General Reports

[Rob Jones]

Hi guys.

I think everyone will have different opinions regarding this topic. I have been using one form or another of online apps and in the earlier days, 2000 to 2008 chat rooms to procure sex in Asian countries. Particularly in Indonesia where I didn't have time to go to clubs to find girls due to being with my wife. Back to the present regarding Thailand TF has a place in our hobby now. In my last 3 trips I have used it as well as beer bars and gogos to find partners. Where TF is handy is that if you are in your room say at 10 am and feel like a fuck you can have one there in 1/2 hour. Now we all know the downfall to online shopping is old pics and picture enhancing apps, so always video call before you seal the deal. If they don't want a call be wary and go to the next profile.

Earlier this month my brother secured about 12 girls from TF and I saw about 8 of them and they were all between 7 to 9's. He did try to pre book some before he arrived but was either ignored or told to contact when in Pattaya and when he did most came either within the hour or at the agreed time. Looking at it from a girls point of view why work stupid hours in a bar or gogo or stand for so many hours on Beach Road when you can be in the comfort of your own home or doing what needs to be done and still be capable of earning money.

The positive I have gotten out of it is meeting girls who are part time and in 1 occasion not P4 P and getting the real GFE.

I think as time goes by the cleverer girls will be doing more online and you will find that it will be the newer girls or girls indebted that will be working in the bars and gogos.

[Penguin69]

The recent posts on social media hookups versus traditional hook ups are interesting. In what follows, I realise there's also a lot of potential overlap too, especially referring to the social apps discussed.

I suppose I see three prongs to hooking up as a visitor.

First the traditional methods such as Gogos, BJ bars, FL locations street, Thermae and so on.

Second, social apps which are overtly used by girls offering services, such as wechat, which I've used before successfully, etc. You find someone, agree a price and service and they come over for an agreed time. I like this method especially as I don't like the crap and loud music in GoGos and their like, plus the idea of Bfs. Yes, I'm not in my 20 or 30's so this (loud bars) is now a factor for me.

Third, traditional dating apps such as Thai Cupid. These can possibly throw up a free lay with everything going well age, looks, game, rapport etc. But even then who's to know if a date isn't really partly gaming and going to expect some remuneration (even if it isn't asked for haven't folks here said they'd slip some baht into her purse to help out with the buffalo or whatever)?

If one is prepared to invest a lot of time (and maybe a few dating site subs) to groom the sweet popsies, which, ultimately, could be a blow out, why not save all this time and effort by just going route 1 if bars and traditional set ups are your thing (and who can say there's not a thrill for the occasional monger playing this game in the social environment?) Or route 2 and just select at the moment of need from wechat or similar location based services?

I can see that nurturing a contact over several days or weeks before contact can pay off, especially if she offers it up for free, and then becomes available for return visits when you're in town. What could be better, I'd say.

After all this, I still have come down hard in one category. I can forecast for my next visit to BKK my strategy will fall between route 1 and route 2.

[EihTooms]

See, now that does make sense. "Will you do bareback?" is the kind of product you can figure out even from an avatar, and so being an Online Monger, at least part time, makes perfect sense.

I wouldn't blurt it out quite that way. Not saying it wouldn't work. It just isn't how I have ever done it. At the very least I would add the qualifier "with me?" Why not at least assure her that I am not asking whether she will "do" bareback willy nilly with anyone who asks her to and that I recognize it might be something special she would do for certain men.

But, yes, that is a detail one can settle far more discretely in a private person-to-person chat on Line than in a Thermae lineup or in a noisy bar.

Again, my preferred method is to bring up my need to BB in order to finish while engaging in vaginal intercourse and the precautions I have taken in order to ensure some degree of safety AFTER we have video chatted for a few minutes about nothing other than Hi, How are you, Good to know you, You look great, We can text more now.

It is during the texting AFTER the video chat that I bring up my inability to finish wearing a condom. It is at that point where I am throwing myself on the mercy of the court, leaving it to her to accept it or not. Some will. Some won't.

