Angeles City

[Socker]

Thank you me for the latest AC info. The bars are on the empty side but that was Monday night, maybe gets busier as the week continues, I'll see.

During my first day in AC (after a no sleep travel night) I managed to stop in Shipwrecked, 1 out of 10 dancers was acceptable and she purposely avoided eye contact. Monsoon, again, not much, and the Voodoo, again not much. I did buy a drink for a little cutie but it's so dark in there I decided it best to head back to the room for a nap.

In general the only good thing about AC on this day was a Kokomo cheese burger, I was really shocked at how much better it was from last Feb. Fields Ave looks worse and worse every trip which is too bad. Looks better at night of course but not like it did on my first trip 6 years ago.

So after my nap I went out to change money and as I was walking back a group of door girls pulled me into Insomnia. This bar is not on my usual rotation but okay, I'll buy a brew, always good to get out of the heat. So now I spot a nice looking spinner, she really had a nice body and cute face. She starts playing w / the girl next to her and they start doing a faux lesbo show. I have her sit and we talk, she's a nasty little lady and ask that I take her friend too, so I took these 2 from Insomnia.

After all is said and done I was happy w / the 2 dancers but disappointed w / the 3000 p price tag, 3000 p for cute dancers from a scroungy place like Insomnia was bad news. I shouldn't have paid that price but I'm fresh off the plane and do better tomorrow.

My take on the massage ladies on Walking Street. The ones I saw w / my 2 barfines walking to the Atlantis were mostly from storefront businesses. Some looked awfully young, a few LBs mixed in. This massage lady phenomenon in AC comes from Burgos St IMO. Burgos St is a zoo w / all the massage ladies and most are independent. They swarm the street after 8 or 9 pm offering massages and more so they are just another form of FLs. Now this same activity seems to be getting popular on Fields Ave. I saw some lookers in the massage lady mix but they are a crapshoot at best IMO, not to mention ua.

I'm at the PB right now and the sun might come out, no it's out. Now what? Swim.

It's a buyer's market here in AC.

[Pantot]

In my opinion the Freelance scene in the area from say Ponytails down through fields all the way to almost macarthur and then behind Raymond street and Orchid Inn over to Santos street down to Wild Orchid has changed over the past 2 to 3 years. If those giving advice about the type about the type of girls or not girls, mostly available is from experiences before that, its mostly out of date.

The amount of freelancers and massage girls associated with brick and mortar parlors and those who are massage freelance in small groups with a business card and the cellfone of some pimp listed have grown dramatically. The crossdressing boys have always been there but now they are vastly outnumbered by the real girls. If you can't tell the difference when they are standing in front of you then I can't help you, for me its pretty simple. Excessive musculature, large hands and feet, bad makeup, exagerrated slutty feminity, a strange strained voice you would have to be hammered to not know.

The reason they are freelance as opposed to working in a bar are many. Being a mom or even a new mom is not one of them. As a quick glance into 5 random bars wll tell you there are plenty moms in two pieces in bars at in the 30 - 70 % range depending the bar and the amount of jelly belly brand new moms in a bikini they really are not ready for is plenty.

Most claim to have worked in bars before but didn't like it. A bar is a real job with rules and many (most?) filipinos can't handle a a structured work environment. Also they have to get along in long shifts with dozens of girls the mamasans maybe some aggressive bosses so it not for everyone. The cattiness must be off the charts.

Some may have failed a health test. The bars health test isn't a tight net but it provides some layer of protection to temporarily sideline those who fail. I have never caught anything from a AC bargirl (I think) but I have picked up some of the more common infections from freelancers and local pampangan girls friends of friends. Nothing that couldn't be knocked out quickly with a normal course of Azithromycin available OTC at any Phils drug store but still a big drag. If you are a Scro-guard and Trojan modern kind of guy with a wife back home you are ok, but if you qre a sloppy fluid mixing sterile type of guy like me it is an issue. Best to stay away form the local girls all together, always ask their province and if they say Pampangan just move on IMO. Always try to find girls newly arrived in the last 2 or 3 months they are a plenty.

