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08-20-16 11:04 #8315
Posts: 15815Thai Logic
This chick who I have been messing with for years works at a restaurant. She was telling me about an upcoming holiday where some customer wants her to prepare a bite-sized desert. I forgot the name of them, but they have to be made by hand. Usually she charges 5 baht each for them. But this customer needs like 1500. So guess how much she will charge? 6 baht each! I said but they are giving you more business so you are supposed to charge them less. She said but since it is more work for her to do she has to charge them more. Well since you put it like that...
I just asked and she sent me a picture of them and said this time she only had to make 1400. She said in February she had to make 3000 for the same customer.
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08-20-16 10:57 #8314
Posts: 15815Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
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08-20-16 07:41 #8313
Posts: 12856Originally Posted by Allover [View Original Post]
In most Thai words or syllables starting with a K, it sounds like a G (but lacking a buzz or vibration of an English G). If they really want the English K sound, then Kh will be used, as in Sukhumvit / Sukhumwit.
Hence Bongkot massage sounds like Bong-got. Kai sounds like Gai and is the chicken. Khai is the egg.
To get and English T or P (aspirated) sound, usually use Th or Ph in the English spelling of the Thai word, as in Thai and Phuket.
An English Th sound does not exist in Thai language, nor in German. Other English sounds that don't exist in Thai:
Th, Sh, v, x, z,
and lots of consonant sounds in English never appear at the end of a Thai word, e.g.:
f, h, j, l, q, r, s.
Thai l and r are a bit different to English versions.
Many Thai vowel sounds are rather different to English vowels and closer to European vowel sounds like in German as an example.
Unfortunately it takes a very long time to learn Thai pronunciation properly, to include the tones. I would say first 6 months of learning Thai is concentrating on pronunciation. That is the hard part. Vocab is not so tough and Grammar is easy, so little to learn. If someone gets past the first 6 months of hard work, Thai gets a lot easier over time.
I try to learn Isaan too now, however find the pronunciation of the tones very difficult to comprehend, and difficult to find any teacher that can explain it properly, even if they speak Isaan. So the tones are different to normal Thai. Tricky.
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08-20-16 04:59 #8312
Posts: 991Thai Pronunciation
Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
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08-19-16 11:27 #8311
Posts: 12856Knowing the Thai way to say things - place names 101
Something I thought was very amusing: There is no such place as the River Kwai in Thailand. It is actually the river Kwae (sounds like Qua as in Quack) in province Kanchanaburi (pronounced Garn-chana- booree). Kwai means buffalo but has no relevance at all to the famous river near the "death railway". I guess westerners changed the name to Kwai to make it easier to pronounce but most Thais would have no idea what is being spoken of with wrong pronunciation. As a newbie to Thailand, taxis would misunderstand where I wanted to go, purely because I could not pronounce places properly.
If you tell the taxi to take you to Colonze, you have better pronounce it Co-lawn-SAY, or they will look baffled. And La Defense becomes Lar-day-fawng, Chao Phya 2 becomes Jao-Phra-Yar Song. Its all so tricky for a newbie.
I was once taken to the wrong place because I did not say "In-trar" when I wanted to go to the Indra Regent Hotel. I ended up at the Regent Hotel instead.
First time I asked a taxi to go to Henri Dunant road I had no idea it had to be pronounced: "Ang-ree-doo-nang". I don't know if this is close to the French way or not.
Maybe print a Map including Thai writing if you cannot say it the Thai way, although not sure that Thais can read Maps. LOL.
The most important one of all, there is a place called Pattaya, which does not sound at all like Pa-THAI-ya. It must be like Put-a-yar (Put rhymes with nut), and Phuket sounds like Poo-get.
What makes it all difficult is the English spellings for Thai places are often way off. Thais often spell person names into English in very silly ways too.
The ex prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva. His surname is actually sounding like Wait-char-chee-wa. In Thai อภิสิทธิ์ เวชชาชีวะ
There is no letter V sound in Thai language. Sukhumvit road is really Sukhumwit road.
Some guy recently reported his girl was called Van. Since English V sound does not exist in Thai, it probably should have been Waen which means "ring", a common Thai girls name.
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08-18-16 12:40 #8310
Posts: 12856Check Inn 99 (with the Philippean band) has relocated:
From 01 August 2016 edition of "The Midnight Hour":
"When the Check Inn 99 closed on July 2 (or the wee hours of July 3.) of this year, a new home had already been found on Soi 24. And for consistency's sake, it would be another (soft) merger. This time with the Admiral's Pub & Restaurant. And for consistency's sake, yet again, both signages may be found on entering. It will be interesting to see what the final signage will read. But you can take it to your bookie that it will have a "99" therein. ".
