Angeles City

[WestCoast1]

Man you are a careful operator, watermarking your beer and hot sauce.

As for AC / the PI I'm glad I'm not the only corny monger that loves this place.

I'll watermark anything.

Delicious looking spaghetti vongole.

You're talking about the pasta, right? Haha.

I took a photo of one of my regular dates at that location and it became her FB profile pic for a while.

Numerous of my photos have become her (and many other pinay) FB mainstay pics for weeks or months at a time. Shame, huh? Have another look.

[Mh900]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too.

I know some of these ladies are open to P4P but don't know how to broach the subject.

The author of this post seems to be an absolute frigging illiterate knob.

I suggest idiots like these who write crap like this should be rightly ignored.

He is one of those absolute morons who thinks that girls in Angeles City are waiting for his 10 peso donations in his $10 hotel room, these are the sort of losers who think that their presence in AC have the girls salivating; for Christsake man, you can take your $10 per week and spend it in Kamatipura in Mumbai. And for those of those who don't know, Kamatipura is a 50 c hooker area in Mumbai where this joker seems to come from.

Get a frigging life.

[Member #4558]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too...

HM you must have used some time writing this report. You could find answers to most, if not all, of your questions if your gadgets scroll function is working and you go back a few pages in less time than creating your post. There are even one designated Angeles accommodation thread and one exclusive Manila hotel thread. I mean did you just accidentally land here in ISG? Good luck reading.

[Dg8787]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too.

At least some cell numbers.

I really don't want to get into a relationship with anyone right now. But I would like to fuck some of them.

I just wonder if maybe P4P might be the best route..

Only one way to find out.

[Socker]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too.

At least some cell numbers.

I really don't want to get into a relationship with anyone right now. But I would like to fuck some of them.

I just wonder if maybe P4P might be the best route.

Maybe I will just try different things and see what works best...

These incessant silly questions are ridiculous. Use your common sense and RTFF!

I'm tired of helping guys who don't do their homework. On my first trip I didn't impose the board w / these kinds of questions.

Go back a couple of years on the forum pertaining to your destination and read it. Then you will be left w / a few valid questions that guys here will be happy to answer.

I'd personally like it if you stayed at the $10 hotels you found and then post your experiences in the proper forum.

That should be entertaining read for everyone here. Oh, and get a $10 FL to keep you company. RTFF.

[Simmer]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila?

I have used the Swagman bus. Opposite the US Embassy in Manila is a small backpacker's hotel called the Swagman and something like 3 x a day a bus (or minivan) goes to AC for 600 Php each way (might be 650, can't quite recall). Certainly not the cheapest method but it's easy. Buy a ticket inside the hotel. Stops about halfway for 10-15 minutes for a [CodeWord134] break.

Public buses are cheaper but involve trikes at the AC end I believe.

Uber, taxi... ?

Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

Be wary. Might be okay, might be a shithole for that price. I initially paid for a cheaper room at the Swagman hotel in AC, walked in, walked back to reception and paid for a better room. It was pretty awful. The better room wasn't great either but was at least in the main bar / pool area. A little too far from the action too.

[Janboi]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too.

At least some cell numbers.

I really don't want to get into a relationship with anyone right now. But I would like to fuck some of them.

I just wonder if maybe P4P might be the best route.

Maybe I will just try different things and see what works best.

What are your opinions about freelancers in AC and dating site girls?

Here's a chunk of conversation you might find interesting.

Headline: looking to have some fun and more.

Me- It says. Looking to have some fun and more.

What does that mean?

Her- I'm into friends with benefits.

Me- Sounds good to me.

Me- How does that work?

Her- Well I will go with you then you will give for me also.

Me- That sounds fair.

How would you handle a situation like that?

Would you talk acts and prices.

Or would you jut show up and treat her like a date?

I know some of these ladies are open to P4P but don't know how to broach the subject.

[X Man]

Been there, done that. It's also fun to look down at the antics of the lady boys. Your second photo just shows a few plastic chairs, but it tends to be ladyboy central. I actually like the food at the faux-Greek place better, but the faux Italian place does have it's charms, as you have noted. I took a photo of one of my regular dates at that location and it became her FB profile pic for a while.

