Angeles City

[GoodEnough]

It's not only alcohol, or any other ingested stimuli that can culminate in disastrous choices. Some of the middle aged to older newbies who flock here, and who are unaccustomed to the instant availability of nubile young things, experience a break with reason, and begin to believe that they're again 25, fit, toned and desirable, and the wilier girls can sense and bolster the illusion. I'm sure that virtually all of us who have lived in the region for a while have met men of this genre, some of whom are beyond reasoning. How many times have many of us heard variations on the theme: "I know what you're saying, but she's different. She really likes me," or "we really have a connection. " Many others become victims of the Pygmallion syndrome, and believe they can transform the bar girl who has taken their fancy. Others some to see themselves as saviors, who can rescue their chosen from lives of poverty and danger. There's no reasoning with the deeply smitten though we all know how the inevitable unhappy ending will be written.

GE.

[Threadbare]

I am planning my next trip to Angeles for next year and I am curious about Subic. I like the laid back beach atmosphere of Pattaya and I'll be heading there after Angeles. Is Subic like a mini (very mini) version of Pattaya except of course with Pinays? Specifically I like the idea of laying on the beach during the day and hitting the bars at night in both places but I have no Subic experience. So would you break up a week in AC with a few nights in Subic or would you just do your week in AC then get your beach jones out of the way in Pattaya?

Subic is certainly no Pattaya. I haven't been to Pattaya for a few years now, but Subic is like really quiet, just a few girl bars. But it does have a beach, and last year at least a couple of floating bars a few metres off the beach, where the bar girls start work around midday. I went last year to meet a DIA girl, and going back in January, breaking. G up a week in AC. It's nice, but Pattaya it ain't! And of course the girls are Phillies, which I prefer anyway.

[Screaming Beaver]

I know the Philipino Economy is in a Free Fall!

It is? That's news to me. Their stock market and currency seems to be doing quite well compared to other countries. It is hardly what can be referred to as a free fall.

[CrownRoyal]

I am planning my next trip to Angeles for next year and I am curious about Subic. I like the laid back beach atmosphere of Pattaya and I'll be heading there after Angeles. Is Subic like a mini (very mini) version of Pattaya except of course with Pinays? Specifically I like the idea of laying on the beach during the day and hitting the bars at night in both places but I have no Subic experience. So would you break up a week in AC with a few nights in Subic or would you just do your week in AC then get your beach jones out of the way in Pattaya?

The beach at Subic is better than Pattaya, proper at least. But when I was in Pattaya I had a house in Pratumnak Hills so I hit the beach in Jomtien, which was far better than the beach in Pattaya IMHO. I think Jomtien is better than Subic.

I rented a cottage at Baloy some time ago for a few months. I believe the former owner sold the property so I'm not sure of any new 'rules', but when I was there during the summer months they ran huge numbers of buses up from Manila on the weekends and the place was miserably packed. They must have brought in 1,000 people on the buses. I know that happened when school was out for the summer, but I can't remember the months that occurred. During the week it was fine. If you end up going there, there was a Filipino that strolled that beach every day selling Banana que. I have yet to find better banana que any where in the PI.

I was Domestically Incarcerated when I was there so I didn't have a chance to play, but there were a lot of bars around Subic and especially in Olongapo.

I've spent close to a year in Copacabana so there aren't many beaches that do anything for me now. If it were me, I'd stay in AC, but if you absolutely have to get sand where the sun don't shine, I'm sure you'd enjoy Subic.

Jackson, I know you read my reports before posting. I see a lot of your comments about people using hard returns. You may not be aware of this, but when I type in your vBulletin window, the text does not wrap as I am typing. When I 'preview' or post, the text wraps but not while typing. I can type a really long paragraph and the text will literally be 10 feet long on the screen. I'm sure people are hitting enter (return) so they can see what they are typing. This same issue occurs in the USASG software as well.

