General Reports

[Franga]

Hi all.

During my next visit to Pattaya I'm planning on having a tooth filled and my teeth cleaned. Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Rob.

The dental center at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit charges around 1300 baht for teeth cleaning and includes X-rays of your side teeth in the price.

Another place which seems good is PIDC on Soi Buakhao just across from Soi Honey.

I would be wary of all these clinics around the place. So I pay up for proper treatment.

[Syzygies]

Thought someone might have some good useful experience.

Can I apply for a six month multi-entry Visa to Thailand from Singapore? Only applied from home country previously. Is Singapore a good place or is somewhere else nearby better? I expect to be in Singapore for a reasonable period.

How long can one stay in Singapore without a Visa, as a tourist. LOL I only stayed a few days previously?

I was not that impressed by girl talent in Geylang and in Orchard Tower previously. Are their great places for slim pretty models, preferably without surgeries, or am I better off coming back to Bangkok for long weekends, and saving expensive Singapore Hotel costs. Maybe my previous survey was a bit too quick.

Am I better off taking a Thai girl to Singapore with me for a while? LOL The worry is she might want to go shopping. Ouch!

[Syzygies]

I have been going to Doctor Smile across from Tukcom for years. As a matter of fact I need to go in a couple of days for a cleaning and yearly check. I think it costs about 700 baht for the deep cleaning. A filling is about the same price. I never knew you did not need to be numbed for a filling until I came to Thailand and the dentist in Bangkok asked me if I wanted it. I was so used to being ripped off in the USA that I did not know it was not necessary.

I try to get to Thai dentist (degree in USA) about 3 times a year for clean and scale and checkup. There is usually some plaque to be cleaned off. My teeth maybe more problem than average (formerly). It seems to keep the problems away, is vastly cheaper than western dentists and usually I can be seen same day I ring up for appointment (in Bangkok), unless right staff are not there. Thai dentists are not so busy because Thais can't afford really frequent visits.

Mouth decay is a contributor to bad breath so worth keeping in good condition.

[Syzygies]

I have been going to Doctor Smile across from Tukcom for years. As a matter of fact I need to go in a couple of days for a cleaning and yearly check. I think it costs about 700 baht for the deep cleaning. A filling is about the same price. I never knew you did not need to be numbed for a filling until I came to Thailand and the dentist in Bangkok asked me if I wanted it. I was so used to being ripped off in the USA that I did not know it was not necessary.

I try to get to Thai dentist (degree in USA) about 3 times a year for clean and scale and checkup. There is usually some plaque to be cleaned off. It seems to keep the problems away, is vastly cheaper than western dentists and usually I can be seen same day I ring up for appointment (in Bangkok), unless right staff are not there. Thai dentists are not so busy because Thais can't afford really frequent visits.

Mouth decay is a contributor to bad breath so worth keeping in good condition.

[Allover]

Hi all.

During my next visit to Pattaya I'm planning on having a tooth filled and my teeth cleaned. Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Rob.

For the past two years I have had my teeth cleaned at Dentist at Beach located on the 4th floor of Pattaya Festival Mall. Their offices appear to be very clean to me and I believe I pay B700-800 for a basic (not deep)cleaning. Their Central Festival mall location is so touristy I almost didn't bother. But when I saw their modern, clean facility I knew it was the place for me. I would suggest stopping by and talking to them. English is no problem. I'm sure Mr. E's recommendation would be worthwhile to check out as well.

For your information I will tell you I pay USD $90 for a cleaning here in Los Angeles.

http://www.dentistbeach.com is their website.

[Theo110]

Went to Thailand for the first time last week. I spent 2 nights in Bangkok and 5 Nights in Pattaya. Plenty of time as by the third day the jet lag / alcohol consumption caught up with me and I was exhausted. I made a lot of rookie mistakes while there but know better now. Here is a summary of what happened.

Bangkok Day 1 Nana Plaza.