Also look here for pics of Chrome bar and Wood Bar (the new Dr. BJ frontages), (find "Chrome bar"):
http://www.bangkokeyes.com/
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08-17-16 18:34 #8309
Posts: 7Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
I have been with several girls at Nataree and all of them showed me a good smile, either before the session and after (when I gave them their tip, LOL). My experience is that I never had the impression to be with someone forced to stay there.
The investigations director of the "anti-traffic ing organization" who provided the audio recordings proving that the girls were "lured" into prostitution at Nataree, now is surely very happy that the women were fined and are lacking the full freedom to leave the detention center.
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08-17-16 17:47 #8308
Posts: 567Fr
Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
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08-17-16 15:14 #8307
Posts: 15815Originally Posted by Syzygies [View Original Post]
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08-17-16 11:07 #8306
Posts: 12856Nataree
I recall some "know it all" (I forget his handle just now) on the forum, well before the Nataree raids happened, rubbishing me, when I suggested that many girls there did not have full freedom to do what they like and that Traffic-ing was going on (and many non Thai girls), big time. I am only just catching up with the old news now, as was overseas not paying attention.
http://www.thephuketnews.com/five-br...rges-57836.php#BB1 WEjKTrAywZFVp. 97.
Apologies I could not find any really recent news popping up from a search.
Now I recall Mr. Ixgzca, saying these things were in the past, (on 18 july 2015 - I found it by search):
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1748265
Naturally I feel sorry for the girls caught up in this problem. Plenty of girls have the unfortunate problem of not being legal simply because they were not born in Thailand. Obviously the legal girls can just move to some other place to work. Let girls make an honest living, providing there are no pimps to control them.
I much prefer uncontrolled girls free to do whatever they want, free to turn up to work as little as they please, etc.
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07-17-16 11:53 #8305
Posts: 5Agree Pam is great
Originally Posted by Luvpuss [View Original Post]
Pam has new boobs now. No lb. YMMV but personally she takes care and is honest.
Definitely not Lb. PM me for latest details and photos. Could not upload.
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07-13-16 15:10 #8304
Posts: 1584Originally Posted by Blanquiceleste [View Original Post]
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07-10-16 18:55 #8303
Posts: 3042Rawlinson must be gay or some kind of preacher fanatic or both QUOTE=Intransit;1 l-pay-for-bad-things-weve-done-revelations-of-aussie-sex-tourists-.
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07-10-16 16:30 #8302
Posts: 1070'Do you think we'll pay for bad things we've done?' Revelations of Aussie sex tourist
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...3aa5a2c1547acd
'Do you think we'll pay for bad things we've done?' Revelations of Aussie sex tourists in Thailand.
July 4, 20166:59 pm.
Two Thai women working at a bar in the red light district in Bangkok, a popular destination for Australia sex tourists.
IT'S a warm Monday evening, and somewhere in southeast Asia an Australian man is about to enter a bar filled with beautiful young women.
Dan isn't ashamed to say that he's spent a lot of time in karaoke bars and red light districts around Thailand. After all, he's just one of many Western men doing the same thing.
But while Dan could be your average Australian sex tourist there's one thing that sets him apart; he's actually an undercover rescue worker, searching for [CodeWord902] girls and trafficking victims.
"It's a rough industry," he admits, as we talk of the girls he has seen rescued and the men who travel to Thailand to purchase them.
While the exact figures vary, research has shown Australian men to be among the largest contributors to sex tourism in southeast Asia, with cities such as Pattaya becoming a "home away from home" for an increasing number of Australian retirees.
However, despite being surrounded by beautiful beaches, cheap dining and endless sex, Dan says that many of the Western sex tourists he meets still feel like "something is missing".
"These men who've moved to Thailand, moved to Pattaya, moved to Bangkok, they've all got the same story," he says, sharing with me about the sex tourists and expats he's gotten to know over the years.
"They think coming to Thailand for sex is going to fill a void in their lives, so they pursue this dream — and then they realise that the lifestyle they've chosen is empty and meaningless. ".
Over the years Dan has spent time talking to many western sex tourists, many of whom — he says — seem to share a hauntingly universal story of broken relationships and regrets.
"At first they say, 'I get sex whenever I want, it's great!' But when you go a little bit deeper they always talk about their broken relationships, and how their marriage was the only one time that they felt true intimacy and love; that they could truly trust somebody," he reveals.
