General Reports

[Balimassage]

I thought this was a sex board. Not a history and political board. Boring!

I second and third the motion. If there isn't a vagina in the post, don't post it.

[DanCee]

I am willing that we take precautions and that we make checks but there they are completely freaked out https://www.youtube.com/watch?<br />...LTjVBZAjQmlK58.

Your link does not work (for me on more than one IP address and hardware). Maybe geospecific, but a waste of time and bandwidth for those of us lured into clickbait and your enigmatic introduction.

Is this deliberate or coincidence?

[MonkeyPaw]

I am willing that we take precautions and that we make checks but there they are completely freaked out https://www.youtube.com/watch?<br />...LTjVBZAjQmlK58.

I mentioned before. All it takes is a letter from a medical provider to be given to the local Thai Embassy for that certification or travel. It's what called a bribe even if it represents a down payment. Nobody can force you to undergo a medical treatment or surgical procedure "once you arrive. " You will still have to pay at the minimum 30,000 baht for quarantine at an ASQ which gave kick backs to the Thai government. You only mission is to get into the country. You can cancel COVID insurance at any time. Once here, you can apply for extensions or a O volunteer visa, unless you already have another type of visa on file. How much do you do for want to be here for the end of the world?

One mission: Just get in.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

I am willing that we take precautions and that we make checks but there they are completely freaked out https://www.youtube.com/watch?<br />...LTjVBZAjQmlK58.

[Banana Boi]

I thought this was a sex board. Not a history and political board. Boring!

[Beijing4987]

Well, I don't know where your sympathies lie and I don't care. Ha Ha. But you do seem to ignore some very relevant recent HK history. I wonder why?

As far as Fun in Shanghai goes: you can have that town. It is over priced and unsafe. Enjoy! It can't hold a candle to BKK, Pat, CGK, MNL or even Singapore or Macau. I wouldn't spend a night in Shanghai let alone punt there under the pre-Corona laws and I can't imagine the place getting any better post Corona or should I say post-Wuhan.

BTW, the Mainland totalitarians have already fucked up HKG mongering. That city was still pretty good for our mutual past time only 8 or 9 years ago. But it really sucks now and I am talking pre-freedom demonstrations back in fall 2018 and earlier. Read my trip report in HKG thread as of that November 2018 date.

Anyway here is a good summation of recent HK/China History and why it should matter to everyone:

"On December 19,1984, after years of negotiations, British and Chinese leaders signed a formal pact approving the 1997 turnover of the colony in exchange for the formulation of a "one country, two systems" policy by China's communist government. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher called the agreement "a landmark in the life of the territory, in the course of Anglo-Chinese relations, and in the history of international diplomacy. " Hu Yaobang, the Chinese Communist Party's secretary-general, called the signing "a red-letter day, an occasion of great joy" for China's one billion people.

At midnight on July 1, 1997, Hong Kong was peaceably handed over to China in a ceremony attended by numerous international dignitaries, including British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Prince Charles, Chinese President Jiang Zemin, and USA Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. A few thousand citizens of Hong Kong protested the turnover, which was otherwise celebratory and peaceful. The chief executive of the new Hong Kong government, Tung Chee Hwa, did enact a policy based upon the concept of one country, two systems, thus preserving Hong Kong's role as a principal capitalist center in Asia.

Massive anti-government protests in Hong Kong began in June 2019, when more than 1 million people marched to protest a bill that would allow the extradition of people to mainland China to stand trial. The bill was later dropped, but anti-government unrest remains. ".

Then the last straw, " Hong Kong's "one country, two systems" formula enshrined in the 1997 handover of the British colony to China was nixed by China's Parliament when it passed the controversial National Security Law for Hong Kong that will provide Beijing with enforcement powers to prohibit and punish acts of secession, subversion, terrorism and foreign interference in the special administration region. President Xi Jinping signed a presidential order promulgating the law after it was approved by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress. The law makers had fast tracked the legislation by passing it on the last day of a special three-day session that began on Sunday, 28 June 2020."

