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[Franciscass]

How does that even make sense? If it is positive they can't just put them on a plane and throw them out of the country. And what about the 66 million Thai people that could have Covid? No mandatory test for them? What if the foreigner got his Covid from a Thai person? It is a human thing, not a foreign/Thai thing.

This came from a Richard Barrows tweet who is usually a reliable source. He included the accompanying notice which appeared in the Royal Gazette on December 25th so I am assuming it is correct but nowadays who knows what's real.

Like a lot of what goes on with immigration in Thailand the devil is in the detail and whether what's actually on the books get implemented or not.

For example if presumably it has to be a negative test taken within 72 hours before applying for renewal what happens if it is positive. In 72 hours without a renewal you are overstaying your visa and technically subject to deportation. Will they allow you to quarantine until you test negative.

[Detwing1]

On that topic, I should also say he is 50+ years old, non smoker, light drinker, not overweight at all, works out regularly and has no notable pre existing health conditions.

I'm in the same boat, except under 50. Absolutely don't need to lose the weight. That being said, my biggest fear was a false positive test.

Not sure if this is true, but I was told that if the COVID test comes back positive, it's best to tell the insurance company that you HAVE symptoms, even if you don't. It was said that if you do not have symptoms, the insurance company will refuse to pay for your hospital stay. Would be interesting to find out if this is true or not, although I wouldn't want to find out first hand.

[EihTooms]

All I can tell you, based on my experience. If you're looking to lose a little weight, 15 nights of ASQ will do the trick. They should use this as part of their advertising campaign.

LOL. Yes, that is what I said to him when I learned he was getting outside food delivered that might or might not be on their approved list. So you walk out 3 kilos lighter if you stick to the list! Not that he needs to lose any weight.

On that topic, I should also say he is 50+ years old, non smoker, light drinker, not overweight at all, works out regularly and has no notable pre existing health conditions.

[Detwing1]

My guess is the hotel does not know if they are helping to deliver food to someone with Covid-19 that has simply not yet shown up in a test and might be so far asymptomatic or not. So they must err on the side of utmost caution when it comes to food that might promote coughing as some milk products can or food that is not fresh or fully cooked in a way that might make someone sick anyway but especially sick if he is about to show up in a test with full blown Covid-19.

Food can be delivered. But only certain kinds of food on a list of approved items that apparently does not include pizza from wherever, barbecue ribs from here and there, boiled chicken or whatever when they don't know at what temperature or how long it sat out in the open air.

Remember, these ASQ hotels are in many ways stand ins for an actual hospital room and environmment, nurses on duty, assuming responsibility for 24 hour medical attention, if needed, what you are fed, how you are tested and so on.

I don't think it is so much about a fear of infection by or from a delivery process but more about what kind of food would or should be given to someone as if they were in a hospital bed and could show signs of a serious, potentially debilitating or deadly disease any minute.

All I can tell you, based on my experience. If you're looking to lose a little weight, 15 nights of ASQ will do the trick. They should use this as part of their advertising campaign.

[EihTooms]

I don't understand the rule disallowing outside food to be delivered. Surely it can be done safely without personal contact. It would help out the local restaurants and the hotels would still get the same rates.

My guess is the hotel does not know if they are helping to deliver food to someone with Covid-19 that has simply not yet shown up in a test and might be so far asymptomatic or not. So they must err on the side of utmost caution when it comes to food that might promote coughing as some milk products can or food that is not fresh or fully cooked in a way that might make someone sick anyway but especially sick if he is about to show up in a test with full blown Covid-19.

Food can be delivered. But only certain kinds of food on a list of approved items that apparently does not include pizza from wherever, barbecue ribs from here and there, boiled chicken or whatever when they don't know at what temperature or how long it sat out in the open air.

Remember, these ASQ hotels are in many ways stand ins for an actual hospital room and environmment, nurses on duty, assuming responsibility for 24 hour medical attention, if needed, what you are fed, how you are tested and so on.

I don't think it is so much about a fear of infection by or from a delivery process but more about what kind of food would or should be given to someone as if they were in a hospital bed and could show signs of a serious, potentially debilitating or deadly disease any minute.

