General Reports

[Mr Enternational]

We're all taking advantage of their circumstances. Whether they accept 500 or 3000 baht is beside the point.

Likewise they are taking advantage of our circumstances. Is that not what a market is? An exchange of needs, wants, goods, services, and currency. When you go buy an item at the grocery store are you taking advantage of the grocer that is exchanging the product you need for money, or is he taking advantage of you? You are taking advantage of each other I would think.

Under different circumstances in the US or Western Europe a man would take a chick out and spend a considerable amount on dinner and shit IN HOPES of getting some pussy. A chick can go out with 5 different dudes each week getting a fully belly and fulfilling the hopes of none of the guys. Who has the advantage in that?

The fair exchange that we practice in Thailand is not a robbery. Each one of us have probably had just as many chicks decline offers from us as have accepted. That in itself tells you that we have no particular advantage over anyone.

The label "cheap Charlie" was invented by people running Farang-oriented bars to socially shame the low spenders.

It is also used by broke ass chicks around the world in attempts to shame men out of their money. Glad is does not work on me.

[WindAngel]

Tell me of a first world nation where these services are substantially cheaper than the USA, and is available at that low price for non citizens / tourists. So what I'm saying is a countries poverty is the reason why labor costs are so low, hence things like healthcare, massages, accommodation are low priced, likewise this explains why P4P is cheaper.

Taiwan is a developed country. It is much cheaper than in USA. Healthcae is substantially cheaper. A visit with everything out of pocket is cheaper than my US copay. A first class haircut is less than $20 including wash. Padi+madi is $10. A good omasake can be had for less than $30. A very good oamasake less than $50. Prostitution is illegal. A good session with a beautiful girl can be had for under $70/ HR, lower if the girls are older.

[MutantChicken]

I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.

Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.

Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?

https://www.infosurv.com/does-tippin...tomer-service/#text=Generally%2 C%20 how%20 much%20 people%20 tip, with%20 the%20 quality%20 of%20 service. &text=The%20 same%20 study%20 found%20 in, weakly%20 correlated%20 with%20 bigger%20 tips.

"he same study found in surveys that people say they tip almost exclusively based on the level of service, however, in field studies in actual restaurants find that better service is weakly correlated with bigger tips. ".

Now am I saying that if you are a weak beta male who is unattractive you cannot use the carrot of a big tip to increase your value, sure you can.

What I'm getting at is best illustrated by these examples.

Situation 1 Newbie monger gets the standard fuck and suck and he is blown away can't sing enough of her praises pays 2000.

Situation 2 Pinkpearl comes along and promises a "big tip" for good service, she again gives the standard fuck and suck that she got praised for earlier, but PP said that's the norm not excellent service refuses a tip they argue and everyone leaves unhappy.

Situation 3 "tipper" guy comes along and same thing happens standard suck and fuck tips 1000 baht as he happy.

Situation 4 "tipper2" guy comes along standard suck and fuck, this time tips 500 baht again argument as she says last time got 1000 now why 500 baht he relents as doesn't want trouble.

Situation 5 Average monger comes along and she says I want 1000 baht tip I make you happy OK, IE now her expectation is 1000 baht on top of her 2000 fee to do exactly what she did with Sit 1.

[Crocodilexp]

not taking advantage of a girls circumstances

We're all taking advantage of their circumstances. Whether they accept 500 or 3000 baht is beside the point.

Under different circumstances, the same girl in the US or western Europe, having had decent educational opportunities and a solid pool of potential husbands, most likely wouldn't be going with an old git like me at all.

There's nothing wrong with minimizing your costs, as long as you treat people with respect. The label "cheap Charlie" was invented by people running Farang-oriented bars to socially shame the low spenders.

[PinkPearl]

I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.

Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.

Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?

I think you're proving his point. P4 P, you're already paying. You making tipping a norm and it becomes a sense of entitlement whereby if you don't tip, or if you don't tip enough, you'll receive poor service.

Proving his point? How is that? Please elaborate.

How is it making tipping a norm if a punter, who because he has become jaded from spending so many months in the LOS Land of Smiles, finds 90% of gals he picked up, namely streetwalkers, to be unworthy of a repeat or a tip?

[Mr Enternational]

I think you're proving his point. P4 P, you're already paying. You making tipping a norm and it becomes a sense of entitlement whereby if you don't tip, or if you don't tip enough, you'll receive poor service.

I am not a tipper, but how is this so if you are giving the tip AFTER the service?

[SinfullyKorean]

"Americans who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 can safely travel at home and abroad, as long as they take basic precautions like wearing masks. ".

Hopefully, this will be taken into consideration as Thailand revises their quarantine policies. Why wait for 70% inoculation if the tourists are vaccinated and safe?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/h...cinations.html

[SinfullyKorean]

I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.

Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.

Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?

I think you're proving his point. P4 P, you're already paying. You making tipping a norm and it becomes a sense of entitlement whereby if you don't tip, or if you don't tip enough, you'll receive poor service.

[Member #4733]

You are very correct. My mistake. Was just rushing through a post. Some 1 hour sessions in Thailand last 30 minutes too especially in Soi 6, G Clubs, FL, FS massage joints, etc.

In Thailand I do not get much more time than 45 minutes. I don't like regulars. I am a one-time-only and move on. Maybe that is the reason I get poor service in Thailand?

