Is Macunaima a Serial Antagonist?

[El Austriaco]

Guys,

You know, I think what has been happening lately in the Rio 2005 Report section has happened all over the different forums over the years. I call them the classical prostitution/mongerer discussions about different aspects of the hobby that are ALWAYS guaranteed to bring on very heated, protracted debates. The most prominent ones that come to mind right now, in no particular order:

1. Does overpaying ruin it for the next guy?
2. Man, these women are so different from Western women. They aren't doing it for the money, they really enjoy it.
3. I was her first client.
4. Gosh, I am in love with this girl! Can it be real?
5. But she's only a poor girl that's hooking to get a college education.
6. Can real love bloom out of a commercial relationship?
7. Real sex isn't really free vs. why pay for the cow when you can get the milk for free.
8. I wanna take this girl out of the business, marry her and take her to (insert any Western country).
9. I think I made her cum ten times in one night! Did she fake it?
10. You get what you pay for - true or false?
11. My mongering helps people who otherwise wouldn't have any job at all.
12. Perceptions and realities of the P4P environment.
13. Regular girl vs. non-pro vs. semi-pro vs. hardcore hooker. What is she?
14. Does she really like me? Or does she just like my money?
15. Am I exploiting her? Should I feel bad about mongering?

I think that anytime anyone comments on any of these or similar issues or responds to them, a big discussion is almost guaranteed to ensue. I think this is mainly due to the fact that these issues are so common and logical that almost all of us have pondered them at one point in time, regardless of our different mongering styles, socioeconomic backgrounds, sexual and women-related preferences, and regional considerations, and because they are issues on which most of us have pretty entrenched opinions. I think if engaging in discussions about these and similar issues makes one a serial antagonist, Macunaima isn't the only one to be blamed. Let's see, is there actually anyone out there who can honestly say he has never engaged in any discussion about the above? I can't.

Considering how popular these topics have been, I can't really say that they are off-topic for me. They clearly relate to mongering and address common mongering experiences. Of course, the relative relevance and usefulness of each individual comment or rebuttal for any of us varies. But I don't think that they are not useful as a whole and per se.

EA

[Le Dragueur]

I'm kinda new here, but I've been lurking a while, and I've read most of Mac's posts. My vote lies in the first three options. I think he should stay and keep posting. He obviously know a lot about Rio, but it's his very perceptive views about the mentality and motives of garotas that serves as a major reality check for most gringos like me.

My only suggestion to Mac is that he try to be more aware that his "non-mongering" status is fine as long as he keeps that fact very low-key. It's precisely because he smashes a lot of illusions (and delusions) about garotas that he should stay and not be banned.

[Bandy]

Jackson,

This guy should be permanently quarantined. Reasons are too numerous to list. I never thought he contributed anything substantial, except to state the obvious most of the time. He always likes to crawl under everybody's skin, (characteristic of a "Stealth Serial Antagonists") enticing arguments.

He is too intelligent (as well as not with a caustic mouth) to be permanently banned. So give him his own thread and let him blabber there to his hearts content. Let the main sections be clutter free of all his endless nonsense.

Bandy

[Macunaima]

Oh, c'mon, RF. Have I EVER said shit like "your attitude seems to be a cry for help"? For christsakes...

[Bubba Boy]

Before voting please read the policy on serial antagonists

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/an...ntagonists.php

The following is what I believe sums our friend:- A direct quote -:
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"Stealth Serial Antagonists are more difficult to identify. A Stealth Serial Antagonist will mask his personal attacks and/or SPAM messages by mixing them in with what appears to be genuine conversation along with tidbits of information. In many cases, he will appear to be a reasonable, although somewhat slightly abrasive, poster who it would appear from reading only one or a few of his reports is merely commenting on other reports or simply responding to attacks made against him.

This is the art of the stealth Serial Antagonist: Individually, his reports would not appear to be deliberately antagonistic, yet he consistently seems to find himself in the midst of arguments with other forum members, at times even playing the role of the victim.

