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[Explorer8939]

Apparently, there are bars in Thailand with ladies working there who are eager to please.

On February 22, the authorities will decide whether to loosen restrictions on bars imposed due to COVID-19.

[Nounce]

That is where you are dead wrong! Have you been to Silicone Valley where companies like Google are based? I was born and raised in S. F. Have many nephews and nieces working in the tech world a few use to be with Google and Microsoft many left for other smaller startups. You go wait outside some of these larger techs and it is like Little India 100,000 doesn't buy you anything in this area or in S. F. In 2016, I needed to return to S. F. To care for my mother our family building is located in prime real estate our neighbors were all transients from India renting rooms in a house for 2000 USD each share bath and kitchen. Each morning the Google Bus would put up at the corner and take them to work which was an hour away.

Based on what these companies are making they should be paying much more but these H1 B visas so many have diluted the pay scale it is like a sweatshop then you have the leaders who average 500,000 plus. After my mother enters a senior care facility the family put the building on the market two weeks later we got 3 offers all over 4 million USD, the building was brick built-in 1896 with no foundation, and needed a half-million in upgrades. Six months later it was turned into a 12 room rental spread over 3 floors with a shared kitchen and bath on each floor. Each room rented for 2500 a month and there was a waiting list prior to the pandemic. The Google bus driver a Teamster makes 60,000 USD and sleeps in a mobile traitor in the parking lot.

Yes, hundred plus grand is a lot of money but the pay should be much higher the visas have diluted the pay scale to a point the entry jobs are paid less and will stay that way until the visas number are reduced tough to believe with the number of people in this country that they can't find enough homegrown takers for these jobs. These jobs aren't like picking fruits in Central Valley in California because Americans don't want the jobs. Should it be any surprise that few of the CEO is Indian? I'm not bashing Indians it's the way the game is played and sadly Americans are losing.

I can be dead wrong when we are talking about go go bars in Pattaya. This is a complete opposite case. The tech worker shortage is real. That is why so many engineers are hired a year before their graduation.

How many Indian managers or CEOs have you worked with in the valley?

You know an engineer can get offers from multiple large companies at the same time, right? I don't know how large companies manage to all collude together so they all can underpay engineers and not be competitive while there is a shortage when they can afford it like you stated.

One can rent a one bedroom for that amount in South Bay. Right now, a newly built 3 bedroom with security can be rented for under $3 K in the city. Unless someone like the city life, there is no good reason to live farther, and pay more for less in the city and take gbus to work.

How Americans are losing when H1B visa holders are paying taxes here and eventually become permanent residents. Or do you think just outsource the jobs offshore like manufacturing is better?

[LittleBigMan]

When compared to the Indian outsourcing companies that pay less and also take a cut at the same time, it is difficult to see how Google abuses the system when the pay is $100 K+. These companies don't pay engineers based on their visa type.

That is where you are dead wrong! Have you been to Silicone Valley where companies like Google are based? I was born and raised in S. F. Have many nephews and nieces working in the tech world a few use to be with Google and Microsoft many left for other smaller startups. You go wait outside some of these larger techs and it is like Little India 100,000 doesn't buy you anything in this area or in S. F. In 2016, I needed to return to S. F. To care for my mother our family building is located in prime real estate our neighbors were all transients from India renting rooms in a house for 2000 USD each share bath and kitchen. Each morning the Google Bus would put up at the corner and take them to work which was an hour away.

Based on what these companies are making they should be paying much more but these H1 B visas so many have diluted the pay scale it is like a sweatshop then you have the leaders who average 500,000 plus. After my mother enters a senior care facility the family put the building on the market two weeks later we got 3 offers all over 4 million USD, the building was brick built-in 1896 with no foundation, and needed a half-million in upgrades. Six months later it was turned into a 12 room rental spread over 3 floors with a shared kitchen and bath on each floor. Each room rented for 2500 a month and there was a waiting list prior to the pandemic. The Google bus driver a Teamster makes 60,000 USD and sleeps in a mobile traitor in the parking lot.

Yes, hundred plus grand is a lot of money but the pay should be much higher the visas have diluted the pay scale to a point the entry jobs are paid less and will stay that way until the visas number are reduced tough to believe with the number of people in this country that they can't find enough homegrown takers for these jobs. These jobs aren't like picking fruits in Central Valley in California because Americans don't want the jobs. Should it be any surprise that few of the CEO is Indian? I'm not bashing Indians it's the way the game is played and sadly Americans are losing.