Agree Germany has way hotter girls. Remember back in 2012 when it was predominantly Czech, Hungarian, Polish, German, Russian, etc. Some were true model quality. Germany went downhill with the Romanian invasion. Problem is I like to party outside the club and this is difficult in Germany with only my regular girls willing to go out to do things outside the club.

Talking about the past is difficult because everybody has his own time window and preferences. First time I went to an FKK was in 2012. Many men in Holland tell me that was after the heyday in FKK land. But I liked it very much. On the other hand my top session was in 2018 with a Romanian girl. And all the posts here show that everybody has his own opinion. And you are correct that there is not much space to go out with girls beyond the club. But it happens to men that visit the same club often. If you want, you have to take them shopping first. Just give them wheels. If you want to party in a club then go to Samya in Cologne. That is beyond imagination. Just go there once and avoid the official holidays. For example on Good Friday they won't play the music loud till midnight out of respect for the Christian holidays. They are Turkish themselves. In Thailand I mostly like gogo's and just treat the girls with lady drinks. Somehow the sex in Thailand doesn't satisfy me. Too little skills or willingness. I don't know but the atmosphere is great.

[PinkPearl]

There is plenty of evidence that proves tipping doesn't improve service, if anything it ensures decline of attitude and increased sense of entitlement.

I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.

Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.

Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?

[PinkPearl]

https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/31/mutan...erts-14333429/

Two-thirds of disease experts believe new variants of coronavirus could make vaccines ineffective within a year, a survey shows. The study, which saw the People's Vaccine Alliance interview 77 epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists from around the world, found about 66% of them think the virus will mutate so much that first-generation vaccines will be unable to prevent infection within 12 months. Of that group, nearly one-fifth believe it would occur within six months and one-third said within nine months. Another 18.2% think it will be at least two years. But fewer than one in eight experts think the vaccines will be able to withstand future mutations of the virus. It comes as manufacturers of the currently available injections including Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca are now working on booster doses to ward off mutations of Covid-19. It is hoped an additional jab, given six to 12 months after the first two doses, may help to protect against variants including the Brazil, South African and UK strains. In February, Pfizer started offering a third dose to 144 volunteers who took part in the vaccine's early-stage testing in the US last year. And Moderna started clinical trials of a booster jab earlier this month, with volunteers who took part in the.

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I suppose an annual covid 19 vaccination could become the norm, like we have annual flu influenza shots now for the annually new flu mutations.

The future for related businesses may be bright, if you're looking to invest in something.

[GrapeMan]

Another benefit of the Romanians is that they kept the prices down, there was so much competition that only the stunners could get away with charging higher prices. I still hope to get back to the FKK's but I believe that it will be next year now as Europe won't have the virus under control for another six months.

Hell, I miss the days of the flat rate, all you can fuck, FKKs, which I don't know if any still exist. Mostly Romanian girls, occasionally some others, but usually a ton of them so there's always lookers, and well, you've already paid, so you get whatever you want too, as much as you want.

[Downandup]

Nonsense here. The FKKs had their heydays when Romanians were making up 85% of the line-ups. In fact Romanians made the FKKs. Good bodies coupled with great service. Other nationalities often got displaced to venues offering less value for money.

Another benefit of the Romanians is that they kept the prices down, there was so much competition that only the stunners could get away with charging higher prices. I still hope to get back to the FKK's but I believe that it will be next year now as Europe won't have the virus under control for another six months.

[Sunlover2]

The gal I occasionally see in Farangland to take the edge off comps closest to the Tulip ladies: both in age / looks and activities. So comparing her Farangland pricing to the Bangkok scene is as follows:

A short stay (SS) or quick visit (QV) is $60 USD or about 1,800 baht for a BJ. This would comp to Low-lee-tas for 800 baht or $27 USD, so a little over 2 x the price.

A half hour (HH) is $100 or about 3,000 baht for a suck and fuck. I would comp this closest to a Soi 4 streetwalker for 1,500 baht or $50 USD, so around 2 x the price.

An hour (FH) is $160 or about 4,800 baht for multiple shots on goal. I would comp this closest to a 1 hour Tulip session for 1,900 baht or $63, so about 2. 5 x the price.

Anything over 1 hour is where Bangkok's sliding scale becomes the real bargain.

SL.

[Berrys66]

https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/31/mutan...erts-14333429/

Two-thirds of disease experts believe new variants of coronavirus could make vaccines ineffective within a year, a survey shows. The study, which saw the People's Vaccine Alliance interview 77 epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists from around the world, found about 66% of them think the virus will mutate so much that first-generation vaccines will be unable to prevent infection within 12 months. Of that group, nearly one-fifth believe it would occur within six months and one-third said within nine months. Another 18.2% think it will be at least two years. But fewer than one in eight experts think the vaccines will be able to withstand future mutations of the virus. It comes as manufacturers of the currently available injections – including Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca – are now working on booster doses to ward off mutations of Covid-19. It is hoped an additional jab, given six to 12 months after the first two doses, may help to protect against variants including the Brazil, South African and UK strains. In February, Pfizer started offering a third dose to 144 volunteers who took part in the vaccine's early-stage testing in the US last year. And Moderna started clinical trials of a booster jab earlier this month, with volunteers who took part in the.

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