FYI. I am using Win 7 with a Firefox browser. All my software is up to date with patches, bug fixes etc.

[Lou32]

I am planning my next trip to Angeles for next year and I am curious about Subic. I like the laid back beach atmosphere of Pattaya and I'll be heading there after Angeles. Is Subic like a mini (very mini) version of Pattaya except of course with Pinays? Specifically I like the idea of laying on the beach during the day and hitting the bars at night in both places but I have no Subic experience. So would you break up a week in AC with a few nights in Subic or would you just do your week in AC then get your beach jones out of the way in Pattaya?

[ForceSteeler]

Hey Guys,

I'm planning a trip to Angeles City next year. I have not been to angeles in over 2 years? Anything new I should look out for? I know the Philipino Economy is in a Free Fall! How is the Bar Fine? Can you still bar fine? There's one thing I kinda hate about Angeles City Compared to many other mongering spots, There are just too many half way working girls in Angeles, Most of the really hot bar girls like to run scams and would rather milk costumers for lady drinks, then to do a Bar Fine. Its like I have to Play and Run Games on them and still have to pay for the pussy. Isn't that the whole reason why we pay for pussy? So I don't have to play games? If I wanted to play games I would just get me a normal chick, Its Call DATING! But anyways I'm rambling. Just wanted a update on the scene.

[WestCoast1]

Alcohol and bad judgement. How many stories have been told of these two playing havoc with people's lives?

I would take it a step further, and say its all bad judgment. Anyone who drinks to the point of the alcohol effecting his judgment (even if that's just 1 drink) is showing: bad judgment. However, I am expressing only an opinion. The aussie that was sending money (that he couldn't afford) to provincial girls whom he'd never meet, is also entitled to his own opinion.

[Mua Tur]

The massive amount of bar girl scams are well known (and well documented on this forum), yet still the zombies still walk straight into the obvious open traps.

I had a peculiar experience in regards of service girls, but not here in PI, it is in Bangkok, Thailand and the relativity of the topics I cannot stop myself to share my experience with the board.

I was staying in Hotel Amari, Pratunam, Bangkok and I saw a massage girl in the hotel lounge going back after finishing an outcall service. I m not a sucker of service girls (since I have plenty of freebies waiting in serial for dates), but her amazing body shape and full mouth smile made me instant inclined to her. We made an appointment and decided after work she is coming to see me. Well, all done nicely, I find this girl tried her best to make me happy in all respect. I was expecting this kind of super lookers could be find snobbish or nosy. But with me she was not.

The Hick up started when I saw a Dutch guy (50+ yrs) waiting for me in lounge next morning. He showed the pic of same massage girl and tried to warn me not to meet her. Because he is going to marry her and he is going to take her with him in Denmark. I ignored him and advised him to mind his own business and let me do the same. Surprisingly I saw the girl in afternoon in same place I met before. I thought she is here for some other client but she claimed she came to see me and that make me awkward and I requested her don't do this again if you are not invited. I informed her about the Dutch guy and keep me out of their business. Instantly her face gets off and she leaved the place silently (After a week I checked her said massage joint in Phetchbury road, but I did not find her).

This incidence drives me crazy because I had an appointment with my girl in this hotel in evening. I get afraid if the crazy Dutch sucker's balloon starts flying from the massage house to my hotel that may harm my date. For this date I invested a pretty good amount of time. I changed my date plan from this hotel to another hotel at soi 64, Sukhumvit. And cost me another USD40.00.

[Blanquiceleste]

For instance, a guy in AC being affectioned by a bargirl (as referenced by the article above) might not realize he's being played. He might indeed actually believe the girl is his new best-friend, and that she's actually laughing at his humor

Alcohol and bad judgement. How many stories have been told of these two playing havoc with people's lives?

[Screaming Beaver]

Maybe the zombies lack self confidence, self esteem and fear rejection.