[Nounce]

I being a minority have no problems with people coming to the USA Legally and that includes Indians when it comes to the tech world particularly in Silicon Valley the use of H1 B visa is being abused by companies like Google claiming a shortage of train tech workers from the USA Currently these Tech companies make up something like 40% if not more. What started as something good turn out to be more with wages although they are trained there is clearly a bias in the hiring practice with the use of these visas, whenever a politician brings up the number all their lobbyist go to work. I'm not sure your assessment of western imperialist superiorty complex is proper since it can apply to many countries I think your bias against the USA Is what is shining a bit here.

When compared to the Indian outsourcing companies that pay less and also take a cut at the same time, it is difficult to see how Google abuses the system when the pay is $100 K+. These companies don't pay engineers based on their visa type.

[LittleBigMan]

The basic issue here is entitled Western marshmallows losing out to Indian mongers and responding with their usual racism or personal anecdotes.

India is almost 20% of the world's population. Microsoft, Ericson and so on use Indian engineers extensively, so if they don't have any great problem, why should entitled Westerners, who come from countries with their own extremes of wealth and poverty?

There is also Western imperialist superiority complexes which shine through here. They really think they are God's gift.

Indians, in general, move to a different beat but so do many others. They come, in big numbers, to Thailand on their own budget and with their own friends to do things their way. Westerners see themselves losing out to them.

The SOS site you cite seems to be as big as mcDonald's. I regard them and others as big scam jobs full opf folk with dubious attitudes to kids. Show me an NGO big wig and I will show you a scammer and / or a sex pervert.

During the tsunami, India said it did not need help and its blue water navy (which China did not then have) was sending aid abroad, to the Maldives, Sri Lanka etc. Still, Western gangster NGOs were collecting funds "to send to India".

I being a minority have no problems with people coming to the USA Legally and that includes Indians when it comes to the tech world particularly in Silicon Valley the use of H1 B visa is being abused by companies like Google claiming a shortage of train tech workers from the USA Currently these Tech companies make up something like 40% if not more. What started as something good turn out to be more with wages although they are trained there is clearly a bias in the hiring practice with the use of these visas, whenever a politician brings up the number all their lobbyist go to work. I'm not sure your assessment of western imperialist superiorty complex is proper since it can apply to many countries I think your bias against the USA Is what is shining a bit here.

[Etaoin2003]

If I couldn't keep track of which hand was my left, I probably wouldn't be pointing it out.

[Paolo99]

Cambodia or Laos is just a no and we don't need to go further than that.

Cambodia is great Man, don't be so categoric. And Khmer girl are very lovely.

[PedroMorales]

The basic issue here is entitled Western marshmallows losing out to Indian mongers and responding with their usual racism or personal anecdotes.

India is almost 20% of the world's population. Microsoft, Ericson and so on use Indian engineers extensively, so if they don't have any great problem, why should entitled Westerners, who come from countries with their own extremes of wealth and poverty?

There is also Western imperialist superiority complexes which shine through here. They really think they are God's gift.

Indians, in general, move to a different beat but so do many others. They come, in big numbers, to Thailand on their own budget and with their own friends to do things their way. Westerners see themselves losing out to them.

The SOS site you cite seems to be as big as mcDonald's. I regard them and others as big scam jobs full opf folk with dubious attitudes to kids. Show me an NGO big wig and I will show you a scammer and / or a sex pervert.

During the tsunami, India said it did not need help and its blue water navy (which China did not then have) was sending aid abroad, to the Maldives, Sri Lanka etc. Still, Western gangster NGOs were collecting funds "to send to India".

You have quoted a website which is enticing you to donate. Will you donate if you are told only 30% are below poverty line. Yes 30% is huge and the 225 million people under poverty line as designated by World Bank strengthens your case. I am no finance expert, but what is not being considered is that Cost of living in India is pretty low. $2 in rural India is comparable to $20 in rural Germany? How you may ask, It is because food and other essentials cost much less. I argue that
LC.

[Stykler]

I've heard of lecturers in Australia being pressured to not fail students because the uni makes too much money from overseas students. In one case I heard about, a lecturer wasn't allowed to fail a student who couldn't speak English very well but was studying a Master fo Englist Lit!

I confirm that this is correct.

[HorseTrader]

I've worked with plenty of Indian graduates and I have doubted how some of them actually graduted.

I have worked directly with several Indian graduates, most were educated in USA. They ranged from among the worst I've ever seen to among the best. Very much like you would find with any other nationality.