The bargirl also offers you some level of protection that they have someone to answer to and some accountablity rather than a street girl that can vanish into the ether after you meet if a bad scene develops. The street girl may have more social, anger, mental issues that prevent them from working in the bar which may not become manifest till you get to your room.

This past August I picked up the strangest girl I every took in AC and she was from a bar. Even the waitress said she was differnet and since she was new to AC I took a shot becuase I like a challenge. Actually the sex was great and she acted like some sort of submissive slave in bed btu when it came for her time to leave in the morning and she was informed she couldn't stay the next day all day she got very upset and the GFE ended.

I took 2 street girls this past August and 2 last March and had no atttitude problems. 2 were 'massage' and 2 were just random girls who caught my eye who I actually approached first. All were obviously of age. If the street girl looks too young she likely is which is reason #12 I cite here (but obviously Reason #1) she's not working in a bar.

If you fancy yourself a keen judge of character and prefer the more simple innocent girl next door types like me and are a risk taker then try some street / massage AC girls knowing and accepting the risks.

If you like the more seasoned pro hooker type you might be more at risk from a scam from a street girl so be careful. Or you like 'young looking' better to get the ones vetted by the bar to be over 18, not always a perfect guarantee but better that taking the girls word alone standing in the street gazing up at you with dreamy innocent eyes.

[Sammon]

Hello Friends and Seniors.

I have been to AC in June 15. Again I am coming back in October for having much more fun. However I have a few questions as I couldn't find out by my selves. Any seniors would have a better idea. So my questions are.

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?

I hope your suggestions would make my trip much more fun. Thank you.

Rocky.

1. Girls standing are most likely ladyboys. Freelancers do not stand on the street corner like they do in many other countries.

Girls yelling " massage " usually are massage girls working at nearby massage parlor so sent out to get customers.

Freelancers in AC usually are in groups of two or more endlessly pacing up and down. Later at night you can find them in disco.

Most freelancers are usually had been bargirls before. For one reason or another they chose freelancing. Most often reason is they got pregnant and forced out of the bar. I know of some girls who need to make money and end up freelancing. At the same time they cannot be bargirls because they need to take care of the baby.

2. Is it safe? AC is not known for police or police look likes knocking on the door after the girl is inside unless [CodeWord902] scam. Most often it happened to people in Manila. I have taken many freelancers over the years. Some turned out to be real GFE.

Some ex bar girls and others from surrounding areas to make quick money. Be careful approaching girls in discos because some girls are there waiting for their Phi boyfriends or pimps.

3. Not so much in AC but in Manila you find lots of girls sitting and eating at 7-11 stores. I have not chatted with any of them. I have made friends and enjoyed couple of girls at a beauty salon while I was getting mani pedi. Usually they start the conversation. In a big city like Manila 7-11 girls maybe waiting for somebody or whiling away their time for bus etc. Same thing happens in Cebu.

In closing you use your own judgement. Seasoned mongers who by experience know how to go out of the ordinary and get girls.

[ThedStar143]

Thank you friends. A big thanks to west coast, I did RTFF but somehow missed it. Anyways its an eye opener. Better stick to the bars and play it safe.

Rocky.

[Blanquiceleste]

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?

1. Most of these "girls" are working but please check to ensure they are actually girls. Often they are connected to a much bigger organization so make sure you interview the girl at length. You don't want a WG who is rooted in Angeles inside you hotel room. A variety of reasons for this. RTFF for details.

2. Its safe to bring the girl into the hotel. The real fun starts after the girl is inside your room. If you hear knocks on your door after about 20 min of getting to the room you can say your prayers and count your money.

3. These are not off the table entirely, however it can take time effort and resources. When was the last time you met a girl on the street and ended up in bed together after an hour? The upside is these girls can be true GFE providers and sometimes you may not really pay them. But expect to spend on a movie and a dinner, possibly a gift.

[WestCoast1]

Hello Friends and Seniors.

