General Reports

[PedroMorales]

I hate the grotesque xenophobic caricatures which consist in caricaturing and accusing countries and their people. I know that some journalists or editorialists make it their business.

At this stage there is no certainty. And all directions must be investigated.

Nevertheless I hope that to say that the virus comes from Wuhan in China and that perhaps it appeared following faults or errors is not regarded as sinophobic. It is hoped that the whole world can learn from its mistakes. How to do it if we hide them ? Fortunately we are in a globalized world where speech is destined to be free in all nations or we go directly to the world that George Orwell described in 1984 (unless we are already there ? ).

I think it is not a service to the people of China and to the world to hide the truth. There is a huge desire for free speech in China and it should be encouraged. I remind that the first doctor in China who launched the coronavirus alert and who died from it, Li Wenliang, was first imprisoned by the Chinese authorities for "spreading rumors". He is now considered a national hero in China.

China is not to blame for the languid and downright criminal responses in Europe and the USA. Stop blaming others, like you are a child.

George Orwell, mr 1984, was a government informant, part of thew 1984 system. A nasty, nasty, little man.

I thought the Ryanair link was good as it showed one major company intends to be around for a few more rounds and that air and hotel price wars on the way, which is good for mongers. However, regarding this site's focus, I don't know if the old days can come back. Much older folk will remember Burgos St in Singapore, which was like Sodom and Gomorah on steroids. Some have mentioned wild places in the PR China, which are now gone.

I figure a lot has to with how the various authorities want to move post lock down. If it was up to me, I would want women as they spend the money and we see that increasingly in Thailand and Pattaya. Guys just spend money on beer and broads.

But it is not my call. I figure the more adventurous and horny Chinese, Indians and Koreans will still want their weasels greased and the market will be thee for them. Maybe a smaller, more discreet and more expensive scene, where the only losers would be Cheap Charlies and the women we pay to love? Cash will be king and I am cash rich, so suggestions post Covid19 please.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

I hate the grotesque xenophobic caricatures which consist in caricaturing and accusing countries and their people. I know that some journalists or editorialists make it their business.

At this stage there is no certainty. And all directions must be investigated.

Nevertheless I hope that to say that the virus comes from Wuhan in China and that perhaps it appeared following faults or errors is not regarded as sinophobic. It is hoped that the whole world can learn from its mistakes. How to do it if we hide them ? Fortunately we are in a globalized world where speech is destined to be free in all nations or we go directly to the world that George Orwell described in 1984 (unless we are already there ? ).

I think it is not a service to the people of China and to the world to hide the truth. There is a huge desire for free speech in China and it should be encouraged. I remind that the first doctor in China who launched the coronavirus alert and who died from it, Li Wenliang, was first imprisoned by the Chinese authorities for "spreading rumors". He is now considered a national hero in China.

[Franciscass]

Which is precisely why I have no problem calling this the Chinese Virus or Wuhan Virus.

A descriptive adjective is supposed to give meaning to the noun it precedes. Describing a corona virus as Chinese is misleading. It suggests it has a unique Chinese characteristic whatever that might mean, it does not. To date science has identified hundreds of corona viruses so why not be accurate and call it a coronavirus or use the acronym Covid-19.

Let's be real about what this is about and how it started. It originated at a Trump briefing and is being used as a deflection to his accepted disastrous response to dealing with the virus in the US. It's simple China bashing no more no less and appeals to his xenophobic base.

But hey stop, it's allover, Covid-19 is no longer a problem, a simple injection of Dettol with maybe a splash or two of bleach thrown in and you are good to go.

[MrClen]

Smoothy you dog! Your China experiences sound great. I was fortunate to visit ChangPing in 2011 and Big Swingin Dave showed me around and made sure I was set up good in the various high end KTV's where otherwise I might not have ventured and stuck to the saunas instead. All I can say now is: It was an amazing side trip. So many hot Chinese girls & overflowing Flower Streets. Heaven Above! 555. I wish I could go back in time and do it again and again, but you can't. I have never been anywhere like it or even close to it before or since.