[Kerrstar]

Education:

India has one of the highest number of graduates coming out of technical colleges. Cost of Education is less. Students are not burdened with Student loans unlike in USA. His salary after getting the job will help his family getting out of poverty. In India, parents sponsor their kids education and when the kid starts earning, they support their parents during their old age. So if one person in the family breaks the shakle of poverty and gets out, the entire family is generally pulled out. Indians also send back money if working abroad.

Sadly it also has a very corrupt education system. We've all seen the photos of parents outside of exam rooms pushing the answers into the rooms. I've worked with plenty of Indian graduates and I have doubted how some of them actually graduted. This is not just confined to India though, I've come across this elsewhere. I think it's even becoming an issue in Western countries that have turned higher education into a business. I've heard of lecturers in Australia being pressured to not fail students because the uni makes too much money from overseas students. In one case I heard about, a lecturer wasn't allowed to fail a student who couldn't speak English very well but was studying a Master fo Englist Lit!

[Loose Cannon]

Two thirds of Indians live in poverty. 68.8% live on less than $2/ day, over 30% live on less than $1. 25/ day. I'd call that third world country standards. Oh, and yes, I've been to India 11 times and travelled extensively throughout the country for work.

https://www.soschildrensvillages.ca/...y-in-india-602

You have quoted a website which is enticing you to donate. Will you donate if you are told only 30% are below poverty line. Yes 30% is huge and the 225 million people under poverty line as designated by World Bank strengthens your case. I am no finance expert, but what is not being considered is that Cost of living in India is pretty low. $2 in rural India is comparable to $20 in rural Germany? How you may ask, It is because food and other essentials cost much less. I argue that only if you pull up the rural indian and transpose him to rural Germany and expect him to survive with that $2 he earned and spend it on german living, it will be an unfair ask. Put him in India where his requirements are locally met, he would not be that badly off. Basic facilities and necessities are subsidised for the poor in India. Also Indians have a money saving mentality. They try to save for a rainy day and do not blow away their money as soon as they get it.

Having worked there unhappily years ago, I would have to agree. India's per capita GDP ranks number 180 in the world and is approximately $2,104, making it a "middle income," country in the lexicon of development. By contrast, the Philippines, where I live, ranks 158 with a per capita GDP of slightly more than $3,400, and yet by any reasonable definition is a third world country.

There's no hard and fast definition of third world, and the more politically correct term now would be "developing country," but by my standards India has a very long way to go. I couch my definition in terms of quality of and access to education, gender equality, access to quality health care, quality of infrastructure, percentage of the population living in poverty, average life expectancy, infant and maternal mortality rates per 100,000 population and percentage of children living at or below the poverty lines. Using these criteria, India surely qualifies.

GE.

Looked at the 3 lists on Wikipedia.

Thailand ranks 77,82, 83.

India 142 on all lists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

All the above are factually correct. Lets see another perspective.

Education:

India has one of the highest number of graduates coming out of technical colleges. Cost of Education is less. Students are not burdened with Student loans unlike in USA. His salary after getting the job will help his family getting out of poverty. In India, parents sponsor their kids education and when the kid starts earning, they support their parents during their old age. So if one person in the family breaks the shakle of poverty and gets out, the entire family is generally pulled out. Indians also send back money if working abroad.

Health care:

Government hospitals are poor, but almost every town has one or more hospitals run by some charitable organization or some temples or godman provides medical facilities at very affordable rates. Cost of Laser Eye surgery using the latest equipment in one such organization is less than $500 both eyes and cost of one dialysis session is less than $20. Which developed country can afford to give it at such costs. Obamacare has ensured that a person with throat infection can be billed $28000. How is Indian hospitals able to afford to stay in business? India does it by using its biggest so called weakness. Population. Like a wholesaler, these hospitals cater to more than 10 k patience per month? I am not exagerating. Consultation fees are less than 1 dollar and the extra is only the medicines in most cases of routine checkups. They also don't order unnecessary scans. No corporate intervention thankfully. The entire district / county is covered. Your access to high quality hospitals is covered here. India is getting known for its cost effective medical treatment and is on of the largest medical tourism destination.

India is also the largest supplier of generic medicines / vaccines. USA wanted HCQ to stem covid during initial period. Boom, it arrived from India. Moderna, Pfizer behind schedule producing vaccines, but India has already shipped multiple countries. The tier one countries have booked the vaccines and only thinking about themselves. India is sending free vaccine to others along with supplying their own front line workers.