[Kumbu]

I am not just looking for girls of a certain minimum attractiveness level and price point but women who are also willing to go bareback with me.

See, now that does make sense. "Will you do bareback?" is the kind of product you can figure out even from an avatar, and so being an Online Monger, at least part time, makes perfect sense.

It could be that other guys just click Interested on the more obvious FL profiles, write a quick message about hotel location, get a response in a few hours, decide on a price, time and done. In which case, the time and effort put into shopping is minimal. Do that with 20 of the most likely candidates on those sites, shot gun all of them at 10 am or whenever, wait, go about your day and you'll probably have a half dozen likely takers by 6PM. But that is only a guess on my part since I DO have enough time to devote to getting my particular requirement settled before I bother to set a time and place to meet.

Just reading this makes me want to take a nap. It seems like so much work. I suppose clubbing at 3 am is also tedious and exhausting, but I find it far more appealing than tapping on my phone for hours a day.

I know you (and I) are hoping for other posters' perspective on this. But, no, you are not missing something with regard to online dating and possible FL contact sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid. To find the diamond in the rough it might require much more time than a Travel Monger has to give it.

Thank you, we seem to be in agreement. It will be interesting to see if anyone has a different opinion.

[EihTooms]

It's a relatively new phenomenon this, the act of procuring Thai girls for sex through virtual means. I've never been a fan or a practitioner, but with the recent posts by Siamsin, Eihtooms and others, I'm beginning to wonder.

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But for me, I have always been hesitant to go that route for two major reasons. I would appreciate any thoughts you have on these reasons, and whether I am being overly cautious. Or am I right in avoiding the online hustle?

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Reason 1: Hassle.

Reason 2: Online shopping.

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So the thing about all that is that it sounds like a monumental time commitment. It sounds like a tedious process, fraught with potential pitfalls, and it just seems like an inefficient way to procure what is freely available otherwise. I'm not averse to hard work, quite the contrary. But I am averse to inefficient work, which is what this strikes me as. Can anyone dissuade me of that impression? Am I missing something?

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I know you (and I) are hoping for other posters' perspective on this. But, no, you are not missing something with regard to online dating and possible FL contact sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid. To find the diamond in the rough it might require much more time than a Travel Monger has to give it. However, that is my experience and in my case I am not merely looking to find a FL or "date" who will agree to meet me for a given price. In my case and prepared with what I feel are safer-than-most conditions (vasectomy, zero history of serious sex-related ailments in 45+ years of barebacking thousands of different women and at least a recent medical check document on hand), I am not just looking for girls of a certain minimum attractiveness level and price point but women who are also willing to go bareback with me. And on that latter count, I have found video chatting with the girl even for a minute before I bring up that detail works wonders to improve my acceptance rate. That is where more time is committed to chatting on the dating site enough to get their Line ID (many will give it on their first dating site email exchange), moving to Line and then getting her to agree to video chat "for 1 minute now just to say Hello?"

It could be that other guys just click Interested on the more obvious FL profiles, write a quick message about hotel location, get a response in a few hours, decide on a price, time and done. In which case, the time and effort put into shopping is minimal. Do that with 20 of the most likely candidates on those sites, shot gun all of them at 10 am or whenever, wait, go about your day and you'll probably have a half dozen likely takers by 6PM. But that is only a guess on my part since I DO have enough time to devote to getting my particular requirement settled before I bother to set a time and place to meet.

[Kumbu]

It's a relatively new phenomenon this, the act of procuring Thai girls for sex through virtual means. I've never been a fan or a practitioner, but with the recent posts by Siamsin, Eihtooms and others, I'm beginning to wonder. I looked through the pages of the venerable ISG, and I have not found a robust discussion of this facet of mongering in LOS (plenty of very useful reports, but not really a pros-and-cons kinds of discussion), and so I am hoping to get some insights from you all.