SNIP
Speaking of an outdoor resto (not in AC), there's a small place in Mango Square, pizza, pasta and such. Its upstairs-only, with about eight 2-4 person tables (pics below). SNIP

[Socker]

Its the intangibles in phils. While so many things go wrong (girls late, infrastructure, internet speed, culture), there are (almost by accident, it seems) so many other things that go right. For instance, you get a full GFE when you least expect it (ie, a bargirl or first time you meet a dating site girl). Even though you are clear with a dating site girl that you want nawty only, she keeps coming back, becoming more friendly each time, apparently just for the thrill of hanging around with you.

Speaking of an outdoor resto (not in AC), there's a small place in Mango Square, pizza, pasta and such. Its upstairs-only, with about eight 2-4 person tables (pics below). My long-time cebuana, who I've posted multiple times in the PG, provides the exact simple pleasures Socker speaks of. Walking down Mango, having one drink and live band in several bars, then having dinner at this place (you walk up a skinny set of stairs to get up to the tables), with a nice breeze blowing, just being quiet with her, holding hands, and people-watching while modestly (ok fairly) drunk, was a magical experience. She never had clams / pasta before: "I enjoy so much". Her amazing heat in the dark is another magical experience. I close my eyes and I can still hear the noisy jeeps moving up Maxilom Avenue towards the circle; I can taste her breath while she was kissing me in the hotel later.

Careful Westy, that almost sounded romantic. You don't do romance, right? Westy? Westy?

Man you are a careful operator, watermarking your beer and hot sauce.

As for AC / the PI I'm glad I'm not the only corny monger that loves this place.

The strange thing for me when comparing Cebu w / Makati are the very hot Cebuanas working the Mango Bars are extremely arrogant, at least a couple of years ago that is. Some extremely beautiful women working those bars but they're Drink S**ts or K only. They're pros at playing / suckering you to buy drinks and then not delivering on their promises. It gets tired watching the mama ordering dancer line ups for the Ks when they arrive, makes me sick after a while. I took Cebu off my rotation because of this. Then there is Makati w / close to the same level of real beautiful women but they treat you well. That tells you it the bar owners who are calling the shots.

In AC things have come around and it's more western friendly than say 3 years ago. There are still K only beauties but far and few between. So many different types there but you really have to look in many bars to see them all.

They are little gems all over that town. Perimeter Rd in the afternoon and Fields at night. Thank you God!

Hell, you can walk into Atlantis or Crystal Palace and every lady has the same body type, skinny and flat. Looks very but for the most part they're all average looking ladies. Same w / my last AC visit, I'm in the Crystal Palace and enjoying the show and the ladies are as I described, moving slow to the music. I'm in there 15 minutes and then I notice a guy sitting nearby called a lady down and she was real nice. I thought, man that guy is good, I sure didn't see her and he did and pulled her. I was shocked I didn't see her.

Another time I was in the CP and I called down a tall beauty and she was a rare AC find. It was really early and so I bar fined her and told her I would come back for her after a couple of hours, let her make some drink money. I come back and I'm looking looking looking and then I decide to look behind me. Yep, she was sitting on a couch w / another monger and I thought no problem but it turned out to be a big problem for me. She finally came over to me and asked if she could get out of the barfine and I said of course. Unfortunately the guy must have kept her my entire stay. She never work another night while I was there.

The advanced bar fine technique doesn't always pan out. LOL. Thanks guys.

[Hutsori]

"I enjoy so much".

Delicious looking spaghetti vongole.

[WestCoast1]

The above sentiment is one reason I love the place. Sitting at an outdoor restaurant and watch the street kids duel over supremacy or just play and laugh is a gift for me. Sometimes we miss the simple pleasures for one reason or the other, especially here.

Its the intangibles in phils. While so many things go wrong (girls late, infrastructure, internet speed, culture), there are (almost by accident, it seems) so many other things that go right. For instance, you get a full GFE when you least expect it (ie, a bargirl or first time you meet a dating site girl). Even though you are clear with a dating site girl that you want nawty only, she keeps coming back, becoming more friendly each time, apparently just for the thrill of hanging around with you.

