General Reports

[PedroMorales]

I went an FKK once, not my thing! Yes the germans are very organized! Achtung! You will get hard now! Place tool here! Pump 27 1/2 times! Finish! Pay! Next! (not true but my imagination says it could be).

In Mexico, you've a guy with a baseball bat bangs on the door to tell you your time is up.

[Crocodilexp]

When I have been in a plane to and from Thailand it has never been full of mongers... Maybe 1% mongers come to Thailand and 99% of everybody else.

Fully agree with that. For those who want to see what a plane full of mongers actually looks like, check out the Cebu Pacific flight from Bangkok to Clark (Angeles City). I took it a few years back and it was over 50% obvious mongers. No flight to Thailand I ever took (regional or long-haul) has ever been anywhere close, and 1% is a reasonable estimate, maybe 2% to be generous.

It's unsurprising people on this site would overestimate the number and importance of mongers (birds of a feather), but these days we're a drop in the bucket for the Thai tourism numbers and spending. As Goatscrot said, maybe significant to Pattaya, but not anywhere else.

[Gargano19]

I remember about 10 years ago when China had a very active P4 P scene. It was centered in southern China in CP and CA. Mostly KTV places with hundreds of girls to choose from. Massage places (not my preference) and almost anything else you can imagine, but not so much "in your face" as Thailand. However it was quite an experience that I got to do a couple of times before the new president and crackdown. The cities were booming, taxi's going night and day, hundreds of restaurants, close golf courses, streets full of people night and day. In other words a real fun time! Then the crack down-streets empty--Restaurants closed--no taxi's running around--hotels empty--in other words, DEAD. It could happen to Thailand also.

Well China was never known as mongering location even 10-20 years ago. China always had many other growing sectors, and tourism was never China's focus, even when it hosted Olympics. Thailand is still very dependent on tourism, mongering or non-mongering, they would never do something similar.

[MeatMan]

Speaking of Pattaya as fishing village, I was there in the middle 60's. Nothing there! Stayed at the Chairman of the Thai Senate's home. The only bar I remember was up on a hill (If you were standing on the beach, back to the sea, it was up on the hill to the left but not close. But of course, after 60 years my memory my not be perfect. I remember there was talk of some retired Air Force Officer building a Hotel.

I often see pictures and clips of Pattaya of what it was like in the '60's. It looked very quiet and serene for a fishing village. All hell broke loose when servicemen started going to Pattaya for R&R. I wonder who was the guy or guys who started that ball rolling?. Mind you, this was way before my time. I was born in '67.

[MrClen]

I prefer German FKKs over all else but I don't see them opening anytime in the near or even not so near future. Germans are very organized and disciplined and businesses will be opened on a slow phased basis with FKKs and brothels being the very last. Thailand's flesh pots will be up and running long before Germany's.

I went an FKK once, not my thing! Yes the germans are very organized! Achtung! You will get hard now! Place tool here! Pump 27 1/2 times! Finish! Pay! Next! (not true but my imagination says it could be).

[MrClen]

You know, the question I have asked myself many times over the years is why DO these non mongers spend the money, fly so many hours and go through the language and culture hassles to come to Thailand.

I get that vacationing families come to sight see, check out the Grand Palace, gawk at a temple or two, eyeball some amazing shopping malls and such. Maybe a trip to the crocodile farm, elephant ride and the floating market. But you can check all those boxes in 2 days. Then what?

I understand Bangkok is usually the top #1 or #2 visited city on Earth, usually competing with London for the top spot. But isn't much of that the result of it being a major airport hub pass through city? And many people who are on their way to another Asian destination decide, what the hell, might as well stay a night or two in Bangkok as long as I need to fly in anyway? And for that reason as well there might be business opportunities or meetings here.

Seriously, I can't think of one reason I would recommend a single man or a group of single men to fly 24+ hours on a plane to get to Bangkok or Thailand in general if it weren't for the girls and P4P action here. To shop in fabulous malls? Ride an elephant? Feed a crocodile frozen chicken parts? Visit a temple? You can do that stuff anywhere. IF you would even want to, that is. Why bother to go all the way to Thailand to do it other than to say you did?

