Angeles City

[Ikksman]

There are sections of England where the accent is so heavy I don't know what they are talking about either. All countries have their own accent, when they speak English. Irish can be pretty tough. Talk about the girls not being able to speak understandable English is just crazy. I don't have that trouble at all.{S N I P} When you take the bus to AC, you can see caribous collapsed in the fields!{S N I P}

Hi S,

Are you sure that there are reindeer in PI? Or do you mean the De Havilland Canada DHC-4 cargo carrier (pictured below in use at an upmarket resort). They often 'crash' in the fields.

The English 'dialects' that I find impossible to understand, come out of N. America and with appalling grammar such as "I gotten off of the bus"! gotten!!! off of!!! WTF? And many African Americans are utterly impossible to understand. So much easier to understand African British or African Australian or even African African (f**king political correctness gone stupid)! ABCs (Australian) refer to Australians of caucasian ethnicity as ' Skippies' in a totally derogatory fashion, yet we are being racist if we admonish them!

Oh, for the days of Sir Arthur Calwell (an Australian Politician) who said in 1949 "Two wongs don't make a white" (referring to a case of mistaken identity of Chinese named Wong).

BTW, I notice that Obama often has a bulletproof screen in front of him when he gives speeches. Who are they afraid that he is going to shoot? Just wondering!

Back to sitting at the bar (in Hua Hin) snacking on NiggerBoy liquorice and thinking about the good ol' days (at least my 24yo Chinese porcelain doll buys me new clothes and cooks delicious Cantonese, Hunan and Sichuan style meals).

Ikks.

[Dg8787]

I guess some are still living the good ole days in their minds. News flash, everything is changing! I rather keep making good ole days everyday than reliving the past.

Now I understand why they sit at the bar all day / night drinking talking about how good the good ole days were. It's a new day, go out and get a new haircut, buy some new clothes, eat at a new place and live a little.

There is nothing wrong with AC.

[Sxxxx]

I can't understand Aussies and English is my native language!

Like the line at BKK's Eden Club (girls who take anal on one side) the AC bars could have 'English' and 'No English' markings so you would select one from each side for your threesome. I got the combination by pure luck.

There are sections of England where the accent is so heavy I don't know what they are talking about either. All countries have their own accent, when they speak English. Irish can be pretty tough. Talk about the girls not being able to speak understandable English is just crazy. I don't have that trouble at all.

And yes, Angeles is not as straight forward as before. Mainly cause we are not as young as before, LOL. This is where one must use their imagination and innovate. Very top girls refusing to go, is not new, been that way since day one. Some of them are not solely dependent on bar income nowadays, they are milking the Internet too. There are more sick caribous than ever, in the Philippines, nowadays. When you take the bus to AC, you can see caribous collapsed in the fields, LOL.

Talk of P. Burgos St (Makati) girls being enthusiastic, might have something to do with the fact they get two to three times more than AC girls. Money motivates.

I am glad that I am not experiencing all the negative stuff reported on this Forum. Its not as good as it used to be, but its still good.

[Oosik]

Aussies are especially hard to understand because they "talk fast" and "have slang"

There is usually someone close by who can translate for you.

I can't understand Aussies and English is my native language!

Like the line at BKK's Eden Club (girls who take anal on one side) the AC bars could have 'English' and 'No English' markings so you would select one from each side for your threesome. I got the combination by pure luck.

[Amjeck]

One good rule of thumb is if you do get turned down, finish your drink, and move on to the next bar and start a fresh game.

Absolutely, a good monger never gives up! AC does have more obstacles then any other sex scene I've ever encountered, however.

[Pantot]

Say it aint so

Yes it aint so. You are right.

The younger prettier fresher newer girls have always treated it like a dating service. Its not always about how young or attractive you are or well groomed. Once you've passed any young bargirls relatively low threshold for that, most of all they want to be treated respectfully. Guys have always gotten turned down, I doubt the rate has changed much, at least in this century, I can't speak to the last one. For alot of the newer or more attractive ones its actually a guy they may be willing to marry, who they will go with, it may sound absurd but its true. There again its a relatively low bar for the man appearance or age-wise. The younger fit rowdy monger may scare many of the young girls off. In their own culture back in the province they were the pick of the litter in their barangay and would never put up with any 'boy' who did not treat them respectfully.