Speaking of an outdoor resto (not in AC), there's a small place in Mango Square, pizza, pasta and such. Its upstairs-only, with about eight 2-4 person tables (pics below). My long-time cebuana, who I've posted multiple times in the PG, provides the exact simple pleasures Socker speaks of. Walking down Mango, having one drink and live band in several bars, then having dinner at this place (you walk up a skinny set of stairs to get up to the tables), with a nice breeze blowing, just being quiet with her, holding hands, and people-watching while modestly (ok fairly) drunk, was a magical experience. She never had clams / pasta before: "I enjoy so much". Her amazing heat in the dark is another magical experience. I close my eyes and I can still hear the noisy jeeps moving up Maxilom Avenue towards the circle; I can taste her breath while she was kissing me in the hotel later.

Careful Westy, that almost sounded romantic. You don't do romance, right? Westy? Westy?

[WestCoast1]

Here's my idea of a very cute 6. I have the proof for the board, and just just the talk.

Ya, I'd hit that!

[StudBucket]

I'm sure the Fraidy Cats here would deem me, "the ugly", haha. I wouldn't argue with them either because the truth is ugly for most of them.

I dig your take on international mongering and have learned much from you polite information. I have had problems w / some here because they can't explain themselves w / out putting others down as was recently done.

The innuendo here is what I consider a backdoor insult. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so if I like a cute 6 and she's wonderful company, it's beneath some here. For me that's an insult.

I like to see proof but NS has none of his stellar taste in women to post here. A censored pic would be all it takes but he has none, zero.

I could cherry pick more backdoor slights but I'll leave it at that. I do think NS has good intentions but lacks tack in the above quote.

So Natty your trip sounds awesome and bringing your ladies to Palawan is going to be so much fun. I wish we could hook up but the timing is off.

As for the comparisons of AC and other places there just aren't any. But when I'm there in that poor little Las Vegas I am in awe of the locals. It's all about survival and pleasure which creates this interesting huge paradox.

I don't feel sorry for anyone there, or anywhere else in the world, there's so much to learn if you're human. Some / most people will never get it.

So what is it that makes AC so special for me is the raw world in which they survive and some thrive. After my 4 weeks in Thailand it was so refreshing to not be judged on my age, looks, or disposition. I am an American buyer of their services and that's all.

I look as many locals (I can) in the eye and we make a connection, a good one 99% of the time. The place is not for everyone and on this board we all should respect the guys that do love the place for whatever reason they choose.

The above sentiment is one reason I love the place. Sitting at an outdoor restaurant and watch the street kids duel over supremacy or just play and laugh is a gift for me. Sometimes we miss the simple pleasures for one reason or the other, especially here.

But you (Natty) don't and that's what we have in common. Plus we're after the same type of women which I will tell you aren't readily available in AC. What makes up for this is casual and simplistic nature of most bar girls.

In Makati you will find most women in the trade have bank accounts and some go to college. They dress nicely and there are many more exotic beauties to choose from, they're big city women, and they provide the same passion as their country pumpkin counterparts in AC. The only thing lacking is that they adhere to the clock regarding short time or long time. Still I have never felt rushed w the big city Makati ladies and I can enjoy the night w / them for a few hours ending in a blissful session in my room.

The AC ladies will look at you funny if you ask them if they have a bank account as to imply they don't even know what that is. A couple of years ago w / one Doll House dancer w / a lot of class the next morning as we were getting ready to part she asked me a question. She asked if I thought she should be giving money to her cousin and of course I said, are you crazy? She thinks her income from this rough trade is meant for all her family and that tomorrow does not exist. That's how they think in AC. Their world is incredibly different than ours and that's another reason I love the women there. They have such big hearts it's refreshing to be w / them.

There are many reasons to visit AC and for those like NS that only think of the looks of the women. That's fine of course but you're missing out on the beauty of life in general. If you're only interested in the DDG stunners do not go to AC. It's all very simple and no one is better than the other on both sides of the playing field, bar girls, market owners, bankers, hotel operators, Viagra venders. Same as on our side, if you like them super fine or you like them short and plump.

