General Reports

[Haven123]

I gave the tablet to my girl and told her to set up an internet plan for it while I sat in the wings. She put it in her name and paid her own money to set it up and came back and told me she put the better plan for 400 baht on it. Hell I figured by then she KNEW it was for her. When we got to my place I told her to go ahead and connect the tablet to the wifi to put programs on it so as not to use up the data allotment. She said why do I need to do that? It is not for me. I could not stop laughing. I said it IS for you.

Well, Mr ENT now I know why some of your girls show up unannounced or your apt security thinks they are your GF!

I have learned through experience that however much I love being a generous guy, sometimes it is wrongly interpreted. A couple of examples from the past 2 years.

1. I had this really cute girl in Lima who I'd spent some time with and last time almost a month. The second time around I brought her a laptop (along with some fabrics specific colors etc she wanted because her mom is great at making her custom dresses). Anyways, she didn't want the laptop because she was fine with her older one. But, she wanted me to buy her shoes. I did that too (and returned the laptop at Best Buy on my return). Great, beautiful chick. But, after that she went around telling some other girls (friends and one of her cousins) that I was going to propose to her! God knows where she got that into her head, but I think girls day dream based on emotional response to stimuli from us. Well, I had to dial back real fast!

2. A couple of other stories from Puerto Plata. One cute, college girl I had been to Lifestyle resort with for a few days and then ended up spending like at least 10 total days of my 5 week visit. She was great and really, really nice. She has a kid and so I would always give her dineros (never asked and never discussed as I met her on Cupid). Anyways, over the 10 days, in addition to Lifestyle, I maybe gave her at least 20 k DR pesos, plus some other gifts like earrings, perfumes etc from the USA. One day she asks if her cousin can come to the pool and I say ok, and sure enough when the cousin arrives, she introduces me as her novio!! I'm thinking to myself, wow! How did that happen? Again, I think girls imagine what they want and then it is kind of like filling in the blanks on their own.

A few other stories very similar, well, at least 3 more in the past 2 years and I always get concerned about setting false expectations.

Funny thing, in Sao Paulo last month, a girl from a prive, beautiful, blond, 20, decides to come with me for the night to my hotel after her prive closes. By the next morning, she is already trying to pick stuff off my chest (blackhead or something). I have seen that before. When they think that really like you long term, they kinda get an image in their own mind, and often one of the clues for me is when they want to pick on something from my back, shoulder, face etc. Like some in the animal kingdom do. Even birds, chimps etc. And then, she sets my up iPhone on whatsapp and plugs her contact stuff in and then she starts whatspping me in between her customers at the prive, when she is working. To me these are all warning signs of where I feel I need to pull back or clearly reset expectations. I mean, really fun girl. Bubbly, great personality. Super Fun ! But still, you can tell when they like you and THEY want and EXPECT more. It's a darn double- edged sword man !

IF I don't, and continue after these cues or signals from the girls (and none were over 22, and I'm in my 50's and speak very few words of Spanish or Portuguese ) , then I think I have allowed false expectations to set in. So, I am now learning. BTW, I like to dance, pretty intensely, And, oftentimes, I think this is where the next day or few days later, they think they have moved on to a new level with me, when from POV, it's a normal thing for me and nothing unique or ground breaking.

The point of all this is to say that sometimes things go unsaid. Chicks draw their own conclusions about you. They imagine things (particularly at say the age of 20,21 or 22). So, now I am ever watchful for those cues and signals and careful to pull back or reset quickly or just move on totally. FWIW. YMMV.

[MusicalToM]

Interesting!

Your logic sounds pretty good. Perhaps it can be tried at least once. However I'm a newbie as well & I've decided to go to any club with an open mind. I'll just put my requirements in front of the girl (each & everything precisely) & any girl who I like and falls under my requirement will be barfined by me for the night. With mongering it's always a risk to choose a girl who matches your mindset, but you have to take the risk unless you want to repeat the same girl who already have matched your needs.

I'm also traveling in March to Pattaya. We both could meet & monger together with some plans / goals to understand the experiments more accurately. .

I have a general bar girl strategy question / "tell me if I am doing it wrong" question. This pertains to my Phuket visit in December but really the question is general. I went as a newbie to Thailand, so I wasn't sure if my strategy was good or not.