We are not even talking about Indias space capabilities. This is not your regular "Third World Country" waiting for freebies from First world countries. Developing country yes. Need to take care of its own more, Yes. Is it in track? Definitely yes. Will it meet the Western standards of First World status, Never, Not our style. Ultimately, India has a problem of plenty. This problem has allowed it to have its required facilities and amenities while maintaing a low cost of living. These GDP, PPP all may sound good in paper, not scalable to the population of India or most of SEA. It only helps another opportunist to open up a website and collect your donation. You must be aware that almost all big NGO spend 70% of their funds on their corporate maintenance and only 30% reaches the intended target.

https://www.businesstoday.in/current...ry/238085.html

http://cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-heal...-medical-bill/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india...142400644.html

Why are we even discussing this. Gosh.

LC.

[PedroMorales]

https://www.insider.com/are-bidets-a...t-paper-2019-8

I have used squat toilets in Thailand and elsewhere after a hooker showed me the drill. Toilets, squat or otherwise, can be hard if you don't know hot to operate. I have been on squat share diving boats with no toilet paper and I cannot see how that could be clean or tidy.

Toilet paper is the only product designed to disintegrate in the sewage. Kitchen paper, wet wipes etc are all bad ju ju. Ditto condoms and tampons which women flush down.

I cannot see bidets working in modern societies. Yes, the bum is the garbage area out back and lumps do get left there. But there is a price to pay for everything.

How would you explain food poisoning, the infamous Delhi Belly?

Some conventions are good: the Eastern habit of taking shoes off indoors, eating dogs and so on but modern Western society has a different beat. Left hand, right hand, too confusing. Modern plumbing would set the pace a lot.

As regards spicy food, that is to kill bugs. It is the same in all hot countries. There are Nigerians who eat an almost all fiber diet. Fresh market for toilet paper there.

Hoarding is an interesting thing. Symptoms of a weak society, I think. That said, I am well stocked in toilet paper. It is the simply the way I shop.

Food for thought at least. Most of us are tourists, no matter how long we stay. The worst offenders are those who pretend to understand Buddhism or ways their people were not raised with. I guess bum washing is beyond me, unless I changed dress codes and much else as well.

Anyway, thanks for the info. Food for thought.

Indian Food are generally Spicy. It tastes good when you eat, but what happens the next day morning? Your butt-hole is on fire. What cools best? Water or TP?

Indian or Asian toilets are mostly squat and do. The indian Attire (both men and women) allows clothes to be tucked easily to keep them from getting wet. The squat will also force people to complete the activity quickly. No browsing cell phones in that position. The position also best suits natural bowel movement. The squating position makes it easy to wash without soiling the cloth as the clothes are already above waisteline. The water falls into the bowl after cleaning the A-hole.

Your tailor must have lifted his garments, taken a crap, washed up with his left hand and later washed up his hands with soap, dried his hands and came back to take your measurement mostly using his right hand. Indian thought process says Left hand (Mostly non-dominant hand), to be used for unclean activities washing up after toilet, pick up some dirty stuff like dust bin. Right hand (Mostly dominant), used for clean activities including eating, greeting, receiving or giving money or things as a show of respect..

[DazeUp]

Excellent post on what development means. If I may I would add rule of law, independent judiciary, press freedom, level of corruption, access to opportunity. A more debatable perhaps more contentious issue is whether it is a true democracy and whether human rights are constitutionally guaranteed.

Interesting stuff! I guess the poster who said it depends on the point of view of the speaker was on to something. To you point though, I've been to Dubai, very modern place. Can't out my finger on why I still think it's a third world country, probably a combination of what you mentioned.

[DazeUp]

Not looking for an argument, only information. Toilet paper is geared to flush down toilets and disintegrate, if the plumbing is "first world". SE Asian toilets often have inferior plumbing and so a bucket is used. Western high or medium rise apartments often have the same problem with water pressure.

My question is Indians and other washing their bum. How is that hygienic? How can you nip out of your clothing shop, have a crap, wash your ass and go back to measuring up your customer? What if you live in a village and have a high fiber diet like I do?.

Not looking to argue either my friend but ever heard of washing your hands after you use the bathroom, whether you used toilet paper or just water? That's why they have sinks and soap dispensers in the toilets. It's not as if when you use toilet paper you can now start serving customers at the local mcdonald's.

The measuring your customer comment was hilarious though, I couldn't stop laughing at that one.