General Reports

[Banana Boi]

Your Bruce Lee friend should count himself lucky having been let in. Such discriminatory door policies are rare in Germany, mostly confined to entertainment places (sex and discos).

He was with me and I was pretty close with door girl Heidi/Monika since she was one of my regular girls. Asians do not have problems getting in to Goldentime. There are tons of them in there. Only time I saw an Asian turned away is because he looked like a gangbanger. Blacks and Indians have almost zero chance of getting in. Even dark skinned Europeans have issues. Definitely no Turks. Germans and Dutch who can't get in have been blackballed.

I personally get along great with German men. Not so much Dutch men.

[MonkeyPaw]

Pattaya closing down. Even swimming pools. Pisses me off no end. I nearly got a nervous break-down in February jumping the hoops to get back to Thailand in March. Three weeks after I got out of my 16-day quarantine, entertainments venues were ordered shut. Three weeks' mongering is what I got for all my trouble.

If Europe was not 2 months behind the US with vaccination I would fly back now, get my jabs, and see where I can travel next.

You did get to have a cheap lunch with Monkeypaw. That alone should be worth your troubles. LOL.

[XXL]

I didn't just randomly make up my post. I was in Germany with an Asian American who had racial slurs flung his way and over 60 Germans calling him "Bruce Lee" and making kung fu hand movements. He's not even Chinese! This happened at GT. Pretty sure this isn't being treated with equality and dignity.

At Golden Times? Not exactly a German place. 80% of the patrons non-Germans. But GT had its own arbitrary door policy. Even Germans regularly got turned away from what I read. I never was, though noticeably not looking like a Northern type. Maybe because I drove an upper mid-size car. Your Bruce Lee friend should count himself lucky having been let in. Such discriminatory door policies are rare in Germany, mostly confined to entertainment places (sex and discos).

[Banana Boi]

Uh ... yes they are.

I didn't just randomly make up my post. I was in Germany with an Asian American who had racial slurs flung his way and 60+ year old Germans calling him "Bruce Lee" and making kung fu hand movements. He's not even Chinese! This happened at GT. Pretty sure this isn't being treated with equality and dignity.

Pattaya closing down. Even swimming pools. Pisses me off no end.

A risk we all need to take into account when we decide to travel anywhere. The world is in lockdown now. It may not change any time soon. I almost went to Germany earlier this year when there was a small window to go. Decided not to since I thought FKK clubs may shut down soon. Luckily I didn't go because a week later FKK clubs closed and still have not reopened.

[XXL]

... Think of how a Thai man is treated in Germany. I'm certain they aren't treated as an equal by the Germans.

Uh ... yes they are. Any Thai will pay the same price to visit museums etc as Germans pay, the reverse would be in violation of EU law and have the media up in arms. Any Thai involved in a road accident will be considered by police and the courts as "Party A or B". If the Thai national was the wronged party or the one who was involved in the accident through no fault of their own, the case will be decided against the German guy (even if the German guy is a big shot in government or industry). Happens all the time in Europe. This doesn't mean that (especially local) police can't be prejudiced in favour of local people sometimes, but this is frowned upon and there's no bias culture against foreigners. What there is is a systemic bias in favour of wymmyns (Thai or not) in family law and criminal law, like everywhere in the West.

Pattaya closing down. Even swimming pools. Pisses me off no end. I nearly got a nervous break-down in February jumping the hoops to get back to Thailand in March. Three weeks after I got out of my 16-day quarantine, entertainments venues were ordered shut. Three weeks' mongering is what I got for all my trouble.

If Europe was not 2 months behind the US with vaccination I would fly back now, get my jabs, and see where I can travel next.

[AmPervert]

To date, the list is over 100 venues (and growing)

It looks like it is all closing down again if I read correctly. Pattaya is a red zona as of Apr 30th.

[Sunlover2]

Which country would that be?

https://internationalliving.com/the-...ces-to-retire/

SL.

[Banana Boi]

Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.

Which country would that be? Scratch all of Asia off your list if you are a Farang. No matter where you go in the world you will be viewed as a foreigner unless of course your ancestors are Spanish and you decide to retire in Spain. Think of how a Thai man is treated in Germany. I'm certain they aren't treated as an equal by the Germans.