Bingo! The women they have had to deal with back home left them a shell of a former man they used to be. As they sashay into Doll House or Ice Bar and notice these women actually take a shining to them they go a bit crazy and end up doing anything they are asked to do, financial and otherwise. That's how they have been trained by the women back home. The only difference now is they are actually getting laid but at the end of the day they are still being played for a chump.

[Red Dogger]

For sure, go to AC and enjoy the cheap pussy, however I am always totally amazed the way guys lose their common sense when they go to AC. They send money to bar girls. They even marry them, commonly supporting kids that are clearly not their own. They often even pretend the kids are actually their own (no DNA tests done of course). Time and again I have observed the kids' Filipino father lurking in the background acting as a trike driver or cousin or whatever. The massive amount of bar girl scams are well known (and well documented on this forum), yet still the zombies still walk straight into the obvious open traps. What is really amazing is that there are so many available, very interested, beautiful Filipinas in the country outside the bars, yet the zombies have no interest in these. A large number are also professionally qualified. Maybe the zombies lack self confidence, self esteem and fear rejection.

Obviously you should assume any girl who resides in Pampanga or Manila is a working girl. While not every girl in Pampanga or Manila is a working girl, and not every girl outside Pampanga or Manila is a virgin, it is a remarkably good starting approximation.

Secondly, I think the guys you are calling zombies cannot pass shit tests. A non working girl will always shit test you, so if you cannot pass shit tests, always wind up with working girls.

[Red Dogger]

some of my long time angeles friends still swear blind they find and have sex with model looking angeles bargirls every day,always pay next to nothing pesos and have to throw the girl out at lunch time kicking and screamig,yes dream on i say,

things have changed drastically over the last few years,girls have got mighty choosy on who they will barfine with if at all,it all comes down to the ability of girls to earn easy pesos in so many ways,

You get better looking girls on FilipinoCupid, but of course there are a lot of girls on Filipino Cupid who are angling for some guy to send them 3000 pesos a week. Preferably an old fat guy who is incapable of sex, or does not want sex all that often.

This is not too bad a deal assuming that you visit her and she visits you from time to time and you are in fact capable of having lots of sex.

Filipinas you meet on the internet are sometimes motivated to get as much money as possible for as little sex as possible from as many men as possible, but this is more readily detectable than you might think. Girls that are reasonably interested in sex will shit test you as usual like the regular non pro girls that they are, will not send out what are suspiciously like spam letters, will not keep asking you for a date, etc.

Motivations of Filipinas you meet on the internet.

1. Extracting money, preferably with no more sex than absolutely necessary.

2. Expensive entertainment. Preferably without any sex.

3. Money is status, want to fuck some guy in an expensive place, and put photos on facebook and instagram to show all their friends that they did a threesome in the Boracay Shangrila.

4. Money is status, want to fuck some guy with status.

5. Sex with some guy that afford a nice place to fuck them.

So you want to filter out one and two, and focus on four and five. So how do you tell if a girl is actually attracted to you? You are old ugly bald and fat. Will any girl be attracted to you?

Watch for shit tests. Girls cannot help shit testing men they are attracted to just as men cannot help looking at girls boobs.

[Fastpiston]

A buddy of mine moved to AC this time last year. Before that he had lived in Costa Rica, all over Dominican Republic, and all over Brazil. He was supposed to be moving to Thailand on my recommendation but I have no idea how he ended up in AC instead. For at least 5 years I have been waiting for him to at least visit Thailand. Every few months he says that he is coming but then doesn't. His last excuse maybe 6 months ago was that he has to get his money together. The chick who he was dating in Angeles City died and he is now taking care of her 3 daughters. I jumped in his shit. What the fuck man. That is not your responsibility. You knew this chick all of 2 months maybe. Your kids are grown. Why are you voluntarily taking care of someone else's kids when you are on a fixed income? It was evident that he became sour with me after that. A few weeks ago though he said that he finally realized that it was not his responsibility. Whether he is still doing it though god only knows.

