General Reports

[Expat American]

Singapore before Covid you could get a 40 USD fuck at a legal brothel or a 80 USD GFE hour with a hot girl in her 20's. Not Singaporean girls but imported Thai, Chinese or Viet girls. Even now with the borders close you can get a decent GFE and massage for about 120 USD.

[Explorer8939]

Covid-19 is spiking up in Thailand, particularly in Bangkok, where it spread rapidly through the bars frequented by High Society Thais. It looks like this wave is the Big One the government has been worried about. Bars are closed in Bangkok and Pattaya.

[Crocodilexp]

tipping... offered beforehand as a promise if a specific service (such as BBFS, DATO, DFK) is performed.

A promise of additional money for specific service beforehand is NOT a tip. It's an upsell. No idea why people insist on using "a tip" as a euphemism, but it's no more a tip than "un petit cadeau" given to a corrupt official to get out of trouble is a genuine heartfelt gift. Now, there's nothing wrong with negotiating before the session, some guys need to be clear on services provided (especially if it's something non-standard like A+) but let's call it for what it is.

However, negotiating / offering extra money for what should be services (like BBBJ, DFK, DATY) encourages the worst of behaviors in the girls. The a-la-carte sex is one of the most depressing aspects of paid sex, sadly common across the world. One major reason why people go to places like Thailand or The Philippines is precisely to avoid that, and have some illusion of a smooth sex session, rather than having to fight for every single thing, including taking off the bra.

I only tip if a girl has gone above and beyond, and never tell her beforehand I might tip her. Happens in maybe 20%-30% of the sessions in Thailand these days, and usually no more than token 100-200 baht. As for negotiation, I might ask to confirm if certain things (like BBBJ or 2 shots) are available, but don't offer extra money for them on top of the agreed on session price. If she doesn't do it, too bad, move on to the next one.

[MonkeyPaw]

When this all started, I wrote this will be all about "the haves, the have nots, inequality, and social injustice" spotlighted by a global pandemic that seems to have no end. Nothing has change. Look around the world and you are seeing a perfect storm brewing with all the chaos. I suggest people go out and do whatever is on your bucket list or fuck whatever hot girl you can find or have an orgy. The end is the end.

Hate to say, I told you so, but I told you so. Haves versus Have Nots. There is a reason why they are only closing "entertainment and sex" venues, blocking Facebook videos and pages, and quieting workers.

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/pim...s-covid-video/

[PinkPearl]

https://www.infosurv.com/does-tippin...tomer-service/#text=Generally%2 C%20 how%20 much%20 people%20 tip, with%20 the%20 quality%20 of%20 service. &text=The%20 same%20 study%20 found%20 in, weakly%20 correlated%20 with%20 bigger%20 tips.

"he same study found in surveys that people say they tip almost exclusively based on the level of service, however, in field studies in actual restaurants find that better service is weakly correlated with bigger tips. ".

That article refers to tipping in certain restaurants, etc, not prostitution. And tipping after the service is completed not offered beforehand as a promise if a specific service (such as BBFS, DATO, DFK) is performed. So it has no relevance to the type of tipping I was referring to. And does not constitute evidence against it. OTOH the following second restaurant example is additional evidence, on top of what my previous posts have stated, in favor of the view that the type of tipping I refer to works and can be highly successful:

"Tony Gill, professor of political science at the University of Washington, believes in tipping, and he has a favourite story about it. He's a fan of US football team the Seattle Seahawks. Every week he goes to his favourite bar, where a stool is reserved for him on game days. One week he had to travel for work, and the bar called to see whether he was OK. That, he says, is how good service quality becomes when you tip.

"Social psychologist Mike Lynn also has a favourite tipping story, but it's a bit different. He was working at a fine dining restaurant during his student days when a customer called him over and slapped a pile of US $5 notes on the table. The customer declared the money was Lynn's tip, but that he'd take away one fiver for every time his glass went unfilled, his ashtray unemptied, or any other issue that arose. Lynn ended up pocketing a big tip."

https://www.intheblack.com/articles/...-great-service

Now am I saying that if you are a weak beta male who is unattractive you cannot use the carrot of a big tip to increase your value, sure you can.

What I'm getting at is best illustrated by these examples.

Situation 1 Newbie monger gets the standard fuck and suck and he is blown away can't sing enough of her praises pays 2000.

Situation 2 Pinkpearl comes along and promises a "big tip" for good service, she again gives the standard fuck and suck that she got praised for earlier, but PP said that's the norm not excellent service refuses a tip they argue and everyone leaves unhappy.

Situation 3 "tipper" guy comes along and same thing happens standard suck and fuck tips 1000 baht as he happy.