Zhang Zemin is a red **** hair away from a prison sentence, as experienced by his underlings. Boo hoo. The new boss broke a treaty with the former British Empire and the World, and is flexing his and the collective CCP muscle. Ronald Reagan got legacy points for treaties that both sides have broken. I'm well aware of recent Hong Kong history. I have sympathy only for those that suffer from injustice, not for any regimes or institutions. Shanghai has other benefits besides pussy. In that regard I can't compare it to those well travelled in Asia. My work and regular pussy is there. China is a police state and other countries are heading in that direction as demagogues emerge and technology abets them. A new book about Joseph McCarthy, called "Demagogue" profiles his rise and fall. I read the Thai threads for entertainment and intel for future trips, but they have cascaded into huge pissing contests. And my ego drew me in to call into question one pissers view of history repeating itself. American lawyer and demagogue Roy Cohn wrote the Bible of dirty tricks and subversion. Joe McCarthy and those that follow know what works. I can’t change my handle, but would consider Shanghai4987 or Suzhou4987

[Member #4698]

Did you bother to read and digest my response to your post? No. Instead you tried to tar me as sympathetic to the CCP, which I am not. <snip> I'll have fun in Shanghai when foreigners are allowed in again.

Well, I don't know where your sympathies lie and I don't care. Ha Ha. But you do seem to ignore some very relevant recent HK history. I wonder why?

As far as Fun in Shanghai goes: you can have that town. It is over priced and unsafe. Enjoy! It can't hold a candle to BKK, Pat, CGK, MNL or even Singapore or Macau. I wouldn't spend a night in Shanghai let alone punt there under the pre-Corona laws and I can't imagine the place getting any better post Corona or should I say post-Wuhan.

BTW, the Mainland totalitarians have already fucked up HKG mongering. That city was still pretty good for our mutual past time only 8 or 9 years ago. But it really sucks now and I am talking pre-freedom demonstrations back in fall 2018 and earlier. Read my trip report in HKG thread as of that November 2018 date.

Anyway here is a good summation of recent HK/China History and why it should matter to everyone:

"On December 19,1984, after years of negotiations, British and Chinese leaders signed a formal pact approving the 1997 turnover of the colony in exchange for the formulation of a "one country, two systems" policy by China's communist government. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher called the agreement "a landmark in the life of the territory, in the course of Anglo-Chinese relations, and in the history of international diplomacy. " Hu Yaobang, the Chinese Communist Party's secretary-general, called the signing "a red-letter day, an occasion of great joy" for China's one billion people.

At midnight on July 1, 1997, Hong Kong was peaceably handed over to China in a ceremony attended by numerous international dignitaries, including British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Prince Charles, Chinese President Jiang Zemin, and USA Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. A few thousand citizens of Hong Kong protested the turnover, which was otherwise celebratory and peaceful. The chief executive of the new Hong Kong government, Tung Chee Hwa, did enact a policy based upon the concept of one country, two systems, thus preserving Hong Kong's role as a principal capitalist center in Asia.

Massive anti-government protests in Hong Kong began in June 2019, when more than 1 million people marched to protest a bill that would allow the extradition of people to mainland China to stand trial. The bill was later dropped, but anti-government unrest remains. ".

Then the last straw, " Hong Kong's "one country, two systems" formula enshrined in the 1997 handover of the British colony to China was nixed by China's Parliament when it passed the controversial National Security Law for Hong Kong that will provide Beijing with enforcement powers to prohibit and punish acts of secession, subversion, terrorism and foreign interference in the special administration region. President Xi Jinping signed a presidential order promulgating the law after it was approved by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress. The law makers had fast tracked the legislation by passing it on the last day of a special three-day session that began on Sunday, 28 June 2020."

[Pimpampoumpipo]

"A closing narration explains that the aliens' immune systems could not handle the countless billions of microbes that inhabit the Earth, and that humanity has "earned" the right to the planet by virtue of naturally coexisting with the rest of its biosphere."

"in a cubic meter of air, there are between 1. 7 and 40 million viruses! For bacteria, the range is lower: between 860,000 and 11 million individuals per cubic meter. Contrary to what one might imagine, the width of the forks is not linked to the collection sites but to the seasons in which the surveys were carried out. The number of viruses in the atmosphere increased during the winter, peaking in January, and then dropped as spring approached. ".

Le Monde 10-10-2012.