I went to this cluster of bars, maybe with Tiger written in front, and I guess I was persuaded by the bar girl team to have a drink there. I was looking to, and so therefore I sat in and was joined by this one girl. I thought she was pretty and reminded me of Michaela Conlin on Bones, though she wasn't a stunner by any means (but pretty and attractive for me). I bought her a drink and she was smiling, etc. We played some of those games for a while. I might have bought her a second drink. I don't remember. I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off...

[Haven123]

The girl that is in bed with me right now does not have the square shoulders that many in those pictures had.

Ah, poor baby! Looks like she is not going to leave. She seems like she will be your LT GF. Better give her a spare key man!

Now, I understand your hair cleanup detail. Anyways, Mr. ENT you rock! .

[EihTooms]

I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off.

Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? I'm not in the best shape these days and so, even though they are really doing it just for the money, I want to make sure that she might be somewhat of a willing partner.

I'm strongly considering going to Pattaya for up to a week in March, and truth be told, my Phuket visit didn't turn out too well. So, that's why I am considering if I was going about it the wrong way.

Any comments appreciated!

My vote is you made the right call. It is one I wish I had made many times over but didn't. lol. Sure, there is always the possibility that some lackluster, non-reciprocating, non-affectionate girl in a bar will turn out to be the most loving and responsive partner you ever had when you get her alone in the room. But the likelihood of a Jekyll and Hyde transformation in THAT direction happening is very slim. Jekyll and Hyde transformations in the OTHER direction are almost commonplace. But the other way around? I wouldn't waste another minute thinking that is what I just missed out on. Her body language was giving you volumes of information whether she wanted it to or not.

[Mr Enternational]

Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)?

The girl is not there to be interested. The girl is there to get money. You never know what you have until you get her back to the room. You may have thought she would not be good because she was not all over you in the bar. Well one school of thought says that an empty wagon makes the most noise. I am sure every guy has had the girl who is all crunk at the club or the bar but when you get her alone you wonder where that girl went and who the girl is that switched places with her. Use all the strategies and methods you want to. There is only way to tell what will be, and that is to get her back to the room. You will win some and you will lose some. Just have fun playing the game.

[Maila]

I have a general bar girl strategy question / "tell me if I am doing it wrong" question. This pertains to my Phuket visit in December but really the question is general. I went as a newbie to Thailand, so I wasn't sure if my strategy was good or not.

I went to this cluster of bars, maybe with Tiger written in front, and I guess I was persuaded by the bar girl team to have a drink there. I was looking to, and so therefore I sat in and was joined by this one girl. I thought she was pretty and reminded me of Michaela Conlin on Bones, though she wasn't a stunner by any means (but pretty and attractive for me). I bought her a drink and she was smiling, etc. We played some of those games for a while. I might have bought her a second drink. I don't remember. I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off.

Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? I'm not in the best shape these days and so, even though they are really doing it just for the money, I want to make sure that she might be somewhat of a willing partner.

I'm strongly considering going to Pattaya for up to a week in March, and truth be told, my Phuket visit didn't turn out too well. So, that's why I am considering if I was going about it the wrong way.

Any comments appreciated!

[Goatscrot]

If the only purpose of your GF was to fuck and you are giving her money then I guess not. You could just as well say that owning a car is not value for money on a per ride basis because it is way cheaper to take the bus. How many people would go out and ditch their car on this factor alone?

If sex is the major part of a relationship it will surely fail. I agree with both of you. Having a GF is not value for money if all you are interested in is sex. If that is the case you are better off with P4 P. The sex fades; it always does. So what are you left with? If you make a smart choice then you are with someone you are compatible with, have fun with, and enjoy being around. A relationship where you give each other space as well. Sex is really far down the list. I would never choose a GF based on sex.

[Mr Enternational]

Having a GF is not value for money on a per fuck basis, I have found.

If the only purpose of your GF was to fuck and you are giving her money then I guess not. You could just as well say that owning a car is not value for money on a per ride basis because it is way cheaper to take the bus. How many people would go out and ditch their car on this factor alone?

[Mr Enternational]

You have received the female perspective. Where she is thinking of a committment, not just a one off thing. She doesn't want to admit that could mean money. However the girl in question is not rich. Sooner or later she will need your financial support on some way as well. All Thai girls do. Its then just a question of degree.