[Mr Enternational]

Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.

You would let someone steal your joy that easily? There has not been a day that I have been walking around Thailand or anyplace else on this planet worrying about how other people were viewing me. You can probably bet that in all places you would go someone is going to view you in some kind of way. Why even worry about it. Mind your own business and make your own fun instead of allowing others to be in charge of your dignity. To me Thailand has always been about people being themselves. We have some strange characters walking around Pattaya and I like that they can just be themselves.

[Sunlover2]

Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.

This put a fork in it for me: https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/t...t-dirty-farang.

SL.

[MonkeyPaw]

Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.

To date, the list is over 100 venues (and growing) named including well known spots frequented by foreigners like Soi 6 bars, Banglamung Police Station, Jomtien Immigration, Walking Street clubs, and LK Metro. Eventually it will be the entire Pattaya. It's pretty ridiculous because I don't see Bangkok putting out an extensive list like this. If you think about contact tracing on an infected person, even an asymptomatic (but still infected or not), it's pretty impossible to do exponentially. Is it just me that hits up 7-11 three times a day, but I don't see that on a list, WTF? They have even listed Sugar Baby Agogo which I don't even remember opening and same with that Ice Bar with the Polar Bear as well. My thoughts is this is a ploy to blame those who frequent entertainment venues (foreigners mainly), so that they can socially pressure them (us) into coming in and paying 3,800 baht for a COVID test. I even asked some the Thai workers whose jobs are at a few of the named places and they aren't getting COVID tests unless they are showing symptoms (at least the smart ones). But they want the foreigner to come in no matter what, sick or not. All the while, Kite Festival was going on and locals flocked to Koh Larn. Shifting blame seems to be the popular thing with those in charge. Farrangs, gamblers, migrants, and now those who enjoy entertainment are in the spotlight. You would have to test yourself multiple times in the span of 2 weeks to have some real assurance you aren't positive. This isn't syphilis we are talking about. With the threat of quarantine, I think they are scaring people into a self lockdown, without saying "lockdown." Just the same with they won't say "curfew" but all businesses closed between 11 pm-4 am. Now I feel like Anne Frank. Imagine if the local people ever got really educated here in Thailand.

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/04/1...ovid-19-cases/

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...Gh?usp=sharing

[DazeUp]

Like it isn't obvious to what they are trying to do. Last year this time, 50 cases a day, everything is locked down, and curfew. Fast forward one year, 1500 cases a day. Only entertainment venues closed. Festivals going on and everything else open and suddenly the migrant workers are all clear and clean. They are targeting now. How desperate do they need foreign dollars?

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/04/1...fq2dNNEKNpbn80

What's next? Have the Thai locals point out where all the tourists and foreigners are hiding?

Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.

[MonkeyPaw]

Like it isn't obvious to what they are trying to do. Last year this time, 50 cases a day, everything is locked down, and curfew. Fast forward one year, 1500 cases a day. Only entertainment venues closed. Festivals going on and everything else open and suddenly the migrant workers are all clear and clean. They are targeting now. How desperate do they need foreign dollars?

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/04/1...fq2dNNEKNpbn80

What's next? Have the Thai locals point out where all the tourists and foreigners are hiding?

[DazeUp]

Some people know what they're talking about.

Sometimes I mention the tip before hand though. "If you do a good job I'll tip you. " And I let her take it from there. It usually ends up in good service, but you can't really prove it's because of the tip because she might have preformed that way anyway.

A promise of additional money for specific service beforehand is NOT a tip. It's an upsell. No idea why people insist on using "a tip" as a euphemism, but it's no more a tip than "un petit cadeau" given to a corrupt official to get out of trouble is a genuine heartfelt gift. Now, there's nothing wrong with negotiating before the session, some guys need to be clear on services provided (especially if it's something non-standard like A+) but let's call it for what it is.