For sure, go to AC and enjoy the cheap pussy, however I am always totally amazed the way guys lose their common sense when they go to AC. They send money to bar girls. They even marry them, commonly supporting kids that are clearly not their own. They often even pretend the kids are actually their own (no DNA tests done of course). Time and again I have observed the kids' Filipino father lurking in the background acting as a trike driver or cousin or whatever. The massive amount of bar girl scams are well known (and well documented on this forum), yet still the zombies still walk straight into the obvious open traps. What is really amazing is that there are so many available, very interested, beautiful Filipinas in the country outside the bars, yet the zombies have no interest in these. A large number are also professionally qualified. Maybe the zombies lack self confidence, self esteem and fear rejection.

[Mr Enternational]

He also said that he was supporting several girls, both in AC and other provinces. He was sending each a few thousand pesos each month. However he had never met 2 of them (province) and said the he would probably never meet them. Finally I asked, given his financial situation, is that wise? "No. But. We have an obligation to help these people, right? I mean its our job, right?" Well, I thought, no, its not our job. My job is to my boss. But I understand how he felt. Its the same emotional sucker-punch every girl applies when her back is up against the wall, and he was falling for it. Many men can't resist -- and don't want to; they justify by saying "its our job, right"?

A buddy of mine moved to AC this time last year. Before that he had lived in Costa Rica, all over Dominican Republic, and all over Brazil. He was supposed to be moving to Thailand on my recommendation but I have no idea how he ended up in AC instead. For at least 5 years I have been waiting for him to at least visit Thailand. Every few months he says that he is coming but then doesn't. His last excuse maybe 6 months ago was that he has to get his money together. The chick who he was dating in Angeles City died and he is now taking care of her 3 daughters. I jumped in his shit. What the fuck man. That is not your responsibility. You knew this chick all of 2 months maybe. Your kids are grown. Why are you voluntarily taking care of someone else's kids when you are on a fixed income? It was evident that he became sour with me after that. A few weeks ago though he said that he finally realized that it was not his responsibility. Whether he is still doing it though god only knows.

[WestCoast1]

Good posts.

So, lets work out the amounts I do know about, salary, drinks and the occasional barfine and our little princess is on roughly 70,000 pesos per month, not bad considering a lawyer, doctor, accountant who studied for years earns way less per month.

Sounds about right.

Why is the 80 k php / month hard to believe?

Its not. See related story below.

I know a girl, in another country, who is easily pulling in 3 or 4 times that amount. She never meets, or even agrees to meet anyone, never promises to do anything with anyone, and the guys throw money, just to chat and watch her on cam. She averages 3 or 4 times on cam per week, usually for an hour, and makes about $400 USD in an hour. About once per month she does a special show for 3 or 4 hours and always makes at least $1000, and has made as much as $4000.

Sounds more like this girl is a naked cam girl, which is different from bargirls or regular dating-site type girls.

There are plenty of guys who will throw money, even without the promise of sex. Add the promise of sex and I would believe an average girl could easily get 80 k php.

Yes. The promise of sex pays more. Many strippers in high-end american clubs don't need to go to a hotel with a guy after her shift, in fact they refuse to do anything like that. They can make lots of money on tips with the "look" or hint of sex (never providing the actual end-product).

I have always read guys here say that the first step is to buy them drinks and give them tips so they don't think you are cheap. And then they tell their friends and everybody thinks he is a good guy and wants a turn. I appears to be working like a charm.

Spot on.