I have been to AC in June 15. Again I am coming back in October for having much more fun. However I have a few questions as I couldn't find out by my selves. Any seniors would have a better idea. So my questions are.

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

Rocky.

Picking up non-bar girls, free-lancers of any kind, has its dangers. Reading back just 3 pages to post #17293 (Salvatore X) will show one of the vulnerabilities (drug scam in the hotel room).

Please RTTF.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1775154

[Threadbare]

Hello Friends and Seniors.

I have been to AC in June 15. Again I am coming back in October for having much more fun. However I have a few questions as I couldn't find out by my selves. Any seniors would have a better idea. So my questions are.

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?

I hope your suggestions would make my trip much more fun. Thank you.

Rocky.

These girls are sort of between freelancers and bar girls. Of course they are on the street so you don't need to venture into a bar and they stand pretty still so you can take a look and decide if you like one, take your time with no pressure. They have a bit of a contact trail as they are connected to a "massage operation" and you should get a contact card. I have negotiated an LT arrangement, so overnight, with a really nice one, and took her straight back to my hotel, without any problem in any respect. Service was great, and LT fee was 3000, so same as ERF in most bars. Looking back, I imagine that could be negotiated, but I didn't. Never did try a "711" girl yet though, but most girls have their price in AC!

[Mr Enternational]

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?

1&2) Guys have reported getting massages from these girls. Sometimes extras and sometimes not. There has never been a problem with them reported on the forum.

3) You can start a conversation with anyone you want. How long have you been on this planet? Do cashiers that work at quick marts in your town also give you hots? I guess it is the way they add everything up huh?

[Jack4765]

Hi,

Is it still 700 php for a BJ in Santos Road places like black pearl etc?

Thanks,

Krumlov

No. Last I paid was 800 p and you have to take them out. No more on site sex.

[ThedStar143]

Hello Friends and Seniors.

I have been to AC in June 15. Again I am coming back in October for having much more fun. However I have a few questions as I couldn't find out by my selves. Any seniors would have a better idea. So my questions are.

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?

I hope your suggestions would make my trip much more fun. Thank you.

Rocky.

[Krum Lov]

Hi,

Is it still 700 php for a BJ in Santos Road places like black pearl etc?

Thanks,

Krumlov

[Socker]

Thought I would ask since I'll be there soon. How's the talent in the big bars these days? Buyers or sellers market?

Thanks.

[GoodEnough]

Sorry but the discussion you entered is Angeles City not Makati. 5 Star hotels in Makati are not relavent to AC.

This sort of lazy posting by habitual posters is why this place is such a jumbled mess.

The key in the slot is Standard Operationg Procedure in virtually all of AC hotels other than the newer overpriced places for guys on expense accounts or with money to burn.

Sorry to offend anyone.

No harm, no foul. I've only ever stayed at the ABC, which uses plastic key cards, so have no clue about other hotels. And by the way, it's not cause I have money to burn but I'm old and like a bit of luxury. 😊.

GE.

[Pantot]

DarkKnight1 wrote about Manila 5 star hotels in relation to hotel front desk staff revealing guest details in this forum. GE was responding to that post and another related post by FastPiston.

So GE's post was appropriate and accurate, and he cannot be accused of "lazy posting".

Ok Ikksman we can chalk you up as a staunch defender of the disjointed nature of the Phils forum.

I'm simply pointing out to those of you have have not been to both places, that AC and Makati are very distinct and different places.

But thanks for making my point that the rampant off topic jaunts so common here while sometimes started by the newer posters who may be confused, are always excaberated by the habitual posters who then pile on and make RTFF virtually impossible for the prospective mongers who come here for real info about specific places.

Recently the AC forum was polluted by an extended discussion of the pros and cons of specific models of aircraft which do not even darken the runways of Clark Airport for example. Fine topic I suppose but there is a place for that and its not here. Thanks for your contributions.

[Red Dogger]

5 Star hotels in Makati are not relavent to AC.

All the hotels in Angeles in which I stayed used cards, not keys.

All the hotels controlled girls showing up and girls leaving. They called me when girls left, and called me when girls arrived.