General Reports

[Retired Army]

Now if the Thai would only learn to B-B-Q TEXAS style...)

There is a good BBQ joint on Suk 36 and a pretty good one up in Chiang Mai.

[Giotto]

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But then again, some white boys come here with little and actually make money while being here.
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Jungle Bluebird,

I always thought it is the other way around ...


Giotto

[Jungle Bluebird]

Lover Boy. Let me correct you here. The internet is not anonymous as you might think. IP addresses can be traced, leased lines or dial up, by geo location or fixed DNS. Not by members but the site owner. Some people are just cautious. Plus the local (Bangkok) expat community is quite small. Easy to locate individuals by the references made in their posts.

I think what feels not right is the very fact that all of us want to believe that there is some magical protection against AIDS. Russian Rolette it is. Just think back how many times that condom broke... You can research and turn the facts anyway you want, truth is, AIDS kills.

What is odd though how Yett Muat times the infection. Incubation periods vary and detection would not allow for an accurate timeline. However if he only screwed with those 2 girls over a 6 month period it would be easy to trace back.

The slum thing is another wicked one. But then again, some white boys come here with little and actually make money while being here.

I found best is to take things for what they are - at first that is.

JB

This is the internet...you are anonymous...what are you talking about? The more I think about it...there is something very wrong here.

[Lover Boy #2]

"For those thinking something is just not right, please understand I have to protect my identity. Screwing with someone's rice bowl here in Asia often results in death by the offended party. The things I reported are true but an Asian will never say so. To do so is asking for him or loved ones to snuffed out. I have had to wrap things in an opaque wrppaer if you will to remain anonymous for safety and livelihood sake".

This is the internet...you are anonymous...what are you talking about? The more I think about it...there is something very wrong here.

[Lover Boy #2]

Yett Muat
Those looking for "proof" clearly don't understand. If you know when you got it it's a simple case of looking at the log. In my case I was outsdide Thailand for an extended period so know precisely (within 2 girls) who gave it to me. Neither is now working at their respective places but their pictures are on the web. And no I cannot share with the identities as the stigma here is still huge.


You see...this is another problem. This disease takes time to develop the markers that are read by the tests and these markers do not develop immediately. Are you saying that you had sex with a Rainbow girl, then an Annie's girl......then didn't have any sex for six months...then tested positive? Even this is no good because what did you do before these two?....were you not having sex for 6 months before these two? The only way this would make any sense is if you had unprotected sex (giver or taker)...and then developed HIV/pos. results within 6 months of that experience. Or did you get DNA tests and have the DNA linked to these two girls?...that doesn't match the original story......also this guy claims many conquests...and abstaining from sex for a year does not make sense based on his own comments.

[Ljohnson]

Yett Muat's reports are well written and informative.

His writing style (confidence bordering on arrogance; references to personal wealth; better than average command of the English language) reminds me of our old "friend" Domino. His reference to being fat and in his fifties doesn't fit, but you never know. Could be cover. Also, he actually sounds rather kind and helpful which is not Domino-like, but even that comes from a position of superiority; and Domino could certainly affect a "kind and helpful style for cover purposes.

Hmmm.... Could it be?

[Lover Boy #2]

jb

there's something about the post that's not quite right. but, i'm not sure what it is.
the whole of the hiv stuff is wild speculation without any hard facts whatsoever.
yes, there is some bullshit going on here. but, i'm not sure what it is.