I remember about 10 years ago when China had a very active P4 P scene. It was centered in southern China in CP and CA. Mostly KTV places with hundreds of girls to choose from. Massage places (not my preference) and almost anything else you can imagine, but not so much "in your face" as Thailand. However it was quite an experience that I got to do a couple of times before the new president and crackdown. The cities were booming, taxi's going night and day, hundreds of restaurants, close golf courses, streets full of people night and day. In other words a real fun time! Then the crack down-streets empty--Restaurants closed--no taxi's running around--hotels empty--in other words, DEAD. It could happen to Thailand also.

[Gargano19]

But it is easy to estimate. My figure was based on being on plenty of flights in and out of Bangkok. Look around. The plane holds 150 to 200 people. I am one monger. Sometimes there are 1 or 2 more at best. The rest of the people are mostly families and young couples. Even older couples. There may be some single young ladies coming home to see family. A couple of businessmen.

3 mongers/150 people= 2%. It sure as heck is not 20%, 10%, or even 5% for that matter. What is the makeup of people on the flights other people are on?

3 mongers /150? Few of my flights.

1. From Tokyo to bkk, plane was full of young guys (early 20's to late) and old alone dudes. I'd say 30-40%. And I have seen that ratio a few times.

2. From Delhi to bkk, lots of groups of guys, and ofcourse families too. But still not 3 out of 150, not even close.

3. Singapore and Hong Kong where I have travelled a lot last year, planes are full of Single man (not with anyone, don't know about their relationship status). I'd say 30%. Now how many of them are mongers and how many are here for business reasons (and both ofcourse), no one can tell by just looks.

4. Berlin, all they talk about in plane is about nana and walking street LOL, don't get me started. Obviously exaggerating about "all", but you got my point.

Never been to middle east, so can't comment about there flight demographics, bur maybe others can shed some light.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

But it is easy to estimate. My figure was based on being on plenty of flights in and out of Bangkok. Look around. The plane holds 150 to 200 people. I am one monger. Sometimes there are 1 or 2 more at best. The rest of the people are mostly families and young couples. Even older couples. There may be some single young ladies coming home to see family. A couple of businessmen.

3 mongers/150 people= 2%. It sure as heck is not 20%, 10%, or even 5% for that matter. What is the makeup of people on the flights other people are on?

Bangkok is also a very important air transit platform. For other places in Thailand or elsewhere in Asia or the Pacific. Not all passengers on a flight to Bangkok go to Pattaya finaly. Pattaya is a destination with a particular and specific theme. There may be a greater representation of men who come alone than in other places. I think 2% is a largely underestimated proportion. It is true that it is difficult to establish this ratio. But a fairer calculation, even an approximate one, would be more credible for example by taking the number of single men in hotels and condos at Pattaya. If the 3 mongers of all the planes arriving at BKK go to Pattaya and the other passengers in another place we will quickly have a large concentration of mongers in the same place. And there I think that their proportion would be very much higher than in an airplane.

Fair calculation based on personal observation

[Gargano19]

If the entertainment places close, it is likely that Korean, Japanese, Indian and Farang singles will never return.

100% correct. If ever the entertainment places close down, asians, indiams, Farangs have no point to come. There will be Indian families who will come during summer break of their kids because of ease of coming here, there will very old Chinese / Japs group tours who will still come for sake of holiday to new country which is not far and still somewhat culturally similar. Farangs I see no point for them to come here, unless they want to teach English LOL.

[MrClen]

I would agree mongers who come to play as a percentage of overall tourists has fallen but I feel the sex industry is still a significant component of the hospitality segment. Estimates of the numbers of Thais employed or free lancing in the business vary widely but it certainly runs into the hundreds of thousands. Pattaya may not look like the old days as it transformed from a fishing village to an destination for GI'S on leave but I would hazard a guess there are more girls working there now than 20 years ago.

Speaking of Pattaya as fishing village, I was there in the middle 60's. Nothing there! Stayed at the Chairman of the Thai Senate's home. The only bar I remember was up on a hill (If you were standing on the beach, back to the sea, it was up on the hill to the left but not close. But of course, after 60 years my memory my not be perfect. I remember there was talk of some retired Air Force Officer building a Hotel.

[Turgid]

.............. Once the COVID ends my first trip will be to the Germany FKK clubs before Thailand. Now whether or not the Germany FKK clubs will ever reopen again is another debate.