Of course I received the female perspective because that is the gender that the phrase I was questioning originates from. That is why I asked what females mean when they say. I did not ask what males think females mean. A male "perspective" would only be an assumption or interpretation. I could have given my own assumption without bothering the board about it and been wrong. But I wanted to consult and see what experience or info others had gathered during their Thailand times. Why would she not want to admit that it could mean money had that been the case? Do you think they can psychologically or subliminally extract money from me without verbalizing it? I don't just go around passing out money to chicks on the sole basis that we are fucking, unless I know her to be a prostitute.

I disagree that Thai girls will sooner or later need a guy's financial support. I have dealt with a myriad of women here in Thailand and the ones who are not known hookers I have not given 1 baht. And some of those I am still involved with years down the road. And some that I have cut off are still trying to get back in with me. My present girlfriend did not even have a job when I met her 8 months ago and she has never asked me for anything. No birthday gift, no valentines gift, no buy her something to eat, no nothing. Yet she is right here sleeping with her arm around me as she will do everynight if I allow it. The only thing I ever bought her was a tablet and she didn't want that.

I hurt my foot back in September and she took care of me very well while I was incapacitated. Since I met her she would always be reading books on her small ass phone so I thought a good gift to give her would be a tablet so she could enjoy reading more comfortably.

I wanted to surprise her with the tablet so I told her that I would go to the doctor alone that day. But she would not have it. She insisted on taking me as she did everyday since I hurt my foot on the scuba diving boat in Koh Tao. We left the doctor and went to Tukcom where I negotiated for the tablet in front of her, getting her opinion on it and the case. Hell she even heard the lady ask if I wanted it set up in English or Thai and I said Thai. I went upstairs and bought a 64GB memory card then we walked next door to True Move.

I gave the tablet to my girl and told her to set up an internet plan for it while I sat in the wings. She put it in her name and paid her own money to set it up and came back and told me she put the better plan for 400 baht on it. Hell I figured by then she KNEW it was for her. When we got to my place I told her to go ahead and connect the tablet to the wifi to put programs on it so as not to use up the data allotment. She said why do I need to do that? It is not for me. I could not stop laughing. I said it IS for you.

A guy that I know here told me that before choosing a serious chick to make sure that woman is totally down with you and not out to get money. It seems that most guys are total opposite and begin throwing money at Thai women as soon as they meet them. This is where they go wrong. Once you start off one way with a woman you can't come later and change your pattern. Pavlov even taught you that with his dogs. You ring that bell the dogs expect to eat; you ring a Thai woman's phone she expects you will give her money. You have been giving her money every week so she will start depending on that and come to expect it. You cut that off and she is likely to cut you off.

But anyway. My buddy said he met his girl and they were kicking it a while. When he decided to get serious with her, he had to put her to the test. He acted sick for a few months. Even to the point where the girl would have to wipe his ass for him. Friends would come over laughing and about to blow his cover. Some time after he was satisfied with the results of that test he decided to run another test and acted like he was out of money. His girl said that is okay baby I will go get a job. His girl went and got a job and started paying all the bills not complaining at all. When he was satisfied with the results of that test he went and married her and they have been together ever since.

So from my own experience as well as other people who I have come in contact with experiences, I totally disagree that sooner or later you will have to give a Thai woman financial support. Now if you are choosing women off of stripper poles that are 1/3 your age then of course that will be the case. If you start out paying them you can't reasonably expect them to continue on if you stop paying them. How do you figure the woman made it through life her how many ever years without you supporting her financially? Hell, she worked to earn her keep just like every other able-bodied person on this earth should be expected to do.

[Syzygies]

Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.

Thanks,

MHF

Your request is a bit too solution oriented. You should try to specify what things would be exciting and we could comment on how something like that could be arranged.

I have taken as many as 3 girls at a time to my hotel room, and we had a mini orgy. I did not need any other guys but you could have a buddy or two join in if desired. Anything is possible for a price, if the girls understand what they are agreeing to and the price. I recommend selecting girls quite used to performing sex with other persons present. Otherwise girls can be too shy. I used to use girls who do lesbian show at Suzi Wong, and my "orgies" were satisfactory for me. admiral premier was my favourite hotel where they did not blink when took 3 girls to my room, however I was a regular customer at the time. Could have a shortage of towels, so call to reception to ask for additional towels.