interesting that you should feel this way, as i feel exactly the same.....and thought about this for a full day before commenting (as his post is not a common "troll" post and is fairly well written in some respects). there is something that doesn't ring true...but what is it? here are some thoughts;

just a brief and single post from an old asia hand regarding trends, ongoings and a warning. (wsg has been around for quite some time and was proceeded by some other form of it…that was taken over by jackson. you are a guy with amazing bad luck…..but this is the first post on the subject….where you tell all mongers that you acquired hiv using a condom due to “micro fissures”. anything is possible, but this whole thing doesn’t sound right based on my own research. as you know, there are women on the sperm receiving end who have sex with hiv positive men and do not contract it. obviously everyone here feels your pain, but it appears <on the face of it>…that something is very wrong here)

i'll not reply nor engage other isg folks as a 30+ year resident vetran of the night scene in asia and especially thailand i've nothing to prove. a few credentials. i've been very lucky (yeah right!!!!!!...i don’t think so!!!!.....you got hiv using a condom) as my vantage point of being a very highly paid european executive and entreuprener has allowed me to experience asia's nightlife without regard to financial concerns (yet you go to annie’s???????). i've married several times into both high and lo so as it's called here on isg and am fluent in several asia languages. i've lived in the pricey penthouses as well as "thai style" in thai neighborhoods. indeed most of my experience comes from living amongst the working girls (you are an “executive and entreuprener <sic> but live among the working girls…what are you thinking??) not from the gilded/shielded elite housing. having kept a diary, i stopped counting "encounters" after several thousand (what does this mean??....you certainly are compulsive keeping a diary of encounters) and sorry i can never share pictures (who asked for any from you?…we have quite a few here).

the good.

thailand and other parts of asia still offer a counter balance to the unchecked feministic power in the west. many men beaten down by the west's preferential treatment of women can still come here and get a new perspective on relationships the old asian way. what so many never understand (or forget) is asia is still all about "face". a facet of which means most of what you see hear and enjoy is for fun, enjoyment, but mostly money.

as an old fart, well into my fifties, fat and bald, i can still walk into any bar and walk out with the best on offer much to the chagrin of the young turks. i continue to have poor and even middle class thai's offer me their daughter for marriage. in their eyes a well respected wealthy foreigner is much prefered to her running off with the local motorcycle taxi casanova. sorry i will not share how.

nana, patpong, soi cowboy and their sprawl continue to evolve and segment as they mature. nana is going japanese and transexual as prices have sky rocketed (drinks 4-5x in the last 6-7 years) and the number of katoeys achieves parity with the "sow's" or girls. patpong is fighting back with lower bar fines, drinks prices but continues to lose market share. soi cowboy, the longtime favorite of the expat community seems to still offer the best value of lots of skin and cheap drinks. the economics of the bars will continue to drive the girls onto the streets and free-lance arenas.

pattaya is always recommended for newbies as but bangkok's shear numbers of girls can't be matched anywhere.

the bad.

the poor here are still poor and in for a bleak future. so cut them some slack. china's cheap labour will continue to close factories around the globe, especially here in south east asia. most of these girls live from hand to mouth and the good ones usually support their kids, spouses and parents. and yes most (80-90%) have thai husbands, many of whom work hard for 2-300 baht per day.

if you are an oldster like me, many of your favorites are no longer around. many are dead from aids. more are sick and not getting treatment. and here's the warning i promised:

many working girls here are hiv positive. indeed in one of the thai apartments, 80% of the residents are working girls and at least half are hiv positive. i know because i've read their "visa denial letters" to them or via the local thai grapevine. (why the fu ck would you live here…..it just doesn’t make sense)

kidding yourself that it doesn't exist is the same delusional thought category that a twenty year old hard body really does love a 50 year old fart. do not be "reassured" by claims that monthly checks via the "establisments" is a defense. it is not. i'm hiv positive, for 8 years now, and know (thanks to the diary) it had to have come from either a nana rainbow dancer or an annies massage girl. i do not say this to diss (european business executive speak?) either, indeed many girls on soi 33, and everwhere else have it too. and yes i still patronize rainbow bars and even annies (although my last visit was such crap for the money i'll probably not return (this really makes no sense all….you are a wealthy guy and give a shiite about a fee at annie’s?????). sorry aey) (damn right “sorry”….you just penetrated her ass as far as her business goes and you say “sorry”…are you joking?). i have always worn a condom and will leave the possible explanantions to the medical folks on isg (this has already been commented on…….the medical folks here mean nothing…..why wouldn’t you provide proper info in your first post…instead of the second…now going with “micro-fissures”…..as stated, we all feel bad for you…but the way you have approached this does not seem “right”.

