General Reports

[Kumbu]

It's a relatively new phenomenon this, the act of procuring Thai girls for sex through virtual means. I've never been a fan or a practitioner, but with the recent posts by Siamsin, Eihtooms and others, I'm beginning to wonder. I looked through the pages of the venerable ISG, and I have not found a robust discussion of this facet of mongering in LOS (plenty of very useful reports, but not really a pros-and-cons kinds of discussion), and so I am hoping to get some insights from you all.

I may be wrong, but I think this wave of online activity of finding freelancers has really come into its own in the last 2 years. It was around before, sure, probably since 2010 or so, but it really wasn't a major thing. In the last 2 years, I think a lot of girls have developed a presence on some of the major apps, they all make use of Line, and they make a good side hustle out of it. And so where the gazelles migrate, so go the lions. For example, reports such as this abound here at ISG:

Been having a very good success rate getting LINE ID's from Thai Friendly

But for me, I have always been hesitant to go that route for two major reasons. I would appreciate any thoughts you have on these reasons, and whether I am being overly cautious. Or am I right in avoiding the online hustle?

To make this work, I need to set up a dichotomy, which is undoubtedly false, but let's do it anyway. Let's just assume, for the sake of this discussion, that there are two kinds of mongers in LOS: the Traditional Monger (TM) and the Online Monger (OM). It should be said that I am imagining this from a visitor's perspective, not an expat's perspective. For the expat, I think being both an OM and a TM makes a whole lot of sense. But it's the traveling monger that I am considering.

The TM is the guy who operates as mongers have since the invention of the pussy and cock: they arrive in LOS, they go to a gogo bar, club, Suk soi 4, soapy, massage parlor, etc. , find a cutie that rings their bell, boinks said cutie, pays up and saunters off in search of noodles and a beer. You know, the regular thing.

The OM, on the other hand, is the guy who starts early (weeks, months before arrival in LOS), cultivating individual avatars on various sites in preparation for arrival in LOS. They are avatars at this point because all you know about them is what they construct online for you to see, so they are not the real thing. They are a virtual representation of something real. Upon arrival, the OM calls in the chips from those avatars one by one, and slowly works down his list of preferred options. When the avatar transforms into a real human being (they meet in real life), the OM has to either follow through with sex+money, or find an elegant way to bail. And if bail is the option, he needs to go down the list of avatars until he finds the right human being. Not to mention individual names here at ISG, but I think we can all identify those that fit into one model or the other. There are, of course, many who do both, and I think this latter group are the ones who can probably respond to this query the best.

So with that typology of mongers established, here are the reasons I hesitate to make the shift from TM to OM (or a mix of the two).

Reason 1: Hassle.

Reason 2: Online shopping.

Hassle

From all I have read about how to make the Thai Friendly or Thai Cupid (or whatever) route work, it seems like you need to put in a lot of work. You need to have a reasonable profile, carefully worded to make clear what you want, and then you have to spend time trolling through dozens of profiles. It sounds like you get lots and lots of hits, and the key to making this plan work is to sift through all the pebbles and find the emeralds hiding within.

Even then, once you find a few of those emeralds, you need to cultivate them. You need to strike up conversations, and get a feel for each one of them, and then make arrangements.

Eihtooms, Siamsin and others have given really nice descriptions of how to do this, and to you all I am indebted.

So the thing about all that is that it sounds like a monumental time commitment. It sounds like a tedious process, fraught with potential pitfalls, and it just seems like an inefficient way to procure what is freely available otherwise. I'm not averse to hard work, quite the contrary. But I am averse to inefficient work, which is what this strikes me as. Can anyone dissuade me of that impression? Am I missing something?

Online Shopping

Remember when no one believed Amazon would work? When everyone was skeptical that people would buy anything online other than books? Now, in 2019, I buy all kinds of shit online, but I only buy things that don't need personal assessment: books, hair gel, Go Pro cameras, cereal, etc. I buy clothes and shoes, but only from brands that I know will fit me. Size 9 shoes from one brand is not the same as size 9 shoes from another. And if you want to try something new, you really need to try it on in person. Alternatively, you can buy something new online, knowing that you may well have to create shipping labels, make the trip to the UPS store and send it back for a refund. Translation: hassle.