In particular, Dan remembers an Australian man who threw away his relationship back home to follow a lifestyle of freedom and pleasure in Thailand; a decision the man admitted was the 'biggest regret of his life. '.
"he tried everything to fill the void," says Dan. "Sex with young girls, sex with ladyboys, everything. And then one day he got to a point where he was like, 'what's next? What's left to try?
"I was sitting next to him, and out on the street in front of us were deaf girls, prostituting. He said: 'Hmm, deaf girls. Do you think they might be a good root?
It's easy to understand the emotional toll that such work takes on rescue workers and anti-trafficking staff like Dan, but it's a cause he says he never regrets leaving Australia for.
"Sometimes I wish that my calling was back in Australia, but there's a lot of hurt and broken girls that need assistance, and that's why I'm here," he says.
Sharing with me the impact that his work has had on him, Dan says that journeying into red light districts at times feels like he is entering the "most evil places on earth," but the joy that comes from helping young women inspires him to keep going.
"When we first meet them the girls they hate themselves. These girls were raped and abused, and now they feel that's all they're worth," he says. "So to see them loving life and thriving is what gets me off. ".
It's evident that Dan feels deeply for each of these girls, and his voice is often drenched with emotion as he talks about the damage done to young women at the hands of men looking to satisfy their own lust.
"Men pay for sex and then they leave; they don't journey with the girl," he says. "They don't see her crying in her room. They don't see the side I see after a rescue.
"The more men that have had sex with them, the harder it is and the less worth they feel. Lots of guys say 'they love it, they love this work. ' No, they don't," Dan says emotionally.
As I listen to Dan recount story after story, I wonder how a man so moved by justice can bear to speak to the men who purchase girls and women for sex. After all, many of the girls he has seen rescued were once raped and paid for by western sex tourists, men who Dan says excuse their behavior by claiming that they are helping the women.
"I feel like saying, 'if your daughter ended up in Thailand and didn't have any way to make money, and she was working in one of these bars, would you mind if I went and had sex with her? Would you see that as me helping her?
"They would do anything to get them out of there, but they justify it when it's a Thai girl," he says.
Incredibly however, for a man who has at times seen the worst of humanity, and heard every possible excuse, Dan can't help but feel sadness for the men he meets.
"Understandably, a lot of people in Australia, a lot of women, look at these men with bitterness and hatred and anger, but when you talk to these men, you realise the truth; that they're hurting men, they're lost men, they're men who've made decisions that have set them on a path of destruction," he explains.
"I remember one man asking, 'do you think after we die, we'll have to pay for all of these bad things that we've done? He recalls.
Recognising that each of these men are fighting their own battles does not mean that Dan condones their behavior, but rather, he understands that sex tourists need help to overcome their addictions — which in some cases, are killing them.
Over the past five years there have been many reports of Western men "obsessed with the Pattaya lifestyle" committing suicide from their hotel balconies; some of which have been caught on camera.
"Pattaya is meant to be the capital for men who want to move overseas for sex, but so many men commit suicide there," says Dan sadly.
"We were working with police and they showed us a video of a guy who threw himself off his balcony. They call it the 'Pattaya Plunge. '.
Discussions on the website 'Thai Visa' show that Western suicides are common, with many referring to the mysterious deaths as 'the Pattaya Flyers club. ' Some attribute the high rate of deaths to the region's wild and unsustainable lifestyle.
" . All the balcony jumpers is becoming all too frequent (sic)," says one user.
"Maybe after all it isn't paradise here, as some want us to believe?" says another.
It's an issue that has caught the attention of several organisations and ministry groups around Thailand such as Night Light International, and the MST Project, both of which aim to provide support to male sex tourists.
It's something that Dan agrees is well needed, not only to help men overcome their addictions, but to also help stop the damage done to young girls caught in the industry.
"I think if there were a group of men who went to the bars to meet these guys — not to preach at them — but to get alongside these men, to become mates with them and listen to their stories. That would definitely help," Dan says.
As we come to the end of our chat, I ask the rescue worker what he would say to these men if he could say anything; if he didn't have to hide who he was.
"If I could say everything and anything, I guess it would be: 'are you happy with who you've become, are you happy with this life?
"You can use all your skills and abilities to help people, not to take from them," he says.
"It's not too late to turn things around and become the man you're proud of. ".
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07-08-16 13:07 #8301
Posts: 1575Originally Posted by Wolvenvacht [View Original Post]
Separate thought. I wonder how this poor prince charming is doing now, rescuing a bar girl is hard work.