owner in Angelesa guy who probably owns half the cityis a European.

GE.

I agree with you. I was mainly focusing on the ones who open small businesses and bars in Angeles. These are not the same class you are referring to.

[GoodEnough]

Number #1 reason for 95% of the business failures were the foreigners were never qualified to manage and operate a business. I seriously doubt if the businesses ever got to the point where the law or corruption (or shot and killed noted by CM) affected it prior to closing.

Yes and no. Foreigners who start businesses here may be highly qualified in their own countries, or in other countries in which the rules are relatively straightforward, corruption is minimal, and the playing field is level. None of those preconditions exist here, and the reason many otherwise qualified foreigners fail is that they don't know the rules, don't have appropriate connections, and given the former, have no idea how to navigate in this country. The only foreigners I know who have started successful businesses are those who have been here for quite a while and who understand most of the informal rules. Please note that the most successful business owner in Angeles–a guy who probably owns half the city–is a European.

GE.

[Dg8787]

The accepted business calculation is the usual 80:20 rule (80 new businesses do not make a profit or fail: 20 make a profit). In Philippines, one must additionally include corruption etc. , that brings the ratio to about 95:5. Yes, the law in Philippines is geared against Foreigners. Foreigners are not allowed to directly own retail outlets, houses or land. The legal system is very weak and slow. For an impartial view, without the usual ignorant emotional arguments, check the World Bank survey on "Ease of Doing Business". Malaysia and Thailand have far better World bank ratings. Before opening a "business" think very, very hard about it.

Number #1 reason for 95% of the business failures were the foreigners were never qualified to manage and operate a business. I seriously doubt if the businesses ever got to the point where the law or corruption (or shot and killed noted by CM) affected it prior to closing.

[Dg8787]

Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.

Yep 20 peso bills, some will throw 5 or 10 peso coins. Not a heck of a lot of money, even to the girls. But to some mongers it may be a whole lot of money.

[Fastpiston]

A little ray of sunshine! Thanks for the more positive outlook than the usual negative ones.

Now in America 4 out of 5 businesses will fail in the first 5 years, possibly more like 9 out of 10 will fail. Any different in Philippines? I am wondering where the graveyard is located for all the foreigner business owners?

Puss is always cheaper in bum fxck, Egypt anywhere in the world. For value minded try southern Sudan. Just add in cost of time and transportation.

The accepted business calculation is the usual 80:20 rule (80 new businesses do not make a profit or fail: 20 make a profit). In Philippines, one must additionally include corruption etc. , that brings the ratio to about 95:5. Yes, the law in Philippines is geared against Foreigners. Foreigners are not allowed to directly own retail outlets, houses or land. The legal system is very weak and slow. For an impartial view, without the usual ignorant emotional arguments, check the World Bank survey on "Ease of Doing Business". Malaysia and Thailand have far better World bank ratings. Before opening a "business" think very, very hard about it.

[Pute Nut]

Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.

To me, they seem quite excited. Much more interesting than making eye contact with white punters, at least.

Also, I've often seen quite large stacks of 20's being used, with some girls raking in much more than one or two bills.

[BrainDrain]

Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.

TTM.

This certainly always happens and tapers off. It's just a part of the AC offering to help ease your pain.

[Chocha Monger]

It seems that most mongers are unaware that Fields Avenue and Perimeter Rd are just small parts of the Angeles City sex industry. Area 51, or simply Area to locals, once had over 1,000 brothels in Barangay Sta. Teresita. Area is located approximately 4 kilometers from Fields Ave and serviced poor Filipino men who came by the truckloads from as far north as Tarlac and as far south as Macabebe and Apalit. Filipino fathers and uncles brought their sons and nephews to Area to lose their virginity for P200 or 4 cans of sardines. Foreigners did not venture into Area 51 to make it rain pesos or pay double the rates because the NPA housed insurgents and communist activists there.

Today, Area is in decline with less than 10 brothels remaining. One of Area's former barangay captains attributed the decline to competition from Fields Ave. Ironically, Fields has also seen better days as bars have taken a hit from disruptive technologies like affordable smartphones, cheap internet access, and social networking apps. More girls are working the disco scene. Angeles City has entered the Age of the Freelancer.

[Dg8787]

Just a thanks to all those that made my first trip to the PI, both Makati / Burgous Street & AC, a very memorable one.

Now back in LOS Angeles and already thinking of how and when to plan my next trip.

Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.

TTM.

I feel for you TTman. Withdrawal pain from AC is tough. I will be there in July.

[The Tall Man]

Just a thanks to all those that made my first trip to the PI, both Makati / Burgous Street & AC, a very memorable one.

Now back in LOS Angeles and already thinking of how and when to plan my next trip.

Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.

TTM.