So with girls, when I pick up girls in LOS, whether in a gogo bar, a soapie, a night club or off the street, I'm not looking for a vagina. They all have vaginas, so that is a given. What differentiates vagina 1 from vagina 2 are all accoutrements: shape of her legs, hips-to-waist ratio, flab on the belly, liveliness of her skin tone, the bounce in her gait, quality of her finger nails, etc. These are the kinds of things one cannot gauge online, since they are issues of personal fit. The analogy seems absurd now, but it's like a size 9 shoe: not all size 9 shoes fit me properly.

How does one figure out all those other things when interacting with a carefully manicured avatar? How can I tell if the details of her physique will live up to my needs? Perhaps I am being too picky, but that's my concern.

So TM I am, no question about it. But reading the posts on ISG (especially the recent ones), it seems like I might be missing something very substantial with the online scene. Guys, help get this luddite up to speed, please. I have less than two weeks before I hit the dirty streets of Sukhumvit. Should I take the plunge with online mongering options, or should I hold steady to my old ways?

[Sunlover2]

Considering the upcoming general elections in Thailand I wonder if there would be any restrictions / closures of gogos / bars or crackdown on FLs / street walkers. I have a trip planned from 3rd. March for a fortnight. I don't know whether I should postpone it.

I think you should be ok. The election is scheduled for Sunday March 24th, and I can't imagine a nightlife and / or alcohol ban being imposed for more than a week. Close though.

SL.

[Mumbai Guy]

Considering the upcoming general elections in Thailand I wonder if there would be any restrictions / closures of gogos / bars or crackdown on FLs / street walkers. I have a trip planned from 3rd. March for a fortnight. I don't know whether I should postpone it.

[Syzygies]

This report is quite old and Som's haven have changed their name. I'm not sure of the new name I think it's phra phong but the location is opposite to Terminal 21 in this link https://www.stickboybkk.com/bars/som...name-location/ I tried woods bar soi Sukhumvit 7/1 few times now but this seems better in all ways.

Just walk in you get to select the girl picked a girl went up to the room, you can change over to a robe. Then to washroom to clean your tool then you can either sit on the couch or lay down on the bed. Very professional and these girls know how to handle and how to please. It's not just stick it in your mouth and up down motion, the tongue swirling and vacuum and not a feel of the teeth.

Damage 800 baht.

They cannot use Phra in a name because that is a religious word meaning Monk or Buddha image / statue. Ha ha.

Changed both Name and Location. Soi 14 is under redevelopment so moved from there. So it is not quite opposite to Terminal 21, that is a bit misleading. Lucky you link to the info. Duang-porn's Haven. No clue if Som has anything to do with it or not.

[MadMaxy2011]

This report is quite old and Som's haven have changed their name. I'm not sure of the new name I think it's phra phong but the location is opposite to Terminal 21 in this link https://www.stickboybkk.com/bars/som...name-location/ I tried woods bar soi Sukhumvit 7/1 few times now but this seems better in all ways.

Just walk in you get to select the girl picked a girl went up to the room, you can change over to a robe. Then to washroom to clean your tool then you can either sit on the couch or lay down on the bed. Very professional and these girls know how to handle and how to please. It's not just stick it in your mouth and up down motion, the tongue swirling and vacuum and not a feel of the teeth.

Damage 800 baht.

[EihTooms]

I've been meaning to try the airport rail link from Phaya Tai BTS to / from Suvarnabhumi. Not so much to save a bit of money on taxi fare rather than to save time in Bangkok traffic as ET also mentioned. Croc, thanks for the heads up about going to Makkasan MRT instead.

Just as a followup in case this is a concern for anyone. I can understand why someone who has never given it a try would be spooked about getting off the Airport Link Railway at the Lat Krabang station rather than going all the way into the Airport, one more station, to get a taxi to Pattaya. But there really are tons of taxis parked and cruising through the ground level parking lot area right at the bottom of the escalator at the Lat Krabang station. And it is closer to the expressway than the Aiport.

It has been decades since I got a taxi to Pattaya from inside Suvarnabhumi Airport, so I don't know if today there is a queue, a chaotic onslaught of taxi touts or a half mile of concourse to pass through before you get from the Airport Link Railway station inside the airport to where the taxis are. But the Lat Krabang station has none of that. You just go down the escalator or steps and taxis are pretty much all over the place. I have never had other travelers jump ahead of me to flag one over and never seen a line waiting to book one. Unless I hear of a reason I hadn't considered to go all the way into the Airport to get a taxi to Pattaya instead of hopping off the train at Lat Krabang station to get one, I would probably never go all the way into the Airport to get one instead.

