Subscription Membership Option

[Cdsgames]

Jackson I know a web site that will pay 1500$ + a month to have its banners advertised.

Interested ? (PM me)

[On The Road]

Jackson, we do agree. There it no connection between "John Smith" (real life name) and "Member 1234" (member username).

But all the people concerned about privacy are afraid to connect "John Smith" and WSG Charities, because WSG Charities is easly connected to ISG.
This connection is possible with our personal billing account, even if you aren't able to know our real name.
So, John Smith should be connected to the forum, even if shouldn't be connected to Member 1234.

This is why most of us are looking for an alternate and anonymous way to subscribe or to donate.

Just my 0.02 €.

[Bimbo Boy]

Hey Jackson,

With all the immense respect that you duly deserve, I disagree.

Let's imagine that I am stuck in a nasty divorce legal battle. A lawyer can always hire a private detective who (sometimes illegally) can trace you from your credit card purchases to your paypal accounts and then then to WSG charities (which is obviously linked to this forum). Once the trace is found, a judge can be convinced to sign a court order to get the evidence. And justice systems do cooperate across borders.

I know detectives who do this kind of things all the time:they bribe or make favors to police friends (often they are former policemen or secret service professionnals themselves).

Let me propose a solution. Jackson, with all your knowledge of mongering AND of very successfully creating and nurturing an online community, you could write and self-publish a book. Put it for sale on Amazon (at a high price). We could pay you by buying many of your books. And, in order to save the trees, make it an electronic book. Nobody would care about my credit card payments to Amazon!

Bimbo Boy.

Hi Bimbo Boy,

With all due respect, I think you guys are just way too paranoid.

First, I disagree with your statement that the WSG Charities is "linked" to the Forum. Exactly how is it "linked"? There are no links and no reference on the WSG Charities website to the forum, and only you on the inside know that "WSG" is an acronym for ..... Outsiders perusing your credit card statment do not know what "WSG" might mean, and even if they did, my forum has the initials "ISG".

Second, do you have any idea how expensive an international investigation is? Believe me, you don't do it casually.

Third, so what if someone actually suspects a connection. The WSG Charities actually does charity work. It's not a sham endeavor, so how would any one proove that your contribution to the WSG Charities wasn't actually a charitiable contribution?

Thanks,

Jackson

[Global Citizen]

I have a few bucks in my Paypal account which I am not planning to do anything with - rather than purchasing a subscription (as short by a couple of dollars), I wouldn't mind just donating it for the great work you do on this board.

Please let me know how I can do this.

GC.

[Starfe]

it's amazing that you went this long.


Starfe

[Bimbo Boy]

Hey,

I love this forum that gave me so much. I would like to contribute, but I will never use a payment system where I could be traced.

It is not a matter of price: I am willing to pay much more than $20, as I think the real value of the forum to me is in the hundreds of dollars. It's a matter of personal security.

I vote for the idea of sending dollar bills by mail! Or I could stop by the Mansion in Buenos Aires and give personnally the money for the WSG charity.

Regards

BBB

Hi Bimbo Boy,

I guess I'm going to have to repeat this 1,000 times:

1. There is NO connection between your Forum username AND your PayPal payment. The only thing that anyone could prove from your PalPal payment is that you as an individual made a contribution to the WSG Charities.

2. I never see any of the credit card information you give to PayPal. The only way I know who payed is because the Forum software changes your membership status when it receives a coded approval transmission from PayPal.

3. The Forum's servers are located in Montreal, Canada, outside the jurisdiction of the USA legal system, where commercial sex is legal, and where I have first hand knowledge of the fact that the server host is only too pleased to tell outsiders looking for information to go pound sand.

Thanks,

Jackson

[GettingTang]

Let me put it into perspective for you. The $20 fee for this site will be recuperated hundreds of fold in the flowing areas, but not limited to these areas:

Finding a good mongering hotel at fair prices.

Saving hours of research and time on foot when arriving in mongering destinations. (you will know who, how and where to go)

Proper going prices to be expected to pay for mongering services in specific areas.

Saves countless wasted time, by knowing specifically where to go.

Tips from where and what to eat, to how to deal with legal issues.

This is just a few very informative areas of information you can find in minutes from people in the "field" from this site. Saving you $hundreds if not $$ thousands of dollars and enhancing your mongering experience (most important). All for $20 a year? This is the bargain of the century!

For example. My first trip to Thailand was back in 1996, way before this site came about, I spent, on my first two week trip about $2400 on mongering related activities during that first trip. I had a fair time, but mostly hit the touristy touted areas as I knew no better. I way over spent. Then along came this site. On my past 6 trips to Thailand, most about two weeks in length, I typically spend $800-$1200, or 1/3 to 1/2 of what my original mongering expenses cost in Thailand back in 1996. And better yet, my experiences have been unbelievablly better. The price has been half, or less, the cost and the experiences have been triple the quality. ALL OF WHICH IS DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH INFORMATION OBTAINED ON THIS SITE! So you see, $20 is nothing. You'll gain it back in seconds on your first mongering trip, or experience. Trust me!