I got to hit the road so I can't finish. Natty you add so much to this board and many here are aware so this gives me hope.

Cheers and we'll chat soon.

Here's my idea of a very cute 6. I have the proof for the board, and just just the talk.

Great post Socker, I couldn't agree with you more! You are a man of wisdom.

[Socker]

I am glad to hear this. I haven't been back to AC in a couple of years, not because I had a bad time or "could not find charming cute little women" there, on the contrary, I had some great times in AC and I fondly remember two very cute cousins from the former One Eyed Wench bar I had the pleasure of and several Burgos quality hotties that I hooked up with from Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile or whatever that bar is now called) and some other Fields bars. But the main reason I haven't returned recently to AC is because of the even better ie sexier, more wild, less inhibited, yet more GFE girls I currently have in Manila. Like I said in an earlier post, it is hard for me to tear myself away from my Burgos girls. For example, I am planning to take Susan and Maggie on a holiday beach vacation to Palawan on my next visit. The three of us may raise some eyebrows from the hotel staff on our quiet secluded beach, but I don't care. I love my girls, LOL, and I find two is better than one because of the virtues of menage a trois obviously, but also because the girls can amuse themselves whenever I wish to relax and take some time off. Ha Ha.

I agree with you that AC is a unique kind of place..

I'm sure the Fraidy Cats here would deem me, "the ugly", haha. I wouldn't argue with them either because the truth is ugly for most of them.

I dig your take on international mongering and have learned much from you polite information. I have had problems w / some here because they can't explain themselves w / out putting others down as was recently done.

Studbucket,

For me it is probably one of the worst destinations to find the type of girls I am attracted to, I am not interested in the slightest in 5, 6.7's, not even if they were paying me.

The innuendo here is what I consider a backdoor insult. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so if I like a cute 6 and she's wonderful company, it's beneath some here. For me that's an insult.

I like to see proof but NS has none of his stellar taste in women to post here. A censored pic would be all it takes but he has none, zero.

I could cherry pick more backdoor slights but I'll leave it at that. I do think NS has good intentions but lacks tack in the above quote.

So Natty your trip sounds awesome and bringing your ladies to Palawan is going to be so much fun. I wish we could hook up but the timing is off.

As for the comparisons of AC and other places there just aren't any. But when I'm there in that poor little Las Vegas I am in awe of the locals. It's all about survival and pleasure which creates this interesting huge paradox.

I don't feel sorry for anyone there, or anywhere else in the world, there's so much to learn if you're human. Some / most people will never get it.

So what is it that makes AC so special for me is the raw world in which they survive and some thrive. After my 4 weeks in Thailand it was so refreshing to not be judged on my age, looks, or disposition. I am an American buyer of their services and that's all.

I look as many locals (I can) in the eye and we make a connection, a good one 99% of the time. The place is not for everyone and on this board we all should respect the guys that do love the place for whatever reason they choose.

The above sentiment is one reason I love the place. Sitting at an outdoor restaurant and watch the street kids duel over supremacy or just play and laugh is a gift for me. Sometimes we miss the simple pleasures for one reason or the other, especially here.

But you (Natty) don't and that's what we have in common. Plus we're after the same type of women which I will tell you aren't readily available in AC. What makes up for this is casual and simplistic nature of most bar girls.

In Makati you will find most women in the trade have bank accounts and some go to college. They dress nicely and there are many more exotic beauties to choose from, they're big city women, and they provide the same passion as their country pumpkin counterparts in AC. The only thing lacking is that they adhere to the clock regarding short time or long time. Still I have never felt rushed w the big city Makati ladies and I can enjoy the night w / them for a few hours ending in a blissful session in my room.

The AC ladies will look at you funny if you ask them if they have a bank account as to imply they don't even know what that is. A couple of years ago w / one Doll House dancer w / a lot of class the next morning as we were getting ready to part she asked me a question. She asked if I thought she should be giving money to her cousin and of course I said, are you crazy? She thinks her income from this rough trade is meant for all her family and that tomorrow does not exist. That's how they think in AC. Their world is incredibly different than ours and that's another reason I love the women there. They have such big hearts it's refreshing to be w / them.