[Kerrstar]

A 50+ year old friend of mine from Europe (I will skip some immaterial details, just in case, to better protect his privacy and others) who owns a condo in Bangkok and usually lived half the year here but who has been stuck outside of Thailand since last January was just about to finish his 14 day quarantine in a lower Sukhumvit area ASQ hotel when he tested positive.

You can still shed virus cells months after having the virus. One of the tennis players who can to Australia for the Open had covid in November and tested poitive just before his flight last week. He was still allowed in because it was just old cells shedding.

[Christian G]

I don't understand the rule disallowing outside food to be delivered. Surely it can be done safely without personal contact. It would help out the local restaurants and the hotels would still get the same rates.

A friend of mine is actually in quarantine at the Sunshine Garden Resort in Pattaya, first test on 3rd day and after that from forth day spend a lot of time around the garden / swimming pool (the hotel is almost empity) and no problem with food delivery from restaurant or friends.

[AggieDad1]

A 50+ year old friend of mine from Europe (I will skip some immaterial details, just in case, to better protect his privacy and others) who owns a condo in Bangkok and usually lived half the year here but who has been stuck outside of Thailand since last January was just about to finish his 14 day quarantine in a lower Sukhumvit area ASQ hotel when he tested positive.

No options, no alternative, he was immediately taken to a hospital on the outer edges of Bangkok where he will remain in quarantine and receive several more tests for at least another 10 days. And that is even if his very next test result is negative. The one he got at his hotel might have been a false positive, but that doesn't matter. I suppose the hospital can't know if the next negative test result he gets is a false result as well.

Anyway, a few things that might be pertinent, I don't know. He actually had Covid-19 months ago in Europe but recovered well enough to get all the negative test results he needed in order to qualify for his return visa and board a flight. And then he tested negative on arrival and throughout most of his stay in the hotel. Until day 12. He has not been vaccinated yet. He feels perfectly fine as of this writing about 36 hours after he tested positive at the hotel.

He also sort of "cheated" a little. I don't see how this could have been the reason he tested positive again. But, you never know. I'll explain it here anyway. He hated the food at his hotel. The rules allowed that he could get other food delivered to him but only by friends, not by a restaurant or other delivery service, and only certain kinds of food designated in the rules; certain canned goods, uncooked packaged items and so on. But he did manage to get a girlfriend to deliver hot cooked food items not necessarily on that list of allowed items from a local western restaurant. That one restaurant was an exception made for him by the hotel at his repeated request.

Personally, I would not have strayed from any of the rules and just stuck to it by the letter no matter how shitty the food was at that hotel. Oh well. His girlfriend never entered the hotel with the food. She would only hand the bag to a member of the staff and that person would leave it outside his door and return to the elevator.

On the assumption that his positive test at the hotel was not a false result and that he has indeed tested positive for coronavirus again the most logical conclusion is he got re-infected sometime around the time he got the 72-hour pre airport arrival test, the pre-flight test, the Bangkok arrival test in or around the airport, en route to his hotel or somehow when he first arrived at the hotel. I suppose he could have gotten it from someone at the hotel. But those people get tested often enough including the on duty nurses and, as far as he knows, none of them has tested positive for it.

I remember the story from a few years ago about a posable serial killer in Europe. The DNA of the killer turned up at several crime scenes. After awhile someone checked the swabs and they had been contaminated with the DNA of the lady who did the packaging.

[Allover]

He hated the food at his hotel. The rules allowed that he could get other food delivered to him but only by friends, not by a restaurant or other delivery service, and only certain kinds of food designated in the rules; certain canned goods, uncooked packaged items and so on. But he did manage to get a girlfriend to deliver hot cooked food items not necessarily on that list of allowed items from a local western restaurant. That one restaurant was an exception made for him by the hotel at his repeated request.

I don't understand the rule disallowing outside food to be delivered. Surely it can be done safely without personal contact. It would help out the local restaurants and the hotels would still get the same rates.