I wouldn't do what you imagine me doing above. For one thing I don't speak Thai and wouldn't trust that the lady would understand in English what I'm talking about if had ever spoken to any of them about a tip for good service. Secondly, it is too vague and, as you correctly pointed out, can lead to misunderstanding and unhappiness. How is she going to guess what is meant by good service. Is she a mind reader. Obviously not. OTOH when she says must have condom and I say big tip for no condom and she jumps on my bare erect rock hard joy stick, evidently the deal is understood and sealed.

if you are requesting something that is out of the norm or dangerous (most sane people would consider bareback sex with a prostitute not the norm and unsafe) then you would have to pay extra (call that a tip).

In this era of covid and its ever deadlier mutations, I wonder if most people would consider kissing a prostitute to be the norm and safe, either in 2020,2021, 2022 or thereafter. Which is more dangerous, BBFS precovid o -lunhnnr DFK during covid with a PFP pay for play gal. Of course if one really wants to be safe, they can stay home, keep away from any form of sex with prostitutes or anyone else, and wank to internet porn and sex dolls. That would be safer re pregnancy and STIs as well as being cheaper and perhaps better sex as well. So how safe do you want to be. That's what I've been doing the past six years or so as I build up my bankroll for something different in South East Asia in latter 2021 or 2022. As far as bareback sex is concerned, as I've proven via many of my old posts, it's quite possible to do that in a way that is as safe as those who typically use condoms. By means off HIV testing, coitus interruptus, vasectomy, circumcision, etc. Been there, done that.

[Turgid]

All of my friends, coworkers, and family at home know that I go to Thailand and most of them assume I go for sex. A few of them have asked me and I tell them that sex is part of the trip. Nobody has expressed any discomfort with the concept. One female friend said why else would a man go to Thailand?

I have several Thai friends in USA and they are supportive of what I do. They view it as recreation for me and financial support for the girls and their family.

I suppose it depends on the sort of society in which one lives. I would never tell anyone I know that I am going to another country to bang hookers. If I'm going to Colombia, Brazil, the Philippines or Thailand I do not tell anyone that I am going there but lie and say another country where I usually go for work if I tell them at all. I tell them when I'm going to Germany though where I go to quite often.

My brother introduced me to mongering in the early 1970's but he no longer does that and just drinks and hangs out with his buddies now. I used to tell him about my exploits but stopped about 12 years ago after his slightly contemptuous reaction to a verbal Colombia trip report. My circle of associates are very judgmental and I actually seek to avoid their company as much as possible.

[PinkPearl]

You seem bent on examining things in isolation, you think tipping improves attitude, guess what so do many other men, and their accumulative action of tipping is what creates the norm to these girls.

Please show me, sir, where I ever said that I think tipping improves attitude. The topic being addressed is service, not attitude.

As for attitude if you tip a waiter 100 USD they are probably going to be happy, thrilled and you will have likely made their day. With also an instant attitude improvement towards their benefactors.

As for what creates the norm to these girls, the more they get paid all the power to them. Are you familiar with the story of Robin Hood.

Many foreign mongers spend thousands in air fare and hotels to spend a while in Siam. Why should they haggle over or be concerned about spending a relatively few extra dollars while having the time of their life with a Thai lady? Those dollars mean little to the monger, but a whole lot to many poor Thai women and their families.

Have you considered that maybe the reason that these girls you deem unworthy of a tip, maybe that way due to the behavior of mongers in the past.

The reason the 90% were deemed unworthy of a repeat or tip is because they were not up to the standard of the other 10% who were worthy of being regulars or keepers. More specifically their attitude and or services provided were not up to snuff. Some of the services I was interested in included BBFS bareback full service sex, or one hour long BBBJ bareback blow job, or rimming for an extended duration, or DFK for an hour or three, or continual balls licking and many others that I won't bore you with by listing. A one minute BJ or no kissing doesn't really cut it, amongst various other causes for being not repeat worthy.

The most common complaint I hear from men about a girls attitude is demanding tips or asking for tips even before service has began.

In having spent many months in Thailand seeing Bangkok streetwalkers I can't say I've ever encountered that kind of an upsell that sometimes occurs in Western prostitution. Have things changed that much in a few years since I was there in 2014. I doubt it. In the vast majority of cases I've found Thai females attitudes are at least quite decent, if not even excellent.

Or another possibility is maybe she just isn't into you, but I would have thought given your examples, offering a BIG tip would change most girls from a being cold fish to a hot ready to please fucklet. Seems to me this disproves your theory that tipping improves service.

IME the few times I've ever offered a huge tip to get a lady to do something she was reluctant to do, it was generally successful. So, yes, that's evidence that tipping in such a situation often improves service, IOW it got me the service that I wanted.