1. Went to Nana Plaza checked out several of the bars until closing on a Tuesday night. Visited most of the bar and had a few drinks at each. Found a girl I liked at Rainbow 3 on the third level. Mamasan told me I could have her short time for 3000 baht and 1000 baht bar fine or long time 5000 baht and 1000 baht bar fine for long time. From reading this forum I figured that was too much and offered 650 barfine and 3500 for long time. Mamasan said no and walked away in "anger". The girl seemed angry with the mamasan. They re-approached me 5 minutes later and said 1000 bar-fine and 3000 for (3 hours). At this point I said ok but that I needed to go to the ATM. I left the bar and never returned. Did not have the patience for that. Went back out to the main street and visited some of the beer bars outside of Nana and had a chat with an Australian Monger. Observed street freelancers who looked [CodeWord902] and others opening announcing they would have bare back sex with anyone. I returned home with nothing for the night.

Bangkok Day 2 Soy Cowboy.

1. Arrived at Soy Cowboy around 9 pm on Wednesday. First went to the country bar in front had a beer and people watched. Then hit several gogos.

Afterschool- Had a few drinks. Nice ladies and mamasan. Only 3 other customers in the place. Lineup was not attractive.

Shark Bar- Nice Lineup but nothing of interest.

Baccara- Place was packed. By the time I got there it was about 1030 and alot of the top girls were already gone. Made conversation with an average looking girl upstairs. Said not thank you and went back out on the street.

Sahara- I was slightly drunk by this point and went into this place. Big mistake. I went in and had two girls grinding on me within minutes. Ordered several rounds of drinks while I made out with and fondled them great fun at this point. 30 minutes later I looked at the check 5800 baht!. (It said in 30 minutes I had purchased 24 coyote drinks) The I was speaking with were not dressed any different than everyone else so I did not believe they were Coyote dancers. I paid the bill and immediately left as the bouncers were closing in when I got the check. Obvisouly this place is a scam avoid.

Baccara second time- This was my favorite place of the night went back, I was only none asian customer. Met up with the girl again. Had a few drinks. It was now only an hour before closing. I decided to barfine the girl I had been speaking with. Told the Mamasan. Quoted me 750 baht bar fine. When she left to go ring it up I changed my mind and decided I no longer wanted the girl. The Mamasan refused and the bouncers told me I had to pay or there would be trouble. I paid the barfine and for the drinks and left. The girl followed me out. I told her I did not want her and to go away. She would not leave me alone. I withdrew some money out of the ATM. Three some 20 baht bills on the ground and told her to pick it up like a dog. I walked away and told her to fuck off. She cried.

Now drunk back at hotel I want some food. Get in a cab. Driver says do you want a lady. I said sure. He takes me to some place where I walk in and there are 100 girls fishbowl style sitting on couches. I pick one pay 3500 baht to the place and back to the hotel we go. I get back she starts a covered BJ. After five min I am not into it and tell her to leave. She asks for money saying the place I got her from does not pay her. I said well you should work somewhere else threw 20 baht outside the hotel room door on the floor and as she was picking it up I slammed the door, she cried. So this night I spent probably 1500 baht and only got 5 min of a shitty covered blow job and a hang over.

Next day off to Pattaya.

Arrive at hotel around 230 pm. Nothing room is not ready. Leave bags with bell staff and head to Devils Den. Walk in and very nice English speaking man explains the rules and prices. The girls come in (all 5 and 6's out of 10's). I pick 2 and off we go. We get to the room, shower, and begin. Very nice double BBBJ and I fuck them both. Cum after about 20 min. Take another shower. Lay back on the bed and we go at it again. Got a second pop. We go downstairs. I pay the $4000 baht and tip each of them 200 baht each. Girls were average looking, no lesbian action between them, but very nice double BBBJ, decent enthusiasm, and 2 pops. Overall satisfied.