Now I really like Macau because that is where you can still do top quality Chinese girls in the better saunas (at unfortunately astronomical prices), oh well nothing is perfect, but Macau never held a candle to ChangPing in it's former glory days. And then one day the Chinese Communist Government said enough / no more and ChangPing was all over in a heartbeat. Moral of the story: appreciate what you have because everything can change overnight. I really dig tall, thin, light skin Chinese girls. They are very different from Thai girls in body and personality. I have no idea if the Macau saunas will ever reopen after Wuhan. If they are over too, that's it for China and all its satellites and colonies as far as I am concerned. I will never go back. HKG was already on my avoid list for the last 5 years and forget about Shanghai.

I also had Big Dave as a guide the times I got to visit CP before the big crackdown. It was a mans paradise on earth in those days!!

[PedroMorales]

Yeah, Bill Maher has apparently had enough of the Left's Political Correctness and phony wok sensitivities. Just give me the facts he states. It is the Wuhan Virus because it comes from Wuhan. Duh! And while we are on the subject check out his "fake News" video.

https://youtu.be/UcvIQJ-QurQ.

Interesting! The point being we should all be getting fed up with this "panic porn" "fake news" regardless of which side of the political spectrum we hail from. It is really dumb and dangerous. What the fuck has happened to the 4th estate? Trump is not a justifiable excuse for their dropping long held journalistic standards. The ends do not justify the means except in totalitarian regimes.

Bill Maher is an unfunny comedian, who gets off for attacking Trump et al. The video you linked is just him rambling. He has no part in fighting Covid19, which is its name. Cut down on the Sinophobia as it does not belong here. If you want people to vote for Biden or whoever, post where rhat belongs, not here.

Here is Michael O'Leary of Ryanair, saying air lines will be up and running again in July and there wil be the mother of all price wars in hotels, air tickets etc. O'Leary's opinion is valuable. Maher is a sad and ignorant clown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtccxnEmfeM.

[Smoothy]

Yeah, Bill Maher has apparently had enough of the Left's Political Correctness and phony wok sensitivities. Just give me the facts he states. It is the Wuhan Virus because it comes from Wuhan. Duh! And while we are on the subject check out his "fake News" video.

https://youtu.be/UcvIQJ-QurQ.

Interesting! The point being we should all be getting fed up with this "panic porn" "fake news" regardless of which side of the political spectrum we hail from. It is really dumb and dangerous. What the fuck has happened to the 4th estate? Trump is not a justifiable excuse for their dropping long held journalistic standards. The ends do not justify the means except in totalitarian regimes.

Is there anyone who still believes these complete country shut downs were a good move?

https://townhall.com/columnists/kevi...n-had-n2567516

[Member #4698]

Which is precisely why I have no problem calling this the Chinese Virus or Wuhan Virus. It's about the origin. Bill Maher said it best in the link below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

Yeah, Bill Maher has apparently had enough of the Left's Political Correctness and phony wok sensitivities. Just give me the facts he states. It is the Wuhan Virus because it comes from Wuhan. Duh! And while we are on the subject check out his "fake News" video.

https://youtu.be/UcvIQJ-QurQ.

Interesting! The point being we should all be getting fed up with this "panic porn" "fake news" regardless of which side of the political spectrum we hail from. It is really dumb and dangerous. What the fuck has happened to the 4th estate? Trump is not a justifiable excuse for their dropping long held journalistic standards. The ends do not justify the means except in totalitarian regimes.

[Allover]

On the other hand it is not a Chinese virus, virus's have origins but not nationalities.

Which is precisely why I have no problem calling this the Chinese Virus or Wuhan Virus. It's about the origin. Bill Maher said it best in the link below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

[Pimpampoumpipo]

Could you imagine if in December all countries prevented people from China from entering their countries then now we would all be enjoying the company of our favorite hotties all around the world, except China of course.

Absolutely! I went to Pattaya in February and China was already confined. I went immediately to immigration control because there were no queues. At some of the counters the police were waiting there were no passengers.

Heaven.