Thats why its a middle aged man's paradise. I can still 'score' with a young girl who may have just have turned down a man young enough to be my son because she didn't like his attitude, because he came on too strong and rough and frightened her.

The only dynamic that may be more prevalent in recent years is some girls that 'only go' with korean / jap guys, that doesn't mean they are untouchable but your game would have to be pretty good.

The more seasoned bargirls have a whole different dynamic I am not talking about them but they all turn guys down and always have.

One good rule of thumb is if you do get turned down, finish your drink, and move on to the next bar and start a fresh game. Also the girls pretty much have decided in the first 10 minutes whether they will go with you so one drink is usually all you should invest in her IMO.

[Amjeck]

Wait a minute guys. Are you all saying that the better looking AC bar girls are no longer barfining and providing sexual services?

Not entirely, but I've found that the ratio has significantly increased. It could just be a temporary "glitche", but I noticed a very different feel to the place since my previous visit 6 months prior.

I can only speak for Fields Ave bars as I only go for the hottest sexiest girls out there. Perimeter bars don't stock the quality I'm interested in, so I don't know what's going on there.

[Member #4698]

Wait a minute guys. Are you all saying that the better looking AC bar girls are no longer barfining and providing sexual services? I can't believe this is true. When I was last there in 2014, I detected a negative attitude from some of the girls I met in a couple of bars which indicated to me that they didn't like what they were doing and didn't really want to shag. I wrote it off as a particular AC bar culture problem isolated to a few bars due to lack of good management of the girls and to the application of the EWR as an all inclusive up front payment system which tends to rob girls of the incentive to perform. I also attributed the cause of problem to the lingering effect the raids had made on the girl's outlook. But I still managed to find some very good looking fun girls that trip in Grand Pharaoh (or whatever they call it now) and Insomnia and I had a pretty good time. So if it is now true that a majority of AC bar girls in a majority of the bars are not shagging customers, then believe me, word will get out, and the number of mongers visiting AC in the future will drop off drastically. Of course this makes no financial sense on the part of the bars. Most will not survive on drinks alone so I think the better run bars will maintain a good attitude among their girls and profit by the mismanagement of their neighboring no shag bars.

In any case, what I am reading in this thread seems really odd because in addition to what I wrote above, the situation in Makati is 180 degrees completely opposite. I assure everyone reading this that Makati bar girls are dying for customers and they all want to be barfined, their attitudes could not be better, and truth, I have never met an Burgos Street bar girl that didn't want me to barfine her and did not want to show me a great time. In addition I think the average looks of Makati bar girls is higher than the average looks of AC bar girls. The payment plan is very different too and more expensive in Makati. but so is the bar culture, especially in bars like Bottoms, Plan "be", and Rogues. In these 3 bars, for example, the girls are very forthcoming and they are very sexually interactive with their customers while still in the bar. In the not to distant past I knew a number of AC bars that were like that too. That's why I blame poor bar management and the EWR as the fundamental problem in AC. I do not buy the explanation that AC bar girls are happy making money solely on drink commissions. Fiddly sticks. A good looking bar girl can make a hell of a lot more money with drink commissions AND providing sexual services. The former does not preclude the latter and smart girls are all about maximizing their income. So there must be another explanation. But again, if all this is true, than RIP AC. Fewer and fewer punters are going to spend time and money here.

[Mr Enternational]

What I and many are saying has nothing to do with personal higeine, style of clothes, weight etc etc.

What we are saying is that the better looking bar girls of angeles city have worked out that they do not need to barfine with anybody to earn very decent money from salary, high commissin on lady drinks.

It comes down to easy money, why would a bargirl want to fuck a stranger every night to earn peso when she can stay in the bar and earn the same amount if not more without having to fuck with anyone.

It could have to do with all of the factors. Shit you are 10-15 or 20-25 years older plus they are able to get money other ways besides flat-backing. Don't be pissed because they were able to better their circumstances and no longer have to settle for fucking any guy who asks in order to make a living. Either adjust your standards accordingly and take what is available to you or go home with your dick in your hand and fuck whatever is available to you for free there. I don't go to AC to find a certain type of girl. I go there to have a good time and choose from what is available. Getting upset over what is not available will get you nowhere. I have no complaints. The place is still a good mongering destination for me and my standards.