Check in hotel and have some food. Take a nap. Back out on Walking Street by 9. After dark I was overwhelmed by the amount of street walkers everywhere! Anyways go into a few of the bars. Visited Baccara first. Packed again just like Bangkok had a few drinks and left. Then went to crazy house, was pretty dead, had a few drinks and left. Then went to Moulon Rouge. Spent 1000 baht on 3 drinks with 2 average looking russian girls. Quoted 20,000 baht to take them out. Place only had 7 or 8 girls working total. Said no went back out to the street. Still early in the night and went to a gogo bar down an Alley still today remember what it was called. It believe it was semi directly across from Saphire. Smaller place with very few customers and probably 20 girls dancing. I sat down and had a drink. Within a few minutes a very cute young looking asian girl was sitting on my lap DFKing me. I bought a few rounds of drinks. Mamasan said 1000 bar fine and 5000 for long time. I said what about 1000 bar fine and 4000 long time. She said fine. I leave with the girl, she seems very genuinely excited and seemed to be very happy in her interactions saying goodbye to the other girls on the way out the door. We immediately leave and she says what do you want to do. I say we can do whatever and she says lets go to the Pier night club. I say sure, we go in and order drinks and hooka. This was really fun as she was like my girlfriend the entire night. We smoked several rounds of hooka, drinks, danced, DFK makeout session the entire night until it closed at 3 am. She was taking pictures, snap chats, and videos the entire night and sending to all her friends. She seemed really genuinely happy. Then we leave and she asks if I want to play pool. I say ok, she keeps snap chatting and video taping it, I really don't care and go with it. We play 5 games of pool at the pool hall bar on walking street (I wanted to leave after 2 but she insisted we stay). Things are going really well still a good time but she all of a sudden started going to the bathroom for longer periods of time. We leave the pool bar at about 430 and go to the New York diner for food. She is more and more into her phone as we are there. We order a bunch of food and as we are finishing she goes to the bathroom for probably 30 minutes. She comes back out and I finally say "what's the deal is everything ok"? She says yes. I said why you on phone so long do you have a boyfriend or something. She would not answer and seemed to look upset. At this point I say I had fun with you but it is best our time ends now. She then says no I give you whatever you want with tears in her eyes. I said no not like this I am leaving. I go into the bathroom and when I come back she is gone. I gave her no money at this point. Super weird. Fun night but no sex and 4000 baht saved. I kind of felt bad as she hung out with me for 6 hours and got no money at all just a platonic good time. Was she trying to scam me? Was I supposed to still pay for her time? This kind of felt like a college date where the girl felt guilty and bailed at the end.

Day 4.

Went to Rasputin soapy massage at 2 pm. Awesome time beautiful girl. 2500 baht.

Back to walking street. Went to a few gogo's wasnt feeling it. Went back to Rasputin. Got one of the models for 5000 baht. Was totally worth it.

Day 5.

Walked down SOI 6. Felt trashly left.

Walking street got drunk. Got scammed for 2800 baht for drinks at crappy gogo. It was close to Airport club.

Went to Rasputin again. Went with same 2500 baht girl again.

Day 6.

Checked out Happy 2 and another massage joint close by during the day. Did not take anything.

Went to walking street. Took a girl from Iron for short time across the street. 3500 baht total. 500 for short time hotel. In out bang 20 minutes.

Immediately left the short time hotel and went to Farenheight 1000 baht bar fine. 4000 baht long time. Took back to the hotel. 2 pops. She offered BBFS I said no, took BBBJ though. Good experience.

Day 7.

Soi 6 during the day. Had a few beers. Once again felt trashy could smell the HIV in the air. Did nothing there.

Went to Rasputin. Took the same 5000 baht model from the other night. Satisfied again. She does BBBJ in bathtub but not on bed odd but still good.

Went to LK Metro area at night. Lots of Farangs here and less asians. Checked out Love, Champagne and a few others. I was too tired to do anything and went back to the hotel to pass out. If I go back will spend more time in this area. Girls are less hot and plentiful then walking street but the places are more farang oriented and less likely to rip me off I feel. I went to the sports bar at the end of the corner to get a bite to eat. Can the servers in this place be bar fined? They acted like they can be not that I would want to just wondering.