[LittleBigMan]

If you review facts in history rather than a 2,000 year old story you will notice that Hong Kong was taken by force by the British Empire after the two wars to force opium grown in India on China to pay for goods in lieu of silver, which China demanded. UK won the wars and took over China for 100 years. I'm not apologizing for China's behavior to keep the CCP in power, but sanctions will not cow Xi Jing Ping. He has survived multiple attempts to kill him and infighting inside the party. Hong Kong is not pre 1939 Eastern Europe. By the way, do you include Joseph Stalin as a good guy, since his country resisted German aggression? The Covid19 first noticed in Wuhan is a zoonotic disease, jumping to humans from animals according to scientists. Religions and governments evolved to keep the tribe in line. You are correct about the rough ride. Don't gloss over the complexities of diplomacy and militarism. Do some research. China is asserting itself after many years of jingoism and intervention by western powers, and are playing a long game strategy. By the way, the US Military did not win the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese population. Nike was a big winner. Eh?

Being a Chinese American born and raised have family stories as to what the Japanese then the Communist did to my family in China. Still have many relatives in China and Hong Kong, in the end, I say " Get over it and tell the Commie leader Xi the same what is done is done why live in the past with all this be. S. About taking revenge and all this stuff is mines " the reason China asked to be part of the outside world WTO, WHO, United Nation is to move past this stuff if they can't I'm all for a WAR! Bring it on! I'm old enough lived a good life (of course could be better always) and gotten more than my share of pussy! If the world is coming to an end BRING IT ON EVEN THE NUKS! Maybe this should be moved to the " Stupid shit in Thailand "?

[MonkeyPaw]

When this all started, I wrote this will be all about "the haves, the have nots, inequality, and social injustice" spotlighted by a global pandemic that seems to have no end. Nothing has change. Look around the world and you are seeing a perfect storm brewing with all the chaos. I suggest people go out and do whatever is on your bucket list or fuck whatever hot girl you can find or have an orgy. The end is the end.

[Beijing4987]

You can tell your CCP or Xinhua masters that you did your duty to defend the errant ways of the decadent westerners who defame the honor of China. The fact that the CCP has trolls like you on this kind of website shows the level of fear it has for "Truth, Justice and the American Way"! LOLOL. The Politburo are just as scared of their own members who might turn on them to gain an advantage in their bureaucratic rise to the inner circle of power. Meanwhile at the same time they are planning their escape route should they get put on the termination list some where. Retirement in the CCP is more likely a bullet in the head than a nice lifetime pension! Have fun in Beijing and watch your back.

Did you bother to read and digest my response to your post? No. Instead you tried to tar me as sympathetic to the CCP, which I am not. I even stated that. China has enough economic and political power to challenge "the land of the free and the home of the brave, in god we trust, but not militarily. The US has 800 bases around the world, controls the oceans, and has China surrounded.

You and I have no control how this will play out. You are correct about the people in the power structure being nervous and watching their backs, but Xi has taken out those in the rival Jiang Zemin faction by jailing them for corruption, not by "a bullet in the back of the head. By the way, I chose my handle randomly. I dislike Beijing. The people are very aggressive and rude. I stay in Shanghai and Suzhou. If you had checked out my posts about these locations you would realize I'm not a stooge for the CCP. As I advised you before, do your homework before you make erroneous statements about "hearts and minds". The Land of Free was taken by force by European invaders and built by slave labor. The Land of the Free has a long ugly history around the world and many have not forgotten. This is my last response to you. I'll have fun in Shanghai when foreigners are allowed in again.

[Rodwint2]

If you review facts in history rather than a 2,000 year old story you will notice that Hong Kong was taken by force by the British Empire after the two wars to force opium grown in India on China to pay for goods in lieu of silver, which China demanded. UK won the wars and took over China for 100 years. I'm not apologizing for China's behavior to keep the CCP in power, but sanctions will not cow Xi Jing Ping. He has survived multiple attempts to kill him and infighting inside the party. Hong Kong is not pre 1939 Eastern Europe. By the way, do you include Joseph Stalin as a good guy, since his country resisted German aggression? The Covid19 first noticed in Wuhan is a zoonotic disease, jumping to humans from animals according to scientists. Religions and governments evolved to keep the tribe in line. You are correct about the rough ride. Don't gloss over the complexities of diplomacy and militarism. Do some research. China is asserting itself after many years of jingoism and intervention by western powers, and are playing a long game strategy. By the way, the US Military did not win the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese population. Nike was a big winner. Eh?