I'm tired of these guys: They disrupt The Forum, they discourage other members from posting, they waste my time, and they rarely provide any useful information. For everybody's benefit, Serial Antagonists must be controlled or banned from the Forum as quickly as possible.

Here's the problem: They're difficult to identify.

Stealth Serial Antagonists can only be identified by their pattern of reporting across many reports, not by their specific individual reports. Identifying them requires that someone must investigate the history of their contributions to the Forum and render a subjective opinion.

Personally, I just don't have the time to read all the Serial Antagonist's reports, and read all the related reports from other Members, and then try to identify who actually started the problems from those members who are just responding to the original attacks, all so I can render some sort of Solomon-like decision that usually leads to somebody getting quarantined or banned, which leads to more emails criticizing my decision and enumerating the perceived flaws in my assessment of the situation. "
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It is pretty clear that everytime he posts it their is major disruption to the board.

[Royalflush]

although i did not go back through all of macunaima's posts, he still contributes useful information on the subject of women in brasil. this, for me, meets the minimum requirement for posting, and i would like to see his posts continue. at the same time, i don't have any patience for judgemental or inflammatory posts, having been the recipient of several in the past. maybe you should use this poll as a warning that if he persists in passing judgement on the behavior (or wishes, dreams, hopes) of other posters here, then he should be limited to nibu's thread. you might be able to sell tickets to the conversations they have.

nibu: "hey macu, any new info on xxx video arcades, porn shops, peep shows, or horny midgets in rio?"

maco: "your question sounds like a cry for help. you appear to be using sex to quench an aching desire for personal fulfillment. the problem is that i'm not the right sort of doctor to offer you help. moreover, i don't give a damn."

nibu: "so, macu, what about bondage supplies, extreme body piercing, masochistic orgies, and rep001?"

[James Howard]

Maybe all this interviewing with beautiful working girls and not having enough cash for a session is giving the poor fellow blue balls. Although these girls are up for almost anything, I doubt his wife will let him do anal sex nor CIM/COF. That idea isn't meant to be insulting, it is purely academic. Is it wrong that he should vent his frustrations through this board? Yes. But, being restricted to his own particular thread is punishment enough.

[Macunaima]

I'd be happy to avoid posting discussion stuff on the Reports 2005 board. Note that this doesn't mean I'll never say anything there, but I can see why discussions between myself and certain other posters might annoy other folks when posted on a thread that's specifically about reports.

As for being a "serial antagonist", I have been as cordial as anyone could be while certain of the people complaining here have tossed every insult in the book at me for the capital sin of disagreeing with their expert opinion about Rio. Exec Talent, in particular, has been very personal with his insults, while complaining all the while that I'm not respecting his point of view. As far as I can see, "respect" to guys like him means "don't contradict a fucking word I say or you'll be sorry".

So it's hard for me to believe that certain people's supposedly delicate sensibilities are being so battered by my attitude.

Again, I can understand why folks don't want arguments on the 2005 thread but there I will point out that it takes two to tango. Shit, Euro comes on with a big post regarding how he's falling in love with a termas pro. I post in response, saying one thing and one thing only: be careful because the women who work the termas know how to manipulate the illusion of love very well. Now, if my post is spam, what of Euro's, which also isn't a "report" but a discussion - and a very interesting one, to my mind - about the possibility of love blooming from a commercial relationship? And what about the same five or six guys who then whine on and on, ad nauseaum, about the fact that my opinion isn't what they want to hear, whatever I post? (To wit, Loverboy's recent comments or Jame's bitching that I was "misinforming" people about the Rio Film Festival?)

I can hardly be accused of spamming the board on my lonesome when this is the kind of stuff that's going on.

[Prosal]

As long as Macunaima will challenge every post and every part of every post with condescending attitudes, and talk down to people as though their opinion means shit and his own is the one and only true way, obviously to boost his own ego's, it will affect this board to a large degree.