Day 8 last day.

Went back to happy 2 got a girl 2400 baht very good. Got a bite to eat and headed home around 6 pm.

[Mr Enternational]

During my next visit to Pattaya I'm planning on having a tooth filled and my teeth cleaned. Any recommendations?

I have been going to Doctor Smile across from Tukcom for years. As a matter of fact I need to go in a couple of days for a cleaning and yearly check. I think it costs about 700 baht for the deep cleaning. A filling is about the same price. I never knew you did not need to be numbed for a filling until I came to Thailand and the dentist in Bangkok asked me if I wanted it. I was so used to being ripped off in the USA that I did not know it was not necessary.

[Rob Jones]

Hi all.

During my next visit to Pattaya I'm planning on having a tooth filled and my teeth cleaned. Any recommendations?

Thanks.

Rob.

[AfAsia]

Concern grows as the British pound reaches an historical low versus the Thai Baht as far as this member views it. Don't ever remember the weakening to this extent. The political clowns in Euroland and UK are distabilizing the market with their indecisiveness and failure to reach a settlement divorce.

Bet there are many concerned expats crying into their beer just as I'm deeply concerned. Kinda puts a different perspective on retirement options. Just how bad is this going to get?

[Syzygies]

That leads back to my question that nobody ever answers. If you bar fine a girl once, you have already established contact with her and have her details. What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever? I do not understand that whatsoever. Is is just a must to have her during the hours that the bar is open or what?

There are so many aspects to this. That is perhaps why you think no one wants to answer. I will try to cover some aspects.

1. It depends how much the girl likes and where you are on her pecking order list. If you are a big favourite the girl will keep coming to you most likely. She may still have to pay the barfine each day for a variety of reasons. She may not. Depends on the bar and its rules.

2. Some girls are slyly seeing customers without paying the barfine and hope they don't get caught out. This is much easier if they attend irregularly, and are effectively sideline girls. Some girls claim to be 100% honest and would never cheat the bar. LOL.

3. Many bar girls want to do short time only and preferably close to the bar, so that they can return to the bar and try to sell more drinks or get another short time, if they need the money or are quite popular.

4. One extremely popular girl would happily agree to meet me before bar opening time, because she could get in an extra ST for the evening and sometimes liked to come over for a swim in the pool in daylight hours, occasionally would do long time booking if she thought she would not lose money or was feeling lazy to do many STs. If I met her at say 6 PM near to the bar, she would expect the BF still to be paid, and would even hand it over at the bar before going off with me, since it is quite easy she could be spotted going into ST hotel with me.

5. I have a regular bargirl who is often quite lazy to go to work. She meets me outside and does not expect a BF to be paid. We meet well away from the bar. She has no intention to go to the bar afterwards, might be just desperate for some Baht. Sometimes she is fucking me in return for a small assist already given previously when she was desperate, or previous advance is deducted. She has the sense to never ask for a large amount in advance and not often, just enough to buy food when was sick (or her friend is sick and has to be looked after etc. Whatever). Don't even care what is the real reason. She is somewhat of a bullshit artist so I always take what she says with a grain of salt. Anyway, despite that she remains a good fuck and needs my business. Unfortunately shy about being nude when room is well lit despite a really great slim body so have to get some drinks into her to loosen her up a lot, then she goes at it very well. She cums with difficulty but makes it sometimes. She does not seem to bullshit on this topic. She could easily say she cums every time but does not. She probably needs a real power fucker guy to get her off regularly.

6. There is another girl I meet quite secretly and quite regularly, usually late and sometimes whole night, but she can't be seen with me anywhere commonplace as story could get back to employment and / or her official Boyfriend. Therefore we have to meet at locations and times that suit her. Not all girls want to act so secretly. They may want to be very straightforward and pay barfines to the employer.