It also crossed my mind that IF I did have a problem getting a taxi to Pattaya at the Lat Krabang station for some reason, it would be easy enough to just get back on the next train and go one more station into the Airport to get one anyway. But in the three times I've gone this way, it has not been a problem.

[Sunlover2]

Tuesday 2/19 is a religious holiday in Thailand. I believe it will be 'dry' day, meaning most bars will close midnight on the 18th, and *might* open at midnight on the 19th. Some venues will skirt the law by serving you drinks on the down low. Package outlets like 7-11 will not sell alcohol in observance of the hoiday. There is already a notice up at Foodland saying as much.

Usually hotels who cater to the tourist trade will still serve alcohol, otherwise a quiet time. Plan accordingly.

SL.

[Breadman]

That's a great suggestion. For those of who are not into haggling with taxis, there's also a direct bus from the airport (level right above Airport Link) to Pattaya. Costs 120 baht and goes every hour, though sometimes it gets full and you have to wait for the next one. Taking the Airport Link shaves off 30-40 min off the bus journey as well compared to Ekamai. As a bonus, that bus stops at Central Road, Pattaya South road, or Jomtien (last stop), so you can avoid the leeches at the North Pattaya bus terminal. Last time they had the gall to ask 100 baht for a shared songtaew, which is 10 baht elsewhere. I find the Jomtien station (on Thapphraya Rd, near Thep Prasit Rd interection) more convenient when going back as well.

In addition, if you're closer to Asoke than Nana, taking the MRT from Sukhumvit station up to Phetchaburi (only 1 stop), and then boarding the Airport Link at Makkasan is slightly faster than going to Phaya Thai.

I'll have a wingman so the taxi cost will be split in half. Taking the BTS doubles that price for two people.

[Banana Boi]

I've been meaning to try the airport rail link from Phaya Tai BTS to / from Suvarnabhumi. Not so much to save a bit of money on taxi fare rather than to save time in Bangkok traffic as ET also mentioned. Croc, thanks for the heads up about going to Makkasan MRT instead.

[Crocodilexp]

Ride the BTS train from BTS Nana to BTS Phya Thai, the BTS station that intersects with the Airport Link Railway. Then ride the Airport Link Railway to the Lat Krabang station. Don't ride it all the way into Suvarnabhumi Airport. At Lat Krabang station there will be dozens of taxis available to take you directly to your Pattaya hotel.

That's a great suggestion. For those of who are not into haggling with taxis, there's also a direct bus from the airport (level right above Airport Link) to Pattaya. Costs 120 baht and goes every hour, though sometimes it gets full and you have to wait for the next one. Taking the Airport Link shaves off 30-40 min off the bus journey as well compared to Ekamai. As a bonus, that bus stops at Central Road, Pattaya South road, or Jomtien (last stop), so you can avoid the leeches at the North Pattaya bus terminal. Last time they had the gall to ask 100 baht for a shared songtaew, which is 10 baht elsewhere. I find the Jomtien station (on Thapphraya Rd, near Thep Prasit Rd interection) more convenient when going back as well.

In addition, if you're closer to Asoke than Nana, taking the MRT from Sukhumvit station up to Phetchaburi (only 1 stop), and then boarding the Airport Link at Makkasan is slightly faster than going to Phaya Thai.

[EihTooms]

Anyone have suggestions for a taxi from Bangkok down to Pattaya? Mr Taxi used to be 1,000 then bumped it to 1,100 and is now asking for 1,300 for a small toyota camry. Anyone have anything cheaper or even a minivan in the range of 2,000?

If you have a lot of luggage and that is the reason you need to take a taxi from your Nana area hotel or apartment directly to a hotel in Pattaya, then disregard this suggestion. But I only take a small carry-on case or shoulder bag and this is the way I have traveled to and from Pattaya the last 3 times I've gone there. It isn't going to shave off hundreds of baht vs taking a taxi all the way from Nana to Pattaya. It will either cost the same or perhaps 100 baht less or more. But for those of us who get antsy sitting in traffic and want to get moving it shaves off about an hour of travel time. Maybe more. Mid day it has so far never taken me more than 2 hours in either direction, door to door, to and from BTS Nana to my Pattaya Walking Street hotel. Taking a taxi the whole way has never taken me less than 3 hours but I assume it could be done faster than that if you leave at 1-2 AM or something like that.