I may be wrong, but I think this wave of online activity of finding freelancers has really come into its own in the last 2 years. It was around before, sure, probably since 2010 or so, but it really wasn't a major thing. In the last 2 years, I think a lot of girls have developed a presence on some of the major apps, they all make use of Line, and they make a good side hustle out of it. And so where the gazelles migrate, so go the lions. For example, reports such as this abound here at ISG:

Been having a very good success rate getting LINE ID's from Thai Friendly

But for me, I have always been hesitant to go that route for two major reasons. I would appreciate any thoughts you have on these reasons, and whether I am being overly cautious. Or am I right in avoiding the online hustle?

To make this work, I need to set up a dichotomy, which is undoubtedly false, but let's do it anyway. Let's just assume, for the sake of this discussion, that there are two kinds of mongers in LOS: the Traditional Monger (TM) and the Online Monger (OM). It should be said that I am imagining this from a visitor's perspective, not an expat's perspective. For the expat, I think being both an OM and a TM makes a whole lot of sense. But it's the traveling monger that I am considering.

The TM is the guy who operates as mongers have since the invention of the pussy and cock: they arrive in LOS, they go to a gogo bar, club, Suk soi 4, soapy, massage parlor, etc. , find a cutie that rings their bell, boinks said cutie, pays up and saunters off in search of noodles and a beer. You know, the regular thing.

The OM, on the other hand, is the guy who starts early (weeks, months before arrival in LOS), cultivating individual avatars on various sites in preparation for arrival in LOS. They are avatars at this point because all you know about them is what they construct online for you to see, so they are not the real thing. They are a virtual representation of something real. Upon arrival, the OM calls in the chips from those avatars one by one, and slowly works down his list of preferred options. When the avatar transforms into a real human being (they meet in real life), the OM has to either follow through with sex+money, or find an elegant way to bail. And if bail is the option, he needs to go down the list of avatars until he finds the right human being. Not to mention individual names here at ISG, but I think we can all identify those that fit into one model or the other. There are, of course, many who do both, and I think this latter group are the ones who can probably respond to this query the best.

So with that typology of mongers established, here are the reasons I hesitate to make the shift from TM to OM (or a mix of the two).

Reason 1: Hassle.

Reason 2: Online shopping.

Hassle

From all I have read about how to make the Thai Friendly or Thai Cupid (or whatever) route work, it seems like you need to put in a lot of work. You need to have a reasonable profile, carefully worded to make clear what you want, and then you have to spend time trolling through dozens of profiles. It sounds like you get lots and lots of hits, and the key to making this plan work is to sift through all the pebbles and find the emeralds hiding within.

Even then, once you find a few of those emeralds, you need to cultivate them. You need to strike up conversations, and get a feel for each one of them, and then make arrangements.

Eihtooms, Siamsin and others have given really nice descriptions of how to do this, and to you all I am indebted.

So the thing about all that is that it sounds like a monumental time commitment. It sounds like a tedious process, fraught with potential pitfalls, and it just seems like an inefficient way to procure what is freely available otherwise. I'm not averse to hard work, quite the contrary. But I am averse to inefficient work, which is what this strikes me as. Can anyone dissuade me of that impression? Am I missing something?

Online Shopping

Remember when no one believed Amazon would work? When everyone was skeptical that people would buy anything online other than books? Now, in 2019, I buy all kinds of shit online, but I only buy things that don't need personal assessment: books, hair gel, Go Pro cameras, cereal, etc. I buy clothes and shoes, but only from brands that I know will fit me. Size 9 shoes from one brand is not the same as size 9 shoes from another. And if you want to try something new, you really need to try it on in person. Alternatively, you can buy something new online, knowing that you may well have to create shipping labels, make the trip to the UPS store and send it back for a refund. Translation: hassle.