the ugly.

if you are a jabba-the-hut or buff turk type, take a shower! (?????....this seems trite after getting hiv at annie’s or rainbow…….maybe this comedy is not called for in a serious post where you have contracted a deadly disease)

the number one complaint from the girls is falang smell bad, to which i can only agree.

dress accordingly! (thanks for the info….but next time i enter a den of hiv…i think i will wear a hazmat suit…..i’m not concerned about my brooks brothers suit anymore!)

you do not see thai men running around in short pants and singlets for a reason---that's what coolies wear.

the most abhorrent are the pricks who cheat the girls.

if you are one of them beware you will get yours someday (tahm dee dai dee, tahm cheau, dai cheau). a most recent example was an asian from an english speaking country who picked up one of my favorites from the beer garten promising 1000 baht. this girl is very honest and works hard to please a customer. well, the bananna (thai name for folks that are yellow on the outside and white on the inside) only paid her 600 baht after the deed, saying he was short of funds only to be seen cavorting about the other bars in the sukhumvit area. you may think you were clever and saved yourself 400 baht but you are beneath the dirt on a thai's shoes as they say.

most falang will [CodeWord140] away 400 baht ( $12usd) without thinking twice but to this thai girl, and many like her hard working husband it takes him 3 days to earn that amount! as they say there is a special room in hell waiting for you. and by the way, the girls like to take our pictures too---so they can tell their friends which dickhead (not a common european “wealthy guy” word) cheated them (or which is a great customer)!

whether or not isg will post such a controversy is yet to be seen (what’s the controversy?) personally, i would post the bastard's face at the entrance to the bg. and before any start claiming i'm a "capt-save-a-hoe""(hoe or ho?……i never heard a wealthy european use that word????...i’m confused) that is hardly the case. i pay similar rates to what's typically posted here (1k st) and flatly refuse to pay more for play, even to the rainbow superstars (you go back there after 50% contracting hiv there?). and yes i eventually get them too as a, very longtime customer, a good reputation always pays off, especially now during rainy season when the bars are at the seasonal low.

in closing.

1. treat the girls with respect.

2. do not patronize the ripoff's, learn to turn a blind eye to the touts, even aggressive beggar brigades (half of which own cars and have mobile phones).(yeah…i saw the lepper on the suk. overpass driving a mercedes the other night…was quite funny!)

3. for god's sakes learn to differentiate between a women and a katoey (that is a great tip……you can get hiv by being plunged in the anus by a man…….one to live by)

4. always wear a condom (why…it obviously is a completely false economy), and forget about giving oral (too risky)

5. pay a fair price (yeah…that would be the biggest thought/problem on my mind after acquiring hiv from a micro fissure)

have fun! (how?....now that we know that we are all doomed?)

yes, there is definitely something very wrong here.

note to jackson……i have been here a long time and always follow the rules/tos….however, this post is very wrong…it has many earmarks of a complete troll…or at least a guy with an agenda. he keeps a diary, knows where he contracted hiv (the girls are still on the websites according to him), never notified the establishment, gives the names of the places where this happened, etc., etc. please allow for some latitude, as i feel something is amiss.

[Jungle Bluebird]

Oh well, what do you expect. Pattaya is all about pussy, so yes, it's all about money.

Pattaya and for that matter Patong, Phuket are slums open to the public. I say this as usually slums are no go areas and not tourist attractions.

In fact it would be easy to draw a fence around Patong, Phuket and charge entrance fees. Tall wooden fence, just like Jurassic Park, guarded by huge Katoys dressed up like Neanderthals. Hey, they just don't have to shave their legs anymore and voila.