However, negotiating / offering extra money for what should be services (like BBBJ, DFK, DATY) encourages the worst of behaviors in the girls. The a-la-carte sex is one of the most depressing aspects of paid sex, sadly common across the world. One major reason why people go to places like Thailand or The Philippines is precisely to avoid that, and have some illusion of a smooth sex session, rather than having to fight for every single thing, including taking off the bra.

[PinkPearl]

A promise of additional money for specific service beforehand is NOT a tip. It's an upsell. No idea why people insist on using "a tip" as a euphemism, but it's no more a tip than "un petit cadeau" given to a corrupt official to get out of trouble is a genuine heartfelt gift. Now, there's nothing wrong with negotiating before the session, some guys need to be clear on services provided (especially if it's something non-standard like A+) but let's call it for what it is.

True, if one includes in the definition of a tip it necessarily being a "genuine heartfelt gift", then what I described is not necessarily a tip. Though it might still involve such a type of voluntary tipping if the agreed upon specified service was rendered in such an amazing way that I gave a much larger amount than I would have otherwise for just an average or poor performance of the required service. Moreover there are also other types of tipping besides voluntary tipping that are mandatory payments called "mandatory tipping" that do not fit that particular definition. I'd suggest googling the topic. Similarly, as with this example and usage of the word tip:

"Social psychologist Mike Lynn also has a favourite tipping story, but it's a bit different. He was working at a fine dining restaurant during his student days when a customer called him over and slapped a pile of US $5 notes on the table. The customer declared the money was Lynn's tip, but that he'd take away one fiver for every time his glass went unfilled, his ashtray unemptied, or any other issue that arose. Lynn ended up pocketing a big tip."

https://www.intheblack.com/articles/...-great-service

Likewise I could slap a pile of 10 one thousand baht notes on the table and declare them a hooker's tips if she performed 10 certain services. For each one that she didn't do, I'd take away 1000 baht from her tips.

An upsell by a hooker is when she offers to sell an extra specific service for a set price, such as, for an example, anal for an additional 100 USD, beyond the initial specified set price for basic services, such as 300 USD, for a total of 400 USD. OTOH my offer of a tip differs from such an upsell in that it is not about me selling anything, but buying, and there may be no mention of setting a definite price amount for anything, including the pre tip basic services. So the final amount the PFP gal gets is up to me and may largely involve a "genuine heartfelt gift" as per your seemingly narrow definition of the word tipping.

However, negotiating / offering extra money for what should be services (like BBBJ, DFK, DATY) encourages the worst of behaviors in the girls. The a-la-carte sex is one of the most depressing aspects of paid sex, sadly common across the world. One major reason why people go to places like Thailand or The Philippines is precisely to avoid that, and have some illusion of a smooth sex session, rather than having to fight for every single thing, including taking off the bra.

I only tip if a girl has gone above and beyond, and never tell her beforehand I might tip her. Happens in maybe 20%-30% of the sessions in Thailand these days, and usually no more than token 100-200 baht. As for negotiation, I might ask to confirm if certain things (like BBBJ or 2 shots) are available, but don't offer extra money for them on top of the agreed on session price. If she doesn't do it, too bad, move on to the next one.

Having been with dozens of Thai ladies I've never considered DFK, or kissing in general, as something they "should" do. Neither is it something they tended to voluntarily and spontaneously offer with a new client. In fact there was quite a bit of resistance to it from some, though some other gals were game when asked to engage in it. OTOH BBBJ IME has been usually performed without even a mention, though even that was not guaranteed in every case and I would not opine they are under any obligation to do that either. If I ever felt entitled to such as a jaded monger living for months at a time in LOS, I don't now. As for taking off their bra, I don't recall that ever being an issue. Usually the lady goes for a shower and comes out naked or with a towel on her which is soon removed, even if she claims to be shy. Concerning DATY, not personally interested, and ditto per my remarks re DFK.

Regarding your mode of operation, sir, to each their own. Whatever works for you. Different strokes for different folks. Best of luck. The fun has just begun.

"The poverty got to me. Seeing them with so little and struggling day to day. Was doing 'my part,' but was it enough? Wished I could be a native Robin Hood. Steal from the rich and give to the poor. The rich had so many loaves of bread they would go moldy. Would they miss them?

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/robin-hood