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[EihTooms]

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Maybe 1% mongers come to Thailand and 99% of everybody else.
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You know, the question I have asked myself many times over the years is why DO these non mongers spend the money, fly so many hours and go through the language and culture hassles to come to Thailand.

I get that vacationing families come to sight see, check out the Grand Palace, gawk at a temple or two, eyeball some amazing shopping malls and such. Maybe a trip to the crocodile farm, elephant ride and the floating market. But you can check all those boxes in 2 days. Then what?

I understand Bangkok is usually the top #1 or #2 visited city on Earth, usually competing with London for the top spot. But isn't much of that the result of it being a major airport hub pass through city? And many people who are on their way to another Asian destination decide, what the hell, might as well stay a night or two in Bangkok as long as I need to fly in anyway? And for that reason as well there might be business opportunities or meetings here.

Seriously, I can't think of one reason I would recommend a single man or a group of single men to fly 24+ hours on a plane to get to Bangkok or Thailand in general if it weren't for the girls and P4P action here. To shop in fabulous malls? Ride an elephant? Feed a crocodile frozen chicken parts? Visit a temple? You can do that stuff anywhere. IF you would even want to, that is. Why bother to go all the way to Thailand to do it other than to say you did?

[Mr Enternational]

I have heard the Thai authorities wants to close these places but I don't think it's practical. Will anyone come to Thailand if they close NPE, WS or cowboy? Yes I am expecting these to stay close by August.

When I have been in a plane to and from Thailand it has never been full of mongers. When I have been at immigration coming into or leaving out of Thailand it has never been full of mongers. When I have been in the lobby of Suvarnabhumi it has never been full of mongers. When I see all these double decker tour buses they are never full of mongers. Maybe 1% mongers come to Thailand and 99% of everybody else. So what, if the 1% never comes back? And of that 1% how many actually go to Nana, Walking Street, Cowboy, Patpong, Bangla? The game is on the web now.

[Gargano19]

I think you might be overlooking the fact that Thai people really dislike the farang P4 P scene and would like to see it gone. Sadly we don't fish in the same pond as the locals and for the most part are not welcome there. If we did, we'd have no worry about venues being pressured. This is the perfect opportunity for the authorities to make it so difficult for these businesses to operate that most just shut. That is the Thai way. Don't go after things directly, do it in an indirect manner.
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So no, I don't believe Thailand will be the same when it comes to P4 P. Far from it.

I have heard the Thai authorities wants to close these places but I don't think it's practical. Will anyone come to Thailand if they close NPE, WS or cowboy? Yes I am expecting these to stay close by August.

"Thailand will be same" like pre-covid, well that's subjective. Places change and I'm sure somethings will change, maybe those who Monger here regularly notice the difference but those who come 1-2 times a year, for them it won't matter much. Asians, where will they go, South America, Eastern Europe? They will still come to Thailand and spend huge money in gogos like before. So, "it won't be same" ie very subjective to the person in question.

[HorseTrader]

I think you might be overlooking the fact that Thai people really dislike the farang P4 P scene and would like to see it gone. Sadly we don't fish in the same pond as the locals and for the most part are not welcome there.

I'm certainly not an expert in Thai culture, but I expect something different. When it is again safe to travel, many farang punters won't travel because they have less money than prior years due to not working for quite some time. Fewer P4P tourists will be arriving. Meanwhile, many Thai hospitality businesses will have gone a long time without income and they will be eager for just about any source of money. The industry will not recover immediately when safe to travel, but we will be welcome to spend our money in the same kinds of ways that we did pre-COVID19.

[Artisttyp]

I have never been to Thailand but have been following this thread for awhile now. Some very insightful responses here.

I too believe this will have a huge impact on Intl mongering for the short long term if that makes sense. Let's call that a year from now at the very least UNLESS some breakthrough happens. I do also think countries that openly flaunt red-light areas may come under international scrutiny to abide by certain global health codes or face ecomonic sanctions.

Mongering will still exist but more underground and geared towards discreet escort semi pro type situations. A more personal level would be the upside.

Health checks upon landing on foreign soil and maybe more extensive than expected?

These are all opinions obviously. I truly hope that I am wrong with all of these predictions.

I am craving a good mongering trip right about now.

[Mr Enternational]

Put in restrictions that make it very difficult for GoGos, oilies, etc to open. Restrictions pertaining to cleanliness, social distancing, etc. All the while making it virtually impossible for these businesses to continue.

This would go for regular massage parlors, discos, and normal bars as well then right? Afterall, how would they differentiate?

[PrickPriority]

Now I have 6 regulars (4 pre-covid haha) and I only used to meet 2 out of those 4 every week. Other 2 were twice a month. Now I have extra 2, which makes it complicated. Either someone will gets cut out of my list or I will meet them more because of post-covid restraint service.

I'm impressed with your number of regulars. Seems like you put in the work. Are these from the sugar sites?