There are many reasons to visit AC and for those like NS that only think of the looks of the women. That's fine of course but you're missing out on the beauty of life in general. If you're only interested in the DDG stunners do not go to AC. It's all very simple and no one is better than the other on both sides of the playing field, bar girls, market owners, bankers, hotel operators, Viagra venders. Same as on our side, if you like them super fine or you like them short and plump.

I got to hit the road so I can't finish. Natty you add so much to this board and many here are aware so this gives me hope.

Cheers and we'll chat soon.

[StudBucket]

Excellent question StudBucket. I agree with you that the Burgos Bar's Barfine is completely out of control. Plus it is killing business. The girls are the first to realize this. Thus whenever you have an economic situation where prices are set artificially too high without taking into account real supply and true demand forces, you create an environment where a grey market can come into existence and flourish. As I understand it, this grey market is now the current situation in Burgos Bars where the girls will go around the bar and see their REGULAR customers privately on their own. The mamasans are not stupid and must realize something is a tither whenever a popular girls does not show up at the bar for a week, but there is a sort of nod and a wink approach as long as the violation is not in the mamasan's face. So I paid my girls 4400 pesos each (including generous tips) for approximately 5 hours of their mutual time per session which included everything on my to do list including one shot per vagina. Dinner and drinks were always a part of our arrangement. The only time I paid the barfine at this bar was on my last night in town when I told the girls beforehand that I wanted to party at their bar and have a really good send off. They warned me it was going to be very expensive, but I told them I did not care. And boy did we have a party. And boy was it expensive with my two girls' barfine + a negotiated barfine and drinks for their DUFF (dumb ugly fat friend - just kidding) + a few shots for the mamasan (and she comped a few shots back to me) + small tip for the waitress and bartender + 4400 pesos each for my girls + 1000 pesos for their DUFF who I did not shag, but who blew me a few times anyway. It was the best night I have had in at least 4 or 5 years.

My best advice as to how to get into this type of relationship is to just let it happen organically on its own. Your idea of arranging after hour dates is a good one. You can also try to arrange an afternoon before work liaison as well. But if that approach does not work out, you can always do what I did which was to pay the full tab, barfine included, and take the girls out of the bar. Then once a friendly relationship has been established, it has been my experience with a number of different Burgos bar girls including the two I am currently running around with, that they will bring up the direct visits work around on their own in an effort to keep me on their books as a regular recurring customer. You don't have to see the girls EVERY night like I did, ha ha, but once or twice a week ought to provide enough incentive for the girls to make the offer. The Burgos girls I know all want customers! The key is you have to like repeating with the girl, a lot of punters are not into this, and you have to be willing to pay to full bill (barfine plus service) initially until you find a girl or girls that want to enter the grey market with you. Rogues Bar might be a good place to begin. It is a good no hassle bar and they have the least expensive barfine on Burgos of 1600 pesos last time I checked. Kojax is the hottest bar right now and its barfine is now 2900 pesos up from 2500 pesos in 2015. Girls usually want an equivalent amount for themselves so a Rogues girl will want 1600 or 1700 pesos while a Kojax girl will want 2900 or 3000 p and a Bottoms girl will want 3900 p. Always confer with the mamas an before you start buying rounds so it is understood how many lady Tequilas are included in the barfine.

I hope all this helps. I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.

Thanks Natty, I thought this may be the case (that you do have to bar fine them at least the first time to establish this type of arrangement) but its a great strategy if you spend more time in Manila/Makati. My problem is I am only passing through Makati for about 3 nights max before I hit AC for 10 to 14 days and I am only in the Phillies twice a year. I have bar fined girls from Rogues due to the attractive bar fine, but last time I was there in June, Rogues had very poor selection and small amount of girls. I walked into Kojax, and it was by far and away the best club (I did visit most of the other bars) qualitywise, and Bottoms was a distant second. Oh well, back to the drawing board for me in Makati.

SB.