Ride the BTS train from BTS Nana to BTS Phya Thai, the BTS station that intersects with the Airport Link Railway. Then ride the Airport Link Railway to the Lat Krabang station. Don't ride it all the way into Suvarnabhumi Airport. Get off at the Lat Krabang station, one station before the airport station. At this point the train rides have cost you, what, about 65-75 baht total I think. And you have only had to wait for two trains for a total of about 5-10 minutes probably unless you were unlucky enough to get to the platforms just as the previous train was pulling away. At Lat Krabang station there will be dozens of taxis available to take you directly to your Pattaya hotel. Of the three times I have gone this way in the past few months, I was easily able to get a taxi to agree to 1,000 baht twice. One time, during the New Years Day Weekend, I was with a Thai girl, I did not want to wave off more than 3 disagreeable taxis, it was a holiday weekend and so I agreed to pay 1,200 baht that time.

Travel back to BTS Nana from my Pattaya Walking Street hotel is simply the reverse of that route. Again, no more than 2 hours, door to door, from my Pattaya Walking Street hotel to BTS Nana. You will have to make sure your driver understands you do not want to be taken into Suvarnabhumi Airport, that you only want to go to the Airport Link Railway station before the Airport station, at Lat Krabang. Show him the map on your phone. This is where you are likely going to still pay the same amount as if you are going to the airport, unless you are willing to negotiate a bit. It isn't as though not taking you all the way into the airport is a great gas or time saver for the taxi driver. So we're talking about 1,100-1,200 baht usually.

Doing it that way cuts out all the inner city Bangkok traffic because that is the leg of the trip where you are riding the BTS train and the Airport Link Railway. One time last year, before I started traveling to Pattaya this way, I took a taxi from Sukhumvit Soi 4 to Pattaya Walking Street. Swear to god, when I factored in the WAITING time for the taxi to arrive, the circuitous route he had to take through traffic just to get on the expressway and the Bangkok City traffic on the expressway, it took me 3 hours and 45 minutes from the time I first stood on Soi 4 with my carry-on bag until I finally got to my hotel on Walking Street. Going the way I do now, NOTHING slows me down from carrying my bag to BTS Nana and getting the hell out of Bangkok City and to Lat Krabang station on the Airport Link Railway within 45 minutes. After that, it will be a taxi ride for 1 hour to 1 1/4 hour to Walking Street. Unless the taxi driver has no idea how to get to Walking Street and gets lost in Pattaya I suppose. Or if there is a lot of slow traffic on the expressway into Pattaya. In which case, every passenger vehicle will be slowed down and stuck in it.

[Rob Jones]

Anyone have suggestions for a taxi from Bangkok down to Pattaya? Mr Taxi used to be 1,000 then bumped it to 1,100 and is now asking for 1,300 for a small toyota camry. Anyone have anything cheaper or even a minivan in the range of 2,000?

We pay Nams 1200 from the airport to Pattaya so I imagine that 1300 to 1400 would be from Nana area but check with her on their Facebook page but I think it was Camry sized vehicle.

[ManBKK]

Anyone have suggestions for a taxi from Bangkok down to Pattaya? Mr Taxi used to be 1,000 then bumped it to 1,100 and is now asking for 1,300 for a small toyota camry. Anyone have anything cheaper or even a minivan in the range of 2,000?

Mr. T,

In Pattaya pick costumers up in Bangkok as well. Check "him" on Google. Perhaps you can find several companies from Pattaya. There cars normally go cheaper, both ways.

[Breadman]

Anyone have suggestions for a taxi from Bangkok down to Pattaya? Mr Taxi used to be 1,000 then bumped it to 1,100 and is now asking for 1,300 for a small toyota camry. Anyone have anything cheaper or even a minivan in the range of 2,000?

[PassinThrough]

What's a DC?

I believe it is a Dick Check. In some places, like Australia, the working girls will do these as soon as the guy undresses. They look for lesions or any discharge that might indicate a Venereal Disease. I thought this had gone out of fashion because it really can't tell you if the person has herpes or most other VD's especially HIV.

PIT.