The fact that I found, as a jaded monger, that 90% were not worthy of repeats, has no bearing on whether or not a big tip would have proven successful in getting what I wanted from those sessions, because I generally did not offer such a big tip during those sessions. In general I just let the ladies take the lead and do what they were into doing. If they asked me what I wanted, then I might tell them but not press the issue if they were reluctant.

Anyway like I said, guys who want to tip, overpay or call it whatever you want, can do as you please as its your money, but no way in hell will I be divulging where I find my 19 yrs old to fuck for 20 dollars, or the equivalent gem finds in the applicable countries. Feel free to pay as much as you like for women who already are overpriced, as these are not the waters I fish in.

Sure, keep the inside info to yourself. Why wouldn't you. You wouldn't want to spoil your market or have ladies demanding higher prices. Personally I'm happy for relatively poor PFP pay for play gals getting more money from richer Koreans, Japanese, Americans and every other nationality. The story of Robin Hood comes to mind.

[HorseTrader]

I do not know why people think they will carry a scarlet letter if their friends and family know they are off fucking hookers. It has been a common thing for men to do since the dawn of time. No big deal.

In USA we can thank our schools and churches for that view.

[Mr Enternational]

All of my friends, coworkers, and family at home know that I go to Thailand and most of them assume I go for sex. A few of them have asked me and I tell them that sex is part of the trip. Nobody has expressed any discomfort with the concept. One female friend said why else would a man go to Thailand?

I do not know why people think they will carry a scarlet letter if their friends and family know they are off fucking hookers. It has been a common thing for men to do since the dawn of time. No big deal.

[RacShack]

Getting closer, but still seems like a lifetime!

[HorseTrader]

However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.

All of my friends, coworkers, and family at home know that I go to Thailand and most of them assume I go for sex. A few of them have asked me and I tell them that sex is part of the trip. Nobody has expressed any discomfort with the concept. One female friend said “why else would a man go to Thailand?”

I have several Thai friends in USA and they are supportive of what I do. They view it as recreation for me and financial support for the girls and their family.

[MutantChicken]

Proving his point? How is that? Please elaborate.

How is it making tipping a norm if a punter, who because he has become jaded from spending so many months in the LOS Land of Smiles, finds 90% of gals he picked up, namely streetwalkers, to be unworthy of a repeat or a tip?

You seem bent on examining things in isolation, you think tipping improves attitude, guess what so do many other men, and their accumulative action of tipping is what creates the norm to these girls. Of course your individual actions won't do much by itself. So the fact you don't do repeats is a moot point. Have you considered that maybe the reason that these girls you deem unworthy of a tip, maybe that way due to the behavior of mongers in the past. The most common complaint I hear from men about a girls attitude is demanding tips or asking for tips even before service has began.

Or another possibility is maybe she just isn't into you, but I would have thought given your examples, offering a BIG tip would change most girls from a being cold fish to a hot ready to please fucklet. Seems to me this disproves your theory that tipping improves service.

I will concede, that if you are a below average man in appearance or charisma IE you are so physically ugly or so obnoxious and annoying that you need to pay extra (call it a tip) to get a woman to agree to fuck you, or if you are requesting something that is out of the norm or dangerous (most sane people would consider bareback sex with a prostitute not the norm and unsafe) then you would have to pay extra (call that a tip).

Anyway like I said, guys who want to tip, overpay or call it whatever you want, can do as you please as its your money, but no way in hell will I be divulging where I find my 19 yrs old to fuck for 20 dollars, or the equivalent gem finds in the applicable countries. Feel free to pay as much as you like for women who already are overpriced, as these are not the waters I fish in.

[Vagabundo1]

https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...ersonal-choice

A superb article, appropo to all mongers everywhere.

We're all mongers here, and have found ways to rationalize our behavior as fair.

However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.

For this reason, I think that shaming fellow mongers as "cheap Charlies" and "taking advantage" is particularly insidious and bad manners. A perfect example of pot calling the kettle black.

[Crocodilexp]

The fair exchange that we practice in Thailand is not a robbery. Each one of us have probably had just as many chicks decline offers from us as have accepted. That in itself tells you that we have no particular advantage over anyone.

We're all mongers here, and have found ways to rationalize our behavior as fair.

However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.

For this reason, I think that shaming fellow mongers as "cheap Charlies" and "taking advantage" is particularly insidious and bad manners. A perfect example of pot calling the kettle black.

[MutantChicken]

I am not a tipper, but how is this so if you are giving the tip AFTER the service?

Because now girls are asking a tip as part of the negotiation IE how much you tip me or tip me xyz I give you good service etc etc etc or they simply add the tip as part of the price IE 2000 become 3000 due to all the guys tipping 1000 for just a girls normal service so she now thinks she worth 3000 and that becomes the new base market rate.