[Mr Enternational]

Excellent analysis, takes pretty much everything into consideration. Currency markets, IMHO, is one of the biggest factors. Anyone see the near absence of Russians in Pattaya lately? Same reason.

But the value of the Russian Rouble is largely dependant on the price of oil. When the oil price fell, the Rouble lost half its value and now the Russians are forced to stay home and are finally selling their condos in Pattaya at reduced rates as I predicted would be the case. Same was the case for the Brazilian Real.

Imagine in a couple of months if you were getting 24 php to the USD instead of the 47 that it is today (or half of what you are now getting for your home currency). You could be right though. Maybe the slight to moderate fall of the AUD and CAD could account for some Aussie and Canadian brothers staying away from AC.

[NapaSlapper]

I would still suggest you take a shower and brush your teeth before you hit the town. You may find the hots to be more receptive to you. The reason I say this is because this town attracts the blue collar value monger who doesn't think personal hygiene is really necessary since they are pulling out the little blue notes.

What I and many are saying has nothing to do with personal higeine, style of clothes, weight etc etc.

What we are saying is that the better looking bar girls of angeles city have worked out that they do not need to barfine with anybody to earn very decent money from salary, high commissin on lady drinks.

I am mid 40's,dress well. Shower 2 x per day and definately brush my teeth, i have no difficulty fucking bargirls in other mongering destinations,

on a very recent angeles city visit i took a friend along who is 28, who until recently was dating a super hot teenage girl in the uk,guess what,he also was shot down on numerous occasions,

It comes down to easy money, why would a bargirl want to fuck a stranger every night to earn peso when she can stay in the bar and earn the same amount if not more without having to fuck with anyone.

[Blanquiceleste]

There are other factors that may be causing low monger numbers in AC at this time... SNIP.....So, AC bars may not be seeing any crowds for a while.

Excellent analysis, takes pretty much everything into consideration. Currency markets, IMHO, is one of the biggest factors. Anyone see the near absence of Russians in Pattaya lately? Same reason.

Sorry for the diversion on this thread, but I thought its relevant.

[Hutsori]

10-15 years ago AC wasn't yet an international sex destination. The mass hadn't shown up yet. Lots of guys then considered Philippines to be "dangerous" and avoided it. Back then, AC was really a gigantic whoer house and all the punters visiting knew how to play the game! The only way girls were able to make money was to spread their legs or get on their knees.

I first visited AC in '92 after the Yanks pulled out and AC was very quiet - some Aussies and retired American military. Certainly before the US departed Clarke AC's Balibago district was a camp town relying almost exclusively on American military personnel, so AC was 'international' in that the customers were mostly non Filipino but mono-national in that they were almost all Yanks. The Internet and the influx of Korean punters revived the town's fortunes. I don't recall passing through AC again until '97 and the place was hopping.

[Red Kilt]

10-15 years ago AC wasn't yet an international sex destination. The mass hadn't shown up yet. Lots of guys then considered Philippines to be "dangerous" and avoided it. Back then, AC was really a gigantic whoer house and all the punters visiting knew how to play the game! The only way girls were able to make money was to spread their legs or get on their knees.

I think your 10-15 years time frame is a bit short Amjeck, but I don't want to start any sort of pissing contest because maybe you are using some different indicators to me.

I have been here for almost 19 years and it was a well-known destination for many of my Aussie mates before I came, because they all mentioned it once they knew I was headed for the Philippines.

Add in the years during the 70s when the US Military machine used the area around Olongapo and Clark as a Rest & Rec place and it is clear it was quite well-known before that.

So I guess we should say at least "20- 25 years"?

[Amjeck]

This is my opinion, not trying to start a war. I'm sure it's going to anger some people.

It used to be awhile back before phones and internet were wide spread that you could basically go into these clubs and take out pretty much anyone you wanted by just making the offer. It didn't matter how you looked, smelled or how old you were. I think those times have changed. There are a lot of people who don't think none of this matters. At the current time, I think it does come into play significantly more so than say 10 years ago.

10-15 years ago AC wasn't yet an international sex destination. The mass hadn't shown up yet. Lots of guys then considered Philippines to be "dangerous" and avoided it. Back then, AC was really a gigantic whoer house and all the punters visiting knew how to play the game! The only way girls were able to make money was to spread their legs or get on their knees.