You can tell your CCP or Xinhua masters that you did your duty to defend the errant ways of the decadent westerners who defame the honor of China. The fact that the CCP has trolls like you on this kind of website shows the level of fear it has for "Truth, Justice and the American Way"! LOLOL. The Politburo are just as scared of their own members who might turn on them to gain an advantage in their bureaucratic rise to the inner circle of power. Meanwhile at the same time they are planning their escape route should they get put on the termination list some where. Retirement in the CCP is more likely a bullet in the head than a nice lifetime pension! Have fun in Beijing and watch your back.

[GettingFedUp]

It's a lot of info to absorb plus current alerts good thru July 31. Has anyone heard off the grapevine if restrictions will ease up by August 1? Or file under "wishful thinking"?

CTC,

The short answer is you've got no chance.

The proposed "easing" on 1 August looks like being for migrant workers to work in construction or food export and foreigners organising trade shows, who work in film production or hold an Elite Visa. (https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...t-staff-influx).

These are in addition of the limited categories already permitted entry https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/index.php (beneath the scoreboard).

ALL will be subject to 14 days quarantine which in the case of foreigners is at their own expense.

I'd venture that your November flight belongs in the "wishful thinking" file, the August one in the file marked "abandoned hope".

[CenTexCrash]

Hi thread,

Not sure if anyone on forum can help me with this logjam, back in April, Korea Airlines had a secret sale for Dallas-Bangkok $345 rt. I booked one flight in August and exact same flight in November. My original idea was use the August trip as a gateway to places around SEA, may involve landing in BKK Friday night, stay at a hotel and catch a flight out of DMK first thing Saturday morning. Maybe will have time to check the BK / PT monger scenes. Especially since looks like Bali is off the menu for now.

Scouring internet for official advisories about US Citizens allowed into Thailand, even for under 24 hour self transit purposes. It's a lot of info to absorb plus current alerts good thru July 31. Has anyone heard off the grapevine if restrictions will ease up by August 1? Or file under "wishful thinking"?

[Beijing4987]

If this is your perception of the situation, then this must be the "End of Times" as the Holy Bible foresees. Not quite the "Rapture" as people are not dying or disappearing in mass numbers. These times are rather a good opportunity for all of us to reflect and consider how we are treating each other and not just because we are facing the coming end of the world. You are right that we should be looking at the issue of what "God" has in store for all of us.

Most religions of the world have in common one overriding goal as I see it. It is to provide a social framework for people to live in some sort of civilized nature to allow for the betterment and advancement of mankind. My view is that this is the beginning of a new battle for religious and social freedom (ie good and evil) between dictatorships like China, Iran and Russia, and the rest of the free world.

It has been 75 years since the last battles for the hearts and minds of the world, so I expect we are due for another go at it again. I am betting on the "good guys" to win again in a war that will take more than the 36+ million deaths in WWII unfortunately. China started last fall when it unleashed the Wuhan virus on the world. The new laws in Hong Kong and new "islands" in the South China Sea are like the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia before the start of WWII. Again, we are in for a rough ride in the next few years!

If you review facts in history rather than a 2,000 year old story you will notice that Hong Kong was taken by force by the British Empire after the two wars to force opium grown in India on China to pay for goods in lieu of silver, which China demanded. UK won the wars and took over China for 100 years. I'm not apologizing for China's behavior to keep the CCP in power, but sanctions will not cow Xi Jing Ping. He has survived multiple attempts to kill him and infighting inside the party. Hong Kong is not pre 1939 Eastern Europe. By the way, do you include Joseph Stalin as a good guy, since his country resisted German aggression? The Covid19 first noticed in Wuhan is a zoonotic disease, jumping to humans from animals according to scientists. Religions and governments evolved to keep the tribe in line. You are correct about the rough ride. Don't gloss over the complexities of diplomacy and militarism. Do some research. China is asserting itself after many years of jingoism and intervention by western powers, and are playing a long game strategy. By the way, the US Military did not win the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese population. Nike was a big winner. Eh?