What amazes me - still - is that Thailand prides itself on cultural aspects while maintaining slums of sleaze. But then again, Pattaya and Patong do in a way represent what Thailand is most known for overseas, cheap pussy.

Ok, anger vented LOL. Rant over, can go back to work now.

JB

In a book at Jasmine Mansion in Pattaya there was a quote from a TG -

"If money talks in the rest of the world, in Thailand it SCREAMS!"

It's all about money in Pattaya ...

"Hello hansum man... welcum...WELCUM!!"

(as she yells in my ear over the din on Soi 8 last nite. Ever watch them carve up a roast pig? Now if the Thai would only learn to B-B-Q TEXAS style...)

[Yett Muat]

Apologies for breaking my promise not to post again nor respond but I feel I was not clear enough on a key point----that might save a life.

Yett Muat is local slang for "fucked them all". I'm not a professional linguist and would appreciate a better understanding, why in this instance the words are reversed as say in "Muatt wella" or time's up. My transliteration is poor so sorry.

Those looking for "proof" clearly don't understand. If you know when you got it it's a simple case of looking at the log. In my case I was outsdide Thailand for an extended period so know precisely (within 2 girls) who gave it to me. Neither is now working at their respective places but their pictures are on the web. And no I cannot share with the identities as the stigma here is still huge.

Further, to say there is nothing new misses 2 points of my message---1. We are all playing Russian roulette and the gun is indeed loaded. The short medical explantion is that one can develop micro fissures on the skin of your dick which allow transmission as well as a girl with cancer sores giving you head. Any cuts abrasions etc in the mouth or dick and you've got a point of entry. Further a lot of the girls like to use babay oil or lotion rather than KY which compromises the intergrity of the condom. I too engaged in denial of risks of the "game". Since I now have children I saddened I won't be around as long as I could have been. 2. For those thinking something is just not right, please understand I have to protect my identity. Screwing with someone's rice bowl here in Asia often results in death by the offended party. The things I reported are true but an Asian will never say so. To do so is asking for him or loved ones to snuffed out. I have had to wrap things in an opaque wrppaer if you will to remain anonymous for safety and livelihood sake.

Classify the entry anyway you like but I hoped the general reports would reach the widest audience. And yes I am very impressed by the experience level found on ISG. Having arrived in Asia before fax machines, this would have saved me a ton of time and money! One last note, I didn't mean to brag about being to walk out with the best. I was trying to convey to the other older guys on ISG they can compete and win out over the younger guys:.) And it is not done with money! Good old fashioned sweet talking still works. Remeber smiles are free.

On a personal side to OTH. Been wher you've been, where you've reached a tipping point and get jaded with things in Asia. The best cure is to spend a few weeks in say Japan or another country to refresh your self and reason for being here. And no I wasn't in a shack in Klong Toei (but a tip of the hat to you for being able to endure).

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[Hermescali]

Now if the Thai would only learn to B-B-Q TEXAS style...)

Hopefully they keep their food just the way it is. Too many western restaurants already in a country of great food.

[Dinghy]

In a book at Jasmine Mansion in Pattaya there was a quote from a TG -

"If money talks in the rest of the world, in Thailand it SCREAMS!"

It's all about money in Pattaya ...

"Hello hansum man... welcum...WELCUM!!"

(as she yells in my ear over the din on Soi 8 last nite. Ever watch them carve up a roast pig? Now if the Thai would only learn to B-B-Q TEXAS style...)

[Retired Army]

Thailand and other parts of Asia still offer a counter balance to the unchecked feministic power in the West. Many men beaten down by the west's preferential treatment of women can still come here and get a new perspective on relationships the old Asian way. What so many never understand (or forget) is Asia is still all about "face". A facet of which means most of what you see hear and enjoy is for fun, enjoyment, but mostly money.

At least this part is true and written like someone who has experienced both sides.