[GDreams]

The world has learnt an important lesson. In future, wherever there is a similar outbreak other countries will immediately prevent nationals from that country from entering their countries. Could you imagine if in December all countries prevented people from China from entering their countries then now we would all be enjoying the company of our favorite hotties all around the world, except China of course.

Of course there are many foreigners living, visiting or transiting China. It pretty difficult to prevent them returning to their home countries, especially when up to 50% show now symptoms when affected. The big difference between this and previous scares is that this virus is highly contagious. Once the genies was out of the bottle it was not going back in.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

Could you imagine if in December all countries prevented people from China from entering their countries then now we would all be enjoying the company of our favorite hotties all around the world, except China of course.

Absolutely! I went to Pattaya in February and China was already confined. I went immediately to immigration control because there were no queues. At some of the counters the police were waiting there were no passengers.

Heaven.

[The Cane]

The world has learnt an important lesson. In future, wherever there is a similar outbreak other countries will immediately prevent nationals from that country from entering their countries. Could you imagine if in December all countries prevented people from China from entering their countries then now we would all be enjoying the company of our favorite hotties all around the world, except China of course.

What about expats living in China who may have been exposed to the virus? Should they have been denied the opportunity to come home? I know some countries have forbidden even their own citizens from returning from "hot zones", but this has traditionally been repugnant in the USA where citizens by law cannot be denied entry. And under the right circumstances, lawful permanent residents must be permitted to enter as well. Plenty of other countries approach this like the USA does. In fact, not letting your citizens return is the exception versus the rule. This is a reality that cannot be ignored. In this super connected world, as long as this kind of movement is allowed to happen, then stopping "people from China" from entering is not going to be some fail safe approach to blocking spread of this very contagious virus. Some of those people are not Chinese citizens, but citizens from countries around the globe. And, their governments will let them come back home if they want to, and even arrange for flights to help make that happen. And with that, the virus is going to spread.

[Turgid]

For me most likely it is not man made and it's origins are similar to SARS and MERS but its not impossible it came from the lab.

Like most "news" nowadays what one believes depends on what one reads or listens to. If there is a political dimension which there most certainly is in the US with Covid-19 what you believe can often depend on ideology rather than science.

The US blames China, China retaliates by blaming the US. For me, China most certainly screwed up their initial response when it was critically important to contain the spread and we are all paying the price now.

On the other hand it is not a Chinese virus, virus's have origins but not nationalities.

Anyway it's all the f**king same where it came from or who is to blame, it's here and it's one big pain the ass that doesn't look like it going away anytime soon.

The world has learnt an important lesson. In future, wherever there is a similar outbreak other countries will immediately prevent nationals from that country from entering their countries. Could you imagine if in December all countries prevented people from China from entering their countries then now we would all be enjoying the company of our favorite hotties all around the world, except China of course.

[Gargano19]

This virus story is starting to become completely delusional. Everyday seems like a crazy day.

Based on Thailand numbers, you're not wrong. I was taking a walk around Sukhumvit last evening around 6 pm, and everything seems normal. People were coming from their offices, traffic was enough (not as usual ofcourse) and girls were standing around typical pickup-points.

Won't be long before all those girls left starts to come back.

[Franciscass]

In coming months countries will have an important decision to make: either no lockdown like Sweden or allow their economies to be further ruined.

Lock downs stop transmission and save lives. Lock downs cause economic hardship especially where there is ineffective government intervention by way of compensatory payouts. Lock downs for most people are emotionally and physically oppressive.

Whenever reopening's start no matter how good social distancing, wearing masks, sanitizing measures work more people will die as a result, the virus is still out there. That's the reality until a vaccine is found.

So where is the point where the trade off in lives meets the requirement for life to return to some semblance of normality, where we can travel, go have a beer, a meal, get a massage have our hair cut, work out at the gym etc etc.

The so called herd immunity response which seems to be the thinking behind the Swedish model and which was the original response in the UK doesn't seem at least so far to have any basis in reality as it would require in excess of 50% infection rates.

You are correct dude. It's f**king complicated.