7. Girls are hired to sell drinks at the bar, and some are doing their best to achieve this and would rather meet good clients at the bar. They may hope to make a good salary or monthly bonus. Others never get any salary so don't care about monthly earnings. They may still want to make some drink commissions to improve their image in the eyes of the employer. Completely useless girls bringing in few drinks and few Barfines may well be fired as a waste of space and unless extra good looking enough to pull guys in the door but that still requires attendance.

8. To work in a bar, a girl has to be useful even if she is a sideline girl that only shows up sometimes like weekends, due to being a student. That means the girl has to pull in a good number of drinks per month and barfines. Otherwise just get rid of her. So there is a limit to the clandestine meetings she can get away with.

9. Why not meet in the daytime? Some girls are typically sleeping from 8 am to 4 pm (example), I. E. They do not go home from work and immediately sleep. They party or have a good time after work (if not completely drunk already). They don't want to do Long Time since they won't be ready to start sleeping till maybe as late as 8 am and they certainly don't want to fuck at or after 8 am in their normal routine. Girls are all different.

10. Girls may have a boyfriend who expects them to work out of the bar only, no secret meetings. LOL This could apply whether the girl's BF is a Thai or a westerner. BF may send girl to work and pick her up at the bar. May be minding her like a pimp or manager.

11. Girl may have a baby to look after in daytime and her mother minds baby during bar hours.

There are too many varying scenarios, you may well think of others.

So in the end, a guy may well be sick of the bar and not want to waste money buying drinks (when girl does not need leg openers), but the girl may have other ideas. I went to Shark recently as was easier to organise a 3 some when I only had the contact number of one of the girls. The result was having to pay 2 BFs. That is now rectified. I may well be able to arrange a 3 some without going to the bar, but I don't see there is any guarantee of that. Just depends on the girls' attitudes. I certainly don't want to be showing up to bars on a daily basis but an occasional quick visit to check the new talent is okay.

Recent visits to Dollhouse and Crazy House and Shark were not that impressive. No new girls were "must dos" for looks, or even close to that. Hence did not try anything new. Played it safe. Doll House previously had some nice BFable coyotes but standard seems to have dropped right away. Have not BFed inside CH for a long time now. Did take an ex CH girl from 5 Star earlier in the year. The "Car Alarm" music (as another guy put it previously) really makes you want to BF the girl (if can find one) and get out of there as quick as possible. Really hate the bar especially the DJ. Not keen to go back. I can check if "G" wants to meet outside. LOL She has nice tits and nice pussy, BJ okay, like her body (no surgeries).

[Nyezhov]

You make an excellent point Mr E. But not all girls can or will come over during their Go Go work hours which then requires either flexibility on my part or the acceptance of paying the barfine if I want the girl in prime time.

Scenario 1: Girl or girls are able to give the bar some excuse and can visit whenever I like. This is the scenario with my 2 favorite Makati Bottoms girls as well as most of my repeat Manila Go Go girls. As to my Bottoms girls, I don't know how they get away with it or what excuses they give their mamasan, but they are able to visit me prime time for seemingly multiple endless days in a row. Last trip I had them visit me 9 nights in a row - 7 pm to 1 am. I gave the girls what I always give them, supplied bottles of Tequila for the room, and fed them. Their bar got nada. No barfine. Only towards the end of that run did the girls tell me that mama was getting tired of their no show BS and demanding that they return to the bar. Ha Ha. Great girls! I took them both to Sabang Beach, Palawan for 4 nights too. Again no barfine. I just gave them what I usually give them plus food, drink, and T-shirt souvenirs for their kids..

2 and 3 are my favourites.

[Member #4698]

That leads back to my question that nobody ever answers. If you bar fine a girl once, you have already established contact with her and have her details. What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever? I do not understand that whatsoever. Is is just a must to have her during the hours that the bar is open or what?

You make an excellent point Mr E. But not all girls can or will come over during their Go Go work hours which then requires either flexibility on my part or the acceptance of paying the barfine if I want the girl in prime time.