[PosterLion]

Thailand and other parts of Asia still offer a counter balance to the unchecked feministic power in the West. Many men beaten down by the west's preferential treatment of women can still come here and get a new perspective on relationships the old Asian way.

Enjoy this while it lasts. I've noted that todays sitcoms usually become tomorrow's normal-way-of-life if they haven't yet become todays-way-of-life. I've been watching a helluvva lot of Thai sitcoms lately and it looks as if the East is quickly reaching parity with the West regarding all things feministic.

You can find a pretty decent theory about why this is happening by reading a website called socionomics. In a nutshell, socionomics posits that women are most powerful during times of great wealth creation. If you haven't noticed yet, Asia is now creating millionaires faster than any other region of the world.

There's something about the post that's not quite right. But, I'm not sure what it is.

I always consider handles with a single post as suspect and this one is no different. I completely agree that it's no great accomplishment to walk out of any pay-for-play situation with the best girl or the pick-of-the-litter if you have the money for it.

However, accumulating the wealth to pay for the cream of the crop whenever you want it is an accomplishment. In fact, I'd say it is probably the most sought after accomplishment in all of Thailand. Therefore, I say, "Give credit where credit is due."

That said, suspect post or not, my experience here tells me that there's not much I'd change with his post. I see things mostly as he does. Luckily I have not acquired HIV and I hope his problem does not develop the progression. I've had friends that lived with HIV for years and are still alive today.

Hmmm . . . I wonder if the guy ever lived in a wooden shack with a tin roof in Khlong Toei. I did for six months and I can assure you that doing so will get you very acquainted with Bangkok's "poor folk." It was a Dostoyevskian experience.

Cheers and good tidings to all,
poster . . .

[Old Thai Hand]

JB

You actually found something new and interesting in this post? I think that anybody who read the forum could cobble together this info. There's nothing really new here.

There's something about the post that's not quite right. But, I'm not sure what it is. I wonder why someone with limitless money would bother to still be going to the bars, or why he thinks it's some accomplishment to "walk into any bar and walk out with the best on offer much to the chagrin of the young turks". With enough money, the Elephant Man could get the "best on offer", for fuck's sake!

Or, if he really has been married many times to HiSo and LoSo...(which by the way is not an ISG designation, Yett Muat, but a Thai one - if you were so well versed in Thai culture, you'd know that) why would he still be "living amongst the working girls not from the gilded/shielded elite housing".

And this gem..."I continue to have poor and even middle class Thai's offer me their daughter for marriage. In their eyes a well respected wealthy foreigner is much prefered to her running off with the local motorcycle taxi casanova. Sorry I will not share how." Well, big whoop. Poor Thais would line up around the block to have a shot at this guy's wealth and would gladly sell their daughters to get it. However, I somehow doubt a middle class Thai father would be rushing to offer his daughter to even a respected wealthy foreigner unless he was really well-connected within Thai culture. Therefore, this statement I find a little suspect.

Lastly, his handle "Yett Muat" is I think taking the [CodeWord140], a little. While it's an attempt to put two Thai words together, it is not a Thai expression. It could mean "Fuck Division" as in "I'm a soldier serving in the Fuck Division", except that the word order is wrong. It should be Muat Yett. Or, he could be saying "Fuck the Classes", in which case 'fuck' is a verb and the word order is correct. In that case, I guess he's a socialist, then.

The whole of the HIV stuff is wild speculation without any hard facts whatsoever.

Yes, there is some bullshit going on here. But, I'm not sure what it is.

[Jungle Bluebird]

Reads like you should participate more in this forum. Not all members are Thailand newbie’s and tourists.

Figure quite a number of weathered expats are keen to explore different facets of Thailand, well beyond the boring blah blah often found under the Thailand section. A different take on Thai realities is surely appreciated.

Looking forward to more posts...

JB

Just a brief and single post from an old Asia Hand regarding trends, ongoings and a warning...