I prefer German FKKs over all else but I don't see them opening anytime in the near or even not so near future. Germans are very organized and disciplined and businesses will be opened on a slow phased basis with FKKs and brothels being the very last. Thailand's flesh pots will be up and running long before Germany's.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

None of us have actual number of what percentage of tourists come here are mongers. But it's way higher than 1%. Like ET said, there's no point it coming to Thailand, Bangkok / pattaya which are polluted af and have huge traffic problem. There are way more exotic locations just around Thailand, both from cultural and scenery perspective.

If the entertainment places close, it is likely that Korean, Japanese, Indian and Farang singles will never return.

Tourist buses (Chinese, others, etc.), even if they are numerous, probably not stay more than one maybe two days in Pattaya. They do parasailing and floating bananas once during the day and visit its sulphurous reputation even if they do not fit in the gogos. Walking and taking selfies in Walking Street to post them on Facebook or Instagram is enough for them. And they go on in Thailand. If WS no longer exists, the interest of the city does not exist either.

I would be curious to see the business plan that bets only on family tourists in Pattaya.

[Mr Enternational]

None of us have actual number of what percentage of tourists come here are mongers. But it's way higher than 1%.

But it is easy to estimate. My figure was based on being on plenty of flights in and out of Bangkok. Look around. The plane holds 150 to 200 people. I am one monger. Sometimes there are 1 or 2 more at best. The rest of the people are mostly families and young couples. Even older couples. There may be some single young ladies coming home to see family. A couple of businessmen.

3 mongers/150 people= 2%. It sure as heck is not 20%, 10%, or even 5% for that matter. What is the makeup of people on the flights other people are on?

[Pimpampoumpipo]

How many of you guys would return to Bangkok / Pattaya if there were no more bars, gogo bars, FL's, or FS massage joints. Online sex like TF still available but not at a low enough price to offset your plane tickets and hotel.

The only reason I appreciate Pattaya is the number and ease of finding girls in the gogos, bars and massage shops.

What will remain of Pattaya if they are destroyed? A sad city with buildings with swimming pools and fitness rooms with little interest even for passing tourists. In 1 day maximum I toured tourist attractions around. The beach is not attractive and is polluted, even activities such as diving are not attractive, everything that made the charm of Pattaya from the time when it was still a fishing village has been re-urbanized in any way.

Pattaya's urban plan was to concrete everywhere, difficult to find few places to relax, even the beach promenade is nondescript. Shopping centers have no interest, as long as going to spend my holidays in a city in Asia I prefer 100 times more Hong Kong or Singapore.

If I project myself only as a family vacationer, it's not in a city like where I will spend my vacation. Quite to come in the tropics, I prefer to go to places with beaches and nature that make me dream and really change my scenery.

*There are many much better places in Thailand (Phuket, Koh Tao, Koh Samet, Krabi.), the Philippines or elsewhere.

As for replacing them with Tinder or Thaifriendly, the choice is most often disappointing, as the photos and descriptions often do not correspond to reality.

[MrClen]

Well, I will be 67 years old soon. This week as it is virtually every week I need to figure out which slim, fit, cute, clean, non skanky, non drugged out, sweet demeanor, shaved pussy 20 something year old Thai girl I will agree to have come stay with me all night for Real Sex or a CIM (usually + Swallow) Blowjob or both and which night for less than $75 USD per Long Time and often much less than $60 USD in the heart of what ordinarily is a ridiculously comfortable major city.

Granted, the fact that I live here contributes to my dilemma in choosing among a half dozen different girls off the top of my head for which night and in which order. But I know holiday guys, old ones like me, who come here for a week or two at a time and they are often faced with the same dilemma within a day or two.

I can't say any of us think the action we get and the type of girls we get it with anywhere other than perhaps 1-2 other places on Earth, and certainly not our home countries, is anywhere near what we get in Bangkok.

Could we fuck chicks anywhere? Sure. But that's like saying we could sit in a shopping cart and get pushed around a gravel driveway anywhere. Or we could go to Disney World at a super discount price for a somewhat better amusement park experience 😁.

Well, I am 79 and 80 in a few months. I do all my playing in China. Lived in BK during Nam, different time then. I go to China and have a regular set up for the night I arrive, another regular for the next night, then out to KTV on Saturday night and pick a new one or even two. Then go from there to figure out who, when, where. Work schedule and business meetings and dinners have to be in the schedule, but never lonely.