Related story. Its a repeat from a few years back. A manila girl I used to write about here, mid-30's at the time, I referred to her as the Dynamo, as her sexuality was strong, deep, and never-ending. She had two daughters, at the time aged 13 and 16. Each had on online boyfriend from the US, garnered from DIA. The mother sat in on many of the YM chat sessions between daughter and her US boyfriends. Each boyfriend was older, in his 80's, and physically unable to travel due to medical ills. The men were carefully chosen by mom. She said there were a number of such older gents the girls met thru DIA, and the mom would analyze each one for age, (in) ability to travel, and money. The mom chose for each girl one guy. The older gents were sending, if I recollect correctly, the 13 year-old $350 USD / month, and the 16 year-old $250-300/ month. That is about 15 k PHP each gent per month, and each girl was allowed to have only one online boyfriend at a time. Mom intercepted all money (she had the ID) and gave the girls very little. The extra she saved for college and herself. The men never knew the real ages of the girls, they believed each girl was 18 when they met online.

If each girl were to have been allowed 3-4 such suitors, you see how that could grow towards the 80 k for AC or regular girls who juggle various online interests. She said she instructed her girls to never discuss sex with the men, and never to suggest to the men that they visit phils. It would not matter, as the both gents had already said they could never travel. Both gents would later pass away at different times (or, simply never be heard from again), and mom replaced them quickly for new suitors with new DIA ads.

Interestingly, both girls are grown and out of the home, away in college or graduated. Although the oldest has finished college (HRM) and graduated, she has not found work. However, she learned well from mama, and has continued the tradition of finding DIA guys with deep pockets who have no hope of travel (as has the younger girl). Mom no longer needs to provide for them. This is an amazing scheme, as it seems to me to be perpetual, and if one handles more than one 'cano at a time, quite lucrative. Another point of interest: the mother has met an American, also older. He *is* able to travel, but not often. He met her in Manila 3 years ago, and has since built her a large home in her Luzon province. He spends most of his time living in a rehab-type facility in the US, but travels to see her for 1-3 weeks each time, 1-2 times / year. To show you how well the mom can play this game: Before meeting her new guy, she insisted that he wire her half the money she needed to buy the property and start building the home -- and he sent it (it was agreed that when the home was going up, he would make his first visit and spend time in her province, then give her the rest of the money to complete the home, and he did all that). She has invited me to bus up from Manila several times, both when he is away and also when he is present. I declined (busy with other girls), especially so when he is there with her in the province. The purpose of our meetings is nawty, and going into another man's home to boff his girlfriend is a bit touchy. She said not to worry as he is unable to perform the nawty act himself (emphysema, diabetes, old age) and he does not mind me sleeping with her. She asked if it was OK with me if the old bird videotaped our sessions. I politely declined. I might make it up there one day when he's not there.

Even younger men can be stupid. Few years ago I was sitting having a drink in an AC bar. Not the kind of dancers-on-stage bar, but just a small bar with waitresses who are available for takeout. The location of the bar is such: Sitting at Phillies, looking straight across the street at the PNP kiosk, look just to the right, you will see a massage place (or 2) just where Fields splits off to become Mitchell Avenue. The bar is located next to the massage places; the front of the bar appeared as wood or logs, you sit inside the bar and face Mitchell Ave (across Mitchell Ave on the wall, looking to your left, used to be the message painted on the wall: "Don't take a leak here". It was afternoon and a young man aged 20-25 came in, got a beer, and started chatting me up. Nice young man, aussie. Later in the conversation he admitted that his day job didn't really afford him the money to travel to phils and party, but he was hooked on it. He also said that he was supporting several girls, both in AC and other provinces. He was sending each a few thousand pesos each month. However he had never met 2 of them (province) and said the he would probably never meet them. Finally I asked, given his financial situation, is that wise? "No. But. We have an obligation to help these people, right? I mean its our job, right?" Well, I thought, no, its not our job. My job is to my boss. But I understand how he felt. Its the same emotional sucker-punch every girl applies when her back is up against the wall, and he was falling for it. Many men can't resist -- and don't want to; they justify by saying "its our job, right"?

OTOH, many girls either can't find a sucker, or sometimes their sucker (s) all dry up at once, leaving them stranded for several months or more, without any pesos.