So with girls, when I pick up girls in LOS, whether in a gogo bar, a soapie, a night club or off the street, I'm not looking for a vagina. They all have vaginas, so that is a given. What differentiates vagina 1 from vagina 2 are all accoutrements: shape of her legs, hips-to-waist ratio, flab on the belly, liveliness of her skin tone, the bounce in her gait, quality of her finger nails, etc. These are the kinds of things one cannot gauge online, since they are issues of personal fit. The analogy seems absurd now, but it's like a size 9 shoe: not all size 9 shoes fit me properly.

How does one figure out all those other things when interacting with a carefully manicured avatar? How can I tell if the details of her physique will live up to my needs? Perhaps I am being too picky, but that's my concern.

So TM I am, no question about it. But reading the posts on ISG (especially the recent ones), it seems like I might be missing something very substantial with the online scene. Guys, help get this luddite up to speed, please. I have less than two weeks before I hit the dirty streets of Sukhumvit. Should I take the plunge with online mongering options, or should I hold steady to my old ways?

[Sunlover2]

Considering the upcoming general elections in Thailand I wonder if there would be any restrictions / closures of gogos / bars or crackdown on FLs / street walkers. I have a trip planned from 3rd. March for a fortnight. I don't know whether I should postpone it.

I think you should be ok. The election is scheduled for Sunday March 24th, and I can't imagine a nightlife and / or alcohol ban being imposed for more than a week. Close though.

SL.

[Mumbai Guy]

Considering the upcoming general elections in Thailand I wonder if there would be any restrictions / closures of gogos / bars or crackdown on FLs / street walkers. I have a trip planned from 3rd. March for a fortnight. I don't know whether I should postpone it.

[Syzygies]

This report is quite old and Som's haven have changed their name. I'm not sure of the new name I think it's phra phong but the location is opposite to Terminal 21 in this link https://www.stickboybkk.com/bars/som...name-location/ I tried woods bar soi Sukhumvit 7/1 few times now but this seems better in all ways.

Just walk in you get to select the girl picked a girl went up to the room, you can change over to a robe. Then to washroom to clean your tool then you can either sit on the couch or lay down on the bed. Very professional and these girls know how to handle and how to please. It's not just stick it in your mouth and up down motion, the tongue swirling and vacuum and not a feel of the teeth.

Damage 800 baht.

They cannot use Phra in a name because that is a religious word meaning Monk or Buddha image / statue. Ha ha.

Changed both Name and Location. Soi 14 is under redevelopment so moved from there. So it is not quite opposite to Terminal 21, that is a bit misleading. Lucky you link to the info. Duang-porn's Haven. No clue if Som has anything to do with it or not.

[MadMaxy2011]

This report is quite old and Som's haven have changed their name. I'm not sure of the new name I think it's phra phong but the location is opposite to Terminal 21 in this link https://www.stickboybkk.com/bars/som...name-location/ I tried woods bar soi Sukhumvit 7/1 few times now but this seems better in all ways.

Just walk in you get to select the girl picked a girl went up to the room, you can change over to a robe. Then to washroom to clean your tool then you can either sit on the couch or lay down on the bed. Very professional and these girls know how to handle and how to please. It's not just stick it in your mouth and up down motion, the tongue swirling and vacuum and not a feel of the teeth.

Damage 800 baht.

[EihTooms]

I've been meaning to try the airport rail link from Phaya Tai BTS to / from Suvarnabhumi. Not so much to save a bit of money on taxi fare rather than to save time in Bangkok traffic as ET also mentioned. Croc, thanks for the heads up about going to Makkasan MRT instead.

Just as a followup in case this is a concern for anyone. I can understand why someone who has never given it a try would be spooked about getting off the Airport Link Railway at the Lat Krabang station rather than going all the way into the Airport, one more station, to get a taxi to Pattaya. But there really are tons of taxis parked and cruising through the ground level parking lot area right at the bottom of the escalator at the Lat Krabang station. And it is closer to the expressway than the Aiport.