We all learn from each other, but some teachers are embittered, know-it-all assholes, arrogant, pontificating and boring fucks. Like Macu.

In fact he deeply dislikes mongers and is a plague for the forum.

IMO to give him his own thread, unless Jackson doesn't mind if the ISG's precious space is used by Macu as a free tool to promote his own notoriety with some daily diatribes ("Macu's editorial"), is a VERY bad idea. I personnaly like better the Rio's Bob and Carlos pervert yet good idea to restrict him to Nibs room. Or to ban him.

[Carlos Primeros]

An afterthought - I just took the book from Mario de Adrade "O heroi sem nenhum Carater" off the book-shelf and was reading a little bit - it describes the life of Macunaima - the hero without any caracter. I do not know if this applies to our Mac.

Carlos

[Carlos Primeros]

I voted for restricting him but I would really suggest that he should be on Nibu´s board - as Rio Bob suggested because to silence Mac totally is also unfair - as others pointed out, he knows what he is talking about when it comes to history, social life etc. He is NOT a monger and should not post here under SHARED EXPERIENCE, he is not contributing to this purpose of the board. He is contirbuting in other ways.

These are my 2 Centavos

Carlos

[Lover Boy #2]

Dr Philogyne.......I know what "MACUNAÍMA" means and what it is in Brasil literature and film....but so what? He is the image of every Brasilian.....black, white and indian......but so what? Look at the works of Mário de Andrade if you are interested. Maybe he should have chosen the name "argumentative, serial antagonist".....it would have fit a lot better.

[Rio Bob]

At this point the majority of posters think he should be restricted to his own thread which is a nice way of saying he should be banned.

In other words you will let him in the house but he has to stay in his room alone and anybody can enter his room if they want to but who would want to?

Lets face it majority of his posts were responses to others and since no one will be posting the type of posts he has responed to in his room then he will have nothing to say therefore he is silent, the same thing as being banned.

Maybe you can restrict him to Nibs room so that Nibs has somebody to talk to about his upcoming trip, maybe Mac can educate him on the motivations and habits of the Brasilian GDP.

[Doc Bill]

In order not to be overly influenced by his abrasive style, which many of us have, I actually followed Jackson's link to the "Serial Antagonist" section and read the criteria. I find that Mac definitely meets the criteria for "Stealth Antagonist:" First he engages in "repeated attacks" against others. Sometimes they are subtle, but they are attacks nonetheless.

Second, he is "continuously embroiled in caustic exchanges with other members." Who in their right mind could argue that? To quote Jackson's criteria: "The Forum does not permit antagonistic behavior toward other Forum members at any time and for any reason. Motivation or alleged justification is irrelevant."

In addition, I think that he is not a mongerer IS relevant. He posts on "trip reports" sections, but has no reports, just pontificating opinions, some of them good, but better suited to another venue. This Forum is about SHARED experiences, not pedantic lectures from the un-experienced. Again, to quote: "The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the EXCHANGE of information between men on the subject of FINDING WOMEN FOR SEX [emphasis added]." Does anybody honestly think that his theories and poetry (Poetry, give me a f***** break!) meet the criteria or even the spirit of this Forum?

I think not, and thus my vote is to rid this Forum of him so that we can get back to sharing our mutual experiences and helping each other out.

[Bubba Boy]

This particular poster is not a monger, he quite clearly states he has never mongered and never intends to. He posts only to make comments on other mongers reports. Generally his posts annoy a number of people and the board basically gets way off topic responding to his criticisms. Generally, but not always, no real info gets posted in the report section for several days after one of his bouts and everything calms down. Hence, he causes major disruptions to the report section, which in my opinion he has no business posting in because he doesn't monger and hence does not have a report to write. If he must post, he should at least do it in an appropriate section. I believe his own section could be a solution. It would stop the disruption he causes to the main report section and give the people that still want to read is postings the opportunity to do so. A win win for everybody.