[Goatscrot]

Thailand is no doubt one of best place to do easy mongering, girls are easy to find and $30-60 shops to fuck are everywhere. But there's no denying that many clubs are not making same level of profits as they were 10 years ago, from what some owners told me. Maybe internet and option to pick girls online is one reason. Maybe stronger baht or weaker Russian currency or both. Or maybe the fact that girls are making a lot more than they were before. Couple of clubs owners on WS who told me in December during my last trip to Pattaya that if March wasn't a high season, then they will be closing their clubs. Well I don't have to ask them now if they're going to close it or not. By November, the clubs which can withstand this beating or new players who are eager to bet, will be open and running well. No way Thailand will have shortage of mongers. Clubs will be packed. Clubs will still make small profits enough to keep it going. Thailand is like well oiled juggernaut machine, people will come here no matter if there are cheaper options or beautiful girls available elsewhere.

I think you might be overlooking the fact that Thai people really dislike the farang P4 P scene and would like to see it gone. Sadly we don't fish in the same pond as the locals and for the most part are not welcome there. If we did, we'd have no worry about venues being pressured. This is the perfect opportunity for the authorities to make it so difficult for these businesses to operate that most just shut. That is the Thai way. Don't go after things directly, do it in an indirect manner. Put in restrictions that make it very difficult for GoGos, oilies, etc to open. Restrictions pertaining to cleanliness, social distancing, etc. All the while making it virtually impossible for these businesses to continue. I can honestly see this happening. Entertainment venues are not going to be opening any time soon. The gov has already said that pubs and the like will the be last to open. So July? Aug? Can't see any movement till then. How many GoGos and oilies can survive till then? And remember many are not getting rent breaks because landlords get key money and deposits, so if the place goes out of business, it just means they can get that initial chunk again. Will there be P4 P? Of course, but it will move even more online. So will guys want to come here to sit in their hotel rooms and spend time making online hookups? I really don't think that many will. So no, I don't believe Thailand will be the same when it comes to P4 P. Far from it.

[Goatscrot]

The market is just pretty saturated for gogos. Thats a big deal. They used to be investments and bought and sold fairly liquid if the owner wanted, or they could change it up easily to a different format and customer base (to my understanding). The market is just saturated now with them so overall each spot isn't bringing in as much. It'll even itself out and repeat. The internet definitely had an impact, but the club is selling a different experience, its just that the market that was once there for it, the clubs expanded, yet business went down.

I mean, lets also laugh a bit, that the situation they got into is basically the SE Asian copycat business model: Someone opens up a good business that's doing well, and then 4 other people open up completely identical businesses right next to the original, and later, they all wonder why they aren't making enough money, I mean the original business did, who would have thought if we opened up 4 more the customers wouldn't flock 4 X more?

Costs of running a GoGo are way higher than they were before, especially when it comes to the gals. Rents are absurd, constantly rising alcohols prices mean most dudes drink less as well. The current model is not sustainable. And when some reopen, many won't, there won't be hordes of guys coming here due to travel restrictions and just not having as much disposable income for a time. Lots of local dudes here, but most just aren't interested in the insane prices.

[GrapeMan]

Thailand is no doubt one of best place to do easy mongering, girls are easy to find and $30-60 shops to fuck are everywhere. But there's no denying that many clubs are not making same level of profits as they were 10 years ago, from what some owners told me. Maybe internet and option to pick girls online is one reason. Maybe stronger baht or weaker Russian currency or both. Or maybe the fact that girls are making a lot more than they were before. Couple of clubs owners on WS who told me in December during my last trip to Pattaya that if March wasn't a high season, then they will be closing their clubs. Well I don't have to ask them now if they're going to close it or not. By November, the clubs which can withstand this beating or new players who are eager to bet, will be open and running well. No way Thailand will have shortage of mongers. Clubs will be packed. Clubs will still make small profits enough to keep it going. Thailand is like well oiled juggernaut machine, people will come here no matter if there are cheaper options or beautiful girls available elsewhere.

The market is just pretty saturated for gogos. Thats a big deal. They used to be investments and bought and sold fairly liquid if the owner wanted, or they could change it up easily to a different format and customer base (to my understanding). The market is just saturated now with them so overall each spot isn't bringing in as much. It'll even itself out and repeat. The internet definitely had an impact, but the club is selling a different experience, its just that the market that was once there for it, the clubs expanded, yet business went down.

I mean, lets also laugh a bit, that the situation they got into is basically the SE Asian copycat business model: Someone opens up a good business that's doing well, and then 4 other people open up completely identical businesses right next to the original, and later, they all wonder why they aren't making enough money, I mean the original business did, who would have thought if we opened up 4 more the customers wouldn't flock 4 X more?

[Pimpampoumpipo]

Concerning the State of Emergency, the Prime Minister of Thailand will take his decision in 1 Week.

The Thai Prime Minister said today, Tuesday April 21, 2020, that he would decide in 1 week whether the state of emergency should be extended beyond April 30, 2020.