It has been decades since I got a taxi to Pattaya from inside Suvarnabhumi Airport, so I don't know if today there is a queue, a chaotic onslaught of taxi touts or a half mile of concourse to pass through before you get from the Airport Link Railway station inside the airport to where the taxis are. But the Lat Krabang station has none of that. You just go down the escalator or steps and taxis are pretty much all over the place. I have never had other travelers jump ahead of me to flag one over and never seen a line waiting to book one. Unless I hear of a reason I hadn't considered to go all the way into the Airport to get a taxi to Pattaya instead of hopping off the train at Lat Krabang station to get one, I would probably never go all the way into the Airport to get one instead.

It also crossed my mind that IF I did have a problem getting a taxi to Pattaya at the Lat Krabang station for some reason, it would be easy enough to just get back on the next train and go one more station into the Airport to get one anyway. But in the three times I've gone this way, it has not been a problem.

[Sunlover2]

Tuesday 2/19 is a religious holiday in Thailand. I believe it will be 'dry' day, meaning most bars will close midnight on the 18th, and *might* open at midnight on the 19th. Some venues will skirt the law by serving you drinks on the down low. Package outlets like 7-11 will not sell alcohol in observance of the hoiday. There is already a notice up at Foodland saying as much.

Usually hotels who cater to the tourist trade will still serve alcohol, otherwise a quiet time. Plan accordingly.

SL.

[Breadman]

That's a great suggestion. For those of who are not into haggling with taxis, there's also a direct bus from the airport (level right above Airport Link) to Pattaya. Costs 120 baht and goes every hour, though sometimes it gets full and you have to wait for the next one. Taking the Airport Link shaves off 30-40 min off the bus journey as well compared to Ekamai. As a bonus, that bus stops at Central Road, Pattaya South road, or Jomtien (last stop), so you can avoid the leeches at the North Pattaya bus terminal. Last time they had the gall to ask 100 baht for a shared songtaew, which is 10 baht elsewhere. I find the Jomtien station (on Thapphraya Rd, near Thep Prasit Rd interection) more convenient when going back as well.

In addition, if you're closer to Asoke than Nana, taking the MRT from Sukhumvit station up to Phetchaburi (only 1 stop), and then boarding the Airport Link at Makkasan is slightly faster than going to Phaya Thai.

I'll have a wingman so the taxi cost will be split in half. Taking the BTS doubles that price for two people.

[Banana Boi]

I've been meaning to try the airport rail link from Phaya Tai BTS to / from Suvarnabhumi. Not so much to save a bit of money on taxi fare rather than to save time in Bangkok traffic as ET also mentioned. Croc, thanks for the heads up about going to Makkasan MRT instead.

[Crocodilexp]

Ride the BTS train from BTS Nana to BTS Phya Thai, the BTS station that intersects with the Airport Link Railway. Then ride the Airport Link Railway to the Lat Krabang station. Don't ride it all the way into Suvarnabhumi Airport. At Lat Krabang station there will be dozens of taxis available to take you directly to your Pattaya hotel.

That's a great suggestion. For those of who are not into haggling with taxis, there's also a direct bus from the airport (level right above Airport Link) to Pattaya. Costs 120 baht and goes every hour, though sometimes it gets full and you have to wait for the next one. Taking the Airport Link shaves off 30-40 min off the bus journey as well compared to Ekamai. As a bonus, that bus stops at Central Road, Pattaya South road, or Jomtien (last stop), so you can avoid the leeches at the North Pattaya bus terminal. Last time they had the gall to ask 100 baht for a shared songtaew, which is 10 baht elsewhere. I find the Jomtien station (on Thapphraya Rd, near Thep Prasit Rd interection) more convenient when going back as well.

In addition, if you're closer to Asoke than Nana, taking the MRT from Sukhumvit station up to Phetchaburi (only 1 stop), and then boarding the Airport Link at Makkasan is slightly faster than going to Phaya Thai.