The only thing I ask for is a way to pay via mail. I'll gladly pay double the price to cover costs associated with handling a paper transaction.

[Sorcerer]

Jackson,

As a senior member with complimentary access I would be happy to make a donation. However as pointed out by others, people are admitting to activities that are illegal in many areas and there really cannot be a trace back to them. Especially a financial trace. Court orders have funny way of opening up private files. I prefer a money order and a separate slip of paper in the envelope with a user-ID that you log and then throw away. This leaves no physcial traces - not even a userID written on a money order.

BTW - if you give me a mailing address via PM I WIL send a donation. Since I am a senior member I do not need you to take any action.

Best regards,
Sorcerer

[Sidhartha]

Internet users are known as a notoriously miserly bunch, when it comes to access to sources of information. That this forum's subscription bid has been so warmly received goes to show how highly it is regarded by its members.
I agree with many senior members - even though we do not have to subscribe, we will do so, occasionally if not regularly, to express our support.
However, I really wish a more anonymous method is also offered to the more timid souls. How about mailing a money order with our handle scrawled across it?

[Num Nutz]

When is the subscription deadline date?

Hi Num Nutz,

There's no deadline. It's a permanent offer.

Thanks,

Jackson

[JuiceSpike]

Jackson,

When making payment via PayPal how do you know who is paying? Where in the subscription form is there a place to put my handle name (juiceSpike) so you know who has paid and remain anonymous?

Maybe someone else in here has the answer... Thanks.

juice

Hi JuiceSpike,

I guess I'm going to have to repeat this 1,000 times:

1. There is NO connection between your Forum username AND your PayPal payment. The only thing that anyone could prove from your PalPal payment is that you as an individual made a contribution to the WSG Charities.

2. I never see any of the credit card information you give to PayPal. The only way I know who payed is because the Forum software changes your membership status when it receives a coded approval transmission from PayPal.

3. The Forum's servers are located in Montreal, Canada, outside the jurisdiction of the USA legal system, where commercial sex is legal, and where I have first hand knowledge of the fact that the server host is only too pleased to tell outsiders looking for information to go pound sand.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Kapum]

I am apprehensive about disclosing information of my credit card. In any case, being from India why not have some alternate means of payment towards the subscription; may be in different currency and by means of credit to a particular account, which you may open in the name of ISG Charity etc.

[Aussiebloke453]

Hi Jackson,

Like so many other current members here I share the concern that WSG Charities whilst a good idea to help mask who the monies have gone will be very uncomfortable for most to have it appear on a statement.

I have just done a google search of WSG Charities and got 943 hits. Even the wife knows about search engines!

We all recognise the work that you have put in over the years and want to contribute and or donate without question.

What would be the only way for a good number of us to make a donation would be to send a $20US note in the post along with our current login details and have the membership activated. Appreciate it if you would give some serios thought to above as I am sure there would be a very good number of other wanting to do the same.

Cheers,

Fleetz

Hi Fleetz,

It doesnt matter if the WSG Charities is easy to find or how many hits it gets. That's the point. The WSG Charity is a legitmate charity that is doing legitimate charitable work in Argentina. Nobody who goes to the WSG Charity webiste knows what "WSG" means, and it doesnt have any links to the ISG Forum.

Like I said in the Subscription FAQ, if anybody ever asks what the charge is, you simply explain that a friend runs a charity and you decided to make a small donation.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Guillermo]

Jackson,

Those of us who remember the dark days of last winter, when the WSG/ISG server seemed to be down for weeks at a time, know how valuable your website(s) and services are to us mongers.

I think $20 a year is a fair price to pay to keep us safe from sex-travel-news withdrawal, and keep ads off the site. I will be happy to pay it, just to support your prodigious efforts.

I am curious, does the $20 membership cover our ID in all of your various sites? ISG/USG/and ArgentinaPrivate?

Mil gracias Jefe,

Guillermo

Hi Guillermo,

At the current time, the ISG is the only one of the three forums that has a Subscription Membership option.

However, please remember that the three forums are completely seperate, on seperate servers with seperate domains.

If I ever decide to offer a membership option on the other forums, it will have no connection to any subscription you may have for the ISG forum.

Think of it like this: If you want to receive both Time magazine and Newsweek, you would expect to buy two seperate subscriptions.

Thanks,

Jackson

[JuiceSpike]

I think $20 for a year is very cheap especially for new people learning the hobby and/or for other people travelling to new places to get info.

I also think that the success of this site is based on the content created by posters. Not all content is good and unfortunately most of the same themes and questions come up over and over. Perhaps a better search engine would be the answer but it would require massive amount of editing and data entry to make it really useful.

Anyway, thanks for this great site.

juice