He added that the collaboration of people to fight infections and the updated information from the Ministry of Public Health will be essential to his decision. Although the situation appeared to be improving, he said he did not want to hastily lift the restrictions. He added that he will not be pressured and will rely, first and foremost, on medical information and whether the country would be prepared to handle the situation after the restrictions were lifted.

He said if things got worse after the restrictions were relaxed, all the work to curb the contagion would be a waste of time.

The Prime Minister also called on economic operators to propose measures they would take after the relaxation of the Lock.

For their part, local businesses and businesses hope that the government will loosen some restrictions this week to give them some breathing space after being severely affected by the "Covid-19" epidemic.

As a reminder, the government put the country in a state of emergency from March 26 to April 30,2020 and imposed a curfew from 10 pm To 4 am On April 3, 2020 until further notice.

[Gargano19]

Then I came to my senses and settled on a compromise idea; I told her I would fund her way back to Bangkok, set her up with the required first two months' rent for a room of her own near her sister, friends, wherever she was happy, I really didn't care as long as it was no hassle for her to come to see me once or twice a week. I told I would make sure she had enough income stream to cover her minimal expenses of rent, electric, phone and food as long as we were still happy being together at least one Long Time per week. Knowing that it would occasionally be twice a week.

That's pretty neat. I had a similar arrangement with a girl earlier last year for 2 months. Instead of paying her rent or bills, I was paying her straight up 1000 b. She used to work at an agency and her fee was 5000 b 2 hours, so it was a great deal. Arrangement was for LTs at my place 2 days a week. She was 32 but I would have never guessed until she told me. She maintained herself really well with regular gym and cautious diet. Sex was awesome with her, one thing she was fit, second she was nympho. We used to fuck multiple times at night, and sometimes whole afternoon. Also she cooked dinner couple of times, which was fun me massaging her boobs from behind while she is cooking something. Obviously after 2 months I got bored and called off the arrangement but I tipped her really well. We never met after that but she went to England with some Brit pfew months ago, so good for her.

After that I never try to make such long term arrangements for 2 reasons, one it is easy to get bored after so much sex with one girl no matter how awesome it is, second I was out of Thailand for 2-3 weeks every month till December last year, so no point.

Now I have 6 regulars (4 pre-covid haha) and I only used to meet 2 out of those 4 every week. Other 2 were twice a month. Now I have extra 2, which makes it complicated. Either someone will gets cut out of my list or I will meet them more because of post-covid restraint service.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

Online mongering scene might expand to some extent, but I personally hate it..

Yes me either I don't like too much. Between what we see on the screen and what actually happens in general is rather disappointment.

[EihTooms]

That's the benefits of regulars. There's obvious downside of fucking same girl, but both sides know what to expect, girl gets way more comfortable, and experience gets more GFE-ish and less mechanical.

All my regulars who left to their hometowns will be back by mid May, unless there's some unusual surge in cases.

One of my favorite regulars had fled to her province the week the bars closed. Then she began complaining about being bored, broke and missing me "too mutt" in her province. Said she wanted to come back to Bangkok to live with me until the bars open again. Have to say I was tempted with this one for a hot minute because she pretty much knocks most of my requirements out of the park.

Then I came to my senses and settled on a compromise idea; I told her I would fund her way back to Bangkok, set her up with the required first two months' rent for a room of her own near her sister, friends, wherever she was happy, I really didn't care as long as it was no hassle for her to come to see me once or twice a week. I told I would make sure she had enough income stream to cover her minimal expenses of rent, electric, phone and food as long as we were still happy being together at least one Long Time per week. Knowing that it would occasionally be twice a week.

The rent is 3,500 baht per month with air con use electricity extra. Nothing is in my name. Not a bad room and building really. By my calculation and so far over the past several weeks I am spending way less than I did buying LDs, paying her barfine and keeping her or almost any other bargirl for LT once per week before. And the level of appreciative GFE is well worth the money. I pick and choose which days and nights she comes to my place and she never disappoints. She did have a distracted time or two before when she was busy at her bar. But not now.

[Gargano19]

Thailand is no doubt one of best place to do easy mongering, girls are easy to find and $30-60 shops to fuck are everywhere. But there's no denying that many clubs are not making same level of profits as they were 10 years ago, from what some owners told me. Maybe internet and option to pick girls online is one reason. Maybe stronger baht or weaker Russian currency or both. Or maybe the fact that girls are making a lot more than they were before. Couple of clubs owners on WS who told me in December during my last trip to Pattaya that if March wasn't a high season, then they will be closing their clubs. Well I don't have to ask them now if they're going to close it or not. By November, the clubs which can withstand this beating or new players who are eager to bet, will be open and running well. No way Thailand will have shortage of mongers. Clubs will be packed. Clubs will still make small profits enough to keep it going. Thailand is like well oiled juggernaut machine, people will come here no matter if there are cheaper options or beautiful girls available elsewhere.