[Mr Enternational]

According to a document published in the Royal Gazette, the Immigration law for Section 12 (4) and Section 44 (2) is being changed to include the need for the foreigners to have a #COVID19 test done in order to stay in Thailand.

How does that even make sense? If it is positive they can't just put them on a plane and throw them out of the country. And what about the 66 million Thai people that could have Covid? No mandatory test for them? What if the foreigner got his Covid from a Thai person? It is a human thing, not a foreign/Thai thing.

[EihTooms]

A 50+ year old friend of mine from Europe (I will skip some immaterial details, just in case, to better protect his privacy and others) who owns a condo in Bangkok and usually lived half the year here but who has been stuck outside of Thailand since last January was just about to finish his 14 day quarantine in a lower Sukhumvit area ASQ hotel when he tested positive.

No options, no alternative, he was immediately taken to a hospital on the outer edges of Bangkok where he will remain in quarantine and receive several more tests for at least another 10 days. And that is even if his very next test result is negative. The one he got at his hotel might have been a false positive, but that doesn't matter. I suppose the hospital can't know if the next negative test result he gets is a false result as well.

Anyway, a few things that might be pertinent, I don't know. He actually had Covid-19 months ago in Europe but recovered well enough to get all the negative test results he needed in order to qualify for his return visa and board a flight. And then he tested negative on arrival and throughout most of his stay in the hotel. Until day 12. He has not been vaccinated yet. He feels perfectly fine as of this writing about 36 hours after he tested positive at the hotel.

He also sort of "cheated" a little. I don't see how this could have been the reason he tested positive again. But, you never know. I'll explain it here anyway. He hated the food at his hotel. The rules allowed that he could get other food delivered to him but only by friends, not by a restaurant or other delivery service, and only certain kinds of food designated in the rules; certain canned goods, uncooked packaged items and so on. But he did manage to get a girlfriend to deliver hot cooked food items not necessarily on that list of allowed items from a local western restaurant. That one restaurant was an exception made for him by the hotel at his repeated request.

Personally, I would not have strayed from any of the rules and just stuck to it by the letter no matter how shitty the food was at that hotel. Oh well. His girlfriend never entered the hotel with the food. She would only hand the bag to a member of the staff and that person would leave it outside his door and return to the elevator.

On the assumption that his positive test at the hotel was not a false result and that he has indeed tested positive for coronavirus again the most logical conclusion is he got re-infected sometime around the time he got the 72-hour pre airport arrival test, the pre-flight test, the Bangkok arrival test in or around the airport, en route to his hotel or somehow when he first arrived at the hotel. I suppose he could have gotten it from someone at the hotel. But those people get tested often enough including the on duty nurses and, as far as he knows, none of them has tested positive for it.

[Franciscass]

As my posts are subject to review by admin so don't appear for about a day after I send. I imagine this will already have appeared on the forum but on the off chance it hasn't.

According to a document published in the Royal Gazette, the Immigration law for Section 12 (4) and Section 44 (2) is being changed to include the need for the foreigners to have a #COVID19 test done in order to stay in Thailand. I imagine this will have to how negative to get the extension. Details as usual are unclear but worth keeping in mind when renewals are coming up.

[Banana Boi]

The golf resort will not be cheap. Think about you staying, eating, and playing golf at your local golf resort for 2 weeks. Green fee should be around 3000 baht per day and a lot more for accommodations and food. My conservative guess will be 100-150k for your quarantine depending on the course and accommodations.

On top of that Thailand is now charging a new 300 baht fee for every tourist that enters Thailand.

[TConor]

Not yet, project was approved but now they have to work with the Golfs to set the ASQ rules and regulations.

Yesterday Governor of Kanchanaburi has issued a statement to close hotels, some other provinces may follow.

https://t.co/jBenVfN0MX

How it compared to the highway robbery I had to pay for 2 weeks and could not leave my jail cell, I mean room.

[NicFrenchy]

Anyone know the prices?

Not yet, project was approved but now they have to work with the Golfs to set the ASQ rules and regulations.

Yesterday Governor of Kanchanaburi has issued a statement to close hotels, some other provinces may follow.

https://t.co/jBenVfN0MX