Scenario 1: Girl or girls are able to give the bar some excuse and can visit whenever I like. This is the scenario with my 2 favorite Makati Bottoms girls as well as most of my repeat Manila Go Go girls. As to my Bottoms girls, I don't know how they get away with it or what excuses they give their mamasan, but they are able to visit me prime time for seemingly multiple endless days in a row. Last trip I had them visit me 9 nights in a row - 7 pm to 1 am. I gave the girls what I always give them, supplied bottles of Tequila for the room, and fed them. Their bar got nada. No barfine. Only towards the end of that run did the girls tell me that mama was getting tired of their no show BS and demanding that they return to the bar. Ha Ha. Great girls! I took them both to Sabang Beach, Palawan for 4 nights too. Again no barfine. I just gave them what I usually give them plus food, drink, and T-shirt souvenirs for their kids.

Scenario 2: Girls can't or will not cut their attendance at their bar, but are eager to come over during the afternoon, sometimes with a GF if I am ok with that, for pool parties, boom boom, and late lunch / early dinner before going to work. I enjoy this no barfine scenario a lot and an added benefit is that it leaves my nights open for anything I want to do.

Scenario 3: Girls can't or will not cut their attendance at their bar, but are eager to come over after work. I used to take advantage of this scenario when I was in my 20's and was low on cash. I never paid for sex back then. The girls would come over or I would meet them a block or 2 away from their bars after closing and then the girls would spend the rest of the night and morning with me gratis. Nowadays time is more important to me than money, so I do not like late night drop ins anymore. It crimps my night and besides, by 3 am I usually in dreamland. Ha Ha. But if I lived in LOS instead of just visiting for 7 or 8 weeks at a time, I might engage in scenario 3 with certain girls, but only if I was particularly fond of them and we had a special relationship.

[Goferring]

What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever?

There certainly are benefits to having a bargirl's number but I think it's a mistake to assume she will be available "whenever" you want her.

You're going to be at the back of the queue after working till 3 am, Short and Long time punters who have BFed her, being drunk, tired or asleep or at home, an hours taxi away from you.

For me, after work is out as at 3 am I'm either asleep, drunk or all ready have a girl.

Before work is doable but then there are time pressures between her waking up and getting to work and ghe general chaos that is a girl making a meeting on time.

Cheers.

[Goferring]

The other day in Manila I met a massage chick on WeChat. She came over and gave me one of the best and longest blow jobs ever by a Filipina, we fucked like rabbits, then she gave me one of the best massages to top it off. We fell asleep until I had to check out of the hotel. I even threw in the 200 pesos penalty she was going to have to pay for not going to work that day.

I call Bullshit on this.

Mr E making it rain in Manila. Never. LOL.

😉 😉 😀 😀 🤤 🤤.

[EihTooms]

That leads back to my question that nobody ever answers. If you bar fine a girl once, you have already established contact with her and have her details. What is the sense in going to pay the bar again for the same girl that you already know and can just call her up to have her come over whenever? I do not understand that whatsoever. Is is just a must to have her during the hours that the bar is open or what?

Well, my reasoning for still going to the bar, paying the barfine and so on is a matter of timing. These days I am a one cum a day 65 year old living in Bkk and not a fan of getting that done during the day before a bargirl starts her shift or at 3 am after she ends her shift. 9-11 pm feels about right to me. LOL.

Also, I have done tons of "I come stay all night with you for free after work, honey!" girls and am now convinced the guy who bought her Lady Drinks, paid the 700 baht barfine and the 2000+ fee for a ST at 9 pm when she was truly in "on the job" mode gets a MUCH better deal than the guy getting her all wrung out, tired, drunk and cranky, looking at a bed as a place to fall into a coma rather than a "free" sexual playground after she has long forgotten what an "on the job" mode was. Most of the time I happily pass on those winning offers anymore. Days off are a different matter, of course.

However, the conditions are different for FLs or girls who sometimes show up on Escort Service sites rather than girls working in a bar or massage shop.