Getting this as cheap as Party Treff is quite doubtful, however 3 girls for 2 hours would not break the bank. 6000 Baht could well be possible, given that girls are sharing the work load. If extra guys, the price might go up. 2 hours or all night will be the best deals from a value for money basis.

As for FKK similarity, there are bars where many of the girls are dancing completely nude on a raised stage with good lighting, so you can see their bodies fully and clearly. Some of the girls wander around the bar completely nude. I like this. It's the nearest thing to FKK, perhaps better, as can have girls sit with you for a period to check out the chemistry, merely buying them a drink or two, till you are sure you want to fuck them. It is going to cost you 100 Euros to take a girl away for short time sex, including drinks and barfine, however you can get more than an hour with them, perhaps two hours sometimes. There is no guarantee about the girl's service. She might not know how to do a good BJ. It's a roll of the dice.

Crazy House has best looking girls for me, where Suzi Wong girls on average perform better and are less dick scared (many are young mothers). I had very few really crap girls at Suzi Wong. At CH, it was more like 50/50 so I tend to repeat good girls a lot, to improve my success rate.

[Naked Gunz]

I have found this to be true the very hard way.

As did I. WTF was I thinking!

[Wolvenvacht]

Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.

Thanks,

MHF

If by "German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club" you mean a club that charges you a fixed amount and then you can have sex with as many of the ladies present as you want (or rather can), sometimes even "in the open" with many participants at the same time, then I think you are looking in the wrong country.

Contrary to what many think, Thai are quite conservative in sexual matters. "Orgies" are not something that fits well with the average Thai.

I remember a story of some European swinger couples who organised on a semi-regular basis swinger-parties in Bangkok (or was it Pattaya? After a few parties the Police raided their place and send them all back home to Europe. It wasn't entirely clear on what basis such parties are forbidden as there was no prostitution involved. Probably something as vague of "open debauchery" or "public nuisance", although the parties happened in their apartment.

[Syzygies]

Okay. I finally broke down and asked my girlfriend (that I have never given 1 baht to in the 8 months that I have known her and who is a cashier in a Walking Street gogo bar) what does it mean when a Thai woman tells a man to take care of her. She had no idea what it meant. After 5 minutes of back and forth I suggested she call a friend to ask.

She put me on with the friend and in summary the friend said that it means the same things that it means when a western woman talks about a man being there for her. (I first heard this phrase with my girlfriend my first year at the university and had no earthly idea what it meant then either.) It seemed to pretty much be an emotional thing. In the 2 minutes that I let her ramble on before I gave the phone back to my girlfriend she said absolutely nothing about money, gifts, or other material things

You have received the female perspective. Where she is thinking of a committment, not just a one off thing. She doesn't want to admit that could mean money. However the girl in question is not rich. Sooner or later she will need your financial support on some way as well. All Thai girls do. Its then just a question of degree.

Only the guys here are admitting indirectly it means.

Money. If you meet a girl well paid that costs you less than P4 P, you are doing quite well.

Anyway at least it seems to be well agreed that she does not mean come over and fuck her brains out. Does not mean that sex is not possible. However cross that bridge when the time comes.

I had an ex GF who was a chef. She did not earn that much so I took all the bills and rent etc. I could have lived far cheaper alone and the relationship was not a sexual success. Was more like living with a very close sister. Definitely cost me significant money. She is still like a sister to this day although has become harder to put up with for great amounts of time. She relies on me for help still, not financial but using my time. She has a lot of money now as not have to spend that much in the years she lived with me. No bad habits. LOL except for nagging of course and wanting to tell me a lot of repetitious boring shit about her problems. I have to be there for her even if not physically in the same country. LOL I have to look after her somewhat. She will call me any time she has a problem.

[Sympalogy]

Having a GF is not value for money on a per fuck basis, I have found.

I have found this to be true the very hard way. So if someone is contemplating more than just pussy fun, you should read and re-read that often because it is the truth.

No matter how expensive a P4 P girl is, she is cheaper than the same girl as a GF, of even a bit lower beauty GF.

Not only do they take the money, they also take your time (which is worth more than money) and get your emotions messed up sometimes which also makes you less productive (less money!) than you could be.

Some P4 P girls give better GFE than real girlfriends (especially after the "honeymoon" period ends), and you can change to a new one any time with no drama.

[Mr Happy Feet]

Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.

Thanks,

MHF