General Reports

[Gargano19]

Luckily, I have more willing and eager favorite regulars, P4P and non pro, than I can keep happy per week. Five right now, lost a 6th to her province recently but another one is due back in town any day now.

That's the benefits of regulars. There's obvious downside of fucking same girl, but both sides know what to expect, girl gets way more comfortable, and experience gets more GFE-ish and less mechanical.

All my regulars who left to their hometowns will be back by mid May, unless there's some unusual surge in cases.

[Nounce]

1 - Seven NEP bars have quit and handed back the keys already. They are London Calling (actually closed pre-Covid), Mandarin (closed pre-lockdown), Lollipop, and all four Rainbow bars.

Only Rainbow 1 and 3 are closed.

[Nounce]

One of my friends from the US has a lot of GoGo gals he keeps in touch with. All are asking him for money. He told 'them he has a friend that would gladly meet up with them, but all are too frightened. Most of my friends who have regulars are complaining that their gals are not wanting to kiss and are scared.

This maybe true but it is not consistent with the reports we have seen here.

[EihTooms]

Well, we can agree to disagree. The oilies peaked in the early '10's, GoGos have not been great since the mid-00's IMHO, and the freelance scene was never the same after the '11 floods. I'm more worried about the attitude of the providers after this. Thais are always afraid of getting sick. One of my friends from the US has a lot of GoGo gals he keeps in touch with. All are asking him for money. He told 'them he has a friend that would gladly meet up with them, but all are too frightened. Most of my friends who have regulars are complaining that their gals are not wanting to kiss and are scared. Afraid this is not going to go away in a few months. Big world events like WWII, The Great Depression, etc leave marks on all that go through them. I'd put forth this pandemic is the biggest world event since WWII and a far bigger health event than HIV. We will be entering into a new "normal. " I'm not happy about it, but that's the way we are headed.

Luckily, I have more willing and eager favorite regulars, P4P and non pro, than I can keep happy per week. Five right now, lost a 6th to her province recently but another one is due back in town any day now.

However, if I relied on getting NEW girls in the street or online (I work hard to set aside a free day and night for that every few days) who would fit my specs for youth, looks and fuck and suck skills and willingness, I might not have gotten well laid or sucked off but once out of at least a dozen approaches over the past 3-4 weeks.

That is about the ratio of new takers I've had for "boom boom no condom" OR BBBJ+CIM with or without some minor "kissing on the lips" included during these supposedly economically desperate times. I'm talking about daytime, afternoons or 1-2 hours before the 10pm curfew when I am the only potential customer in any direction as far as the eye can see.

And for the online girls, I'm talking about girls whose opening statements are how they have no job and no money, haven't had either in weeks.

Mind you, I have not approached girls on the street or clicked girls online who are too fat, too old or too homely even for my rather liberal range of acceptability. So maybe times have never been better for guys with a more liberal range of acceptability and certainly for those punters for whom covered sex is just fine and would never choose a CIM finish anyway.

How or if that mindset continues after the lockdown is over is anybody's guess. But until then and perhaps for a couple of years thereafter I am guarding and treasuring my tried, true and reliable regulars like so much top quality gold. Happily, the same way they are treating me.

[Goatscrot]

You guys need to get called out a bit, its still the golden age in Bangkok. This is just nostalgia from the past, we all get it sometimes. The current scene was going extremely strong, it just wasn't as hilariously cheap or perfect as it was 40 years ago (I wasn't there then, but have heard plenty on it). Someone showing up to BKK in 2019 would be having an amazing time and not even know there was something else before. It is still (pre-covid) one of the top and cheapest spots in the world. I've been to a lot of the spots--Thailand is fucking value and a half. Please don't argue that back in the day it was 1000 baht instead of 2000 now. The shit is still quite good. When you can go to Tulip for PSE for 2000 baht or get to walk around Nana looking for your right girl to take home for not too much more, we're in business. Let alone all the escort site prices that are very reasonably priced for a hottie. Yeah, OK that Tulip girl is a bit older, and the bar fine is a little more, and there's more tourists, sure, there is, but everything is still going well.

Hell I would say the scene was even better now than it was 10 years ago. Lots of places have improved, internet and smartphone made stuff even easier. Prices are still dirt cheap.

That being said, its going to take some serious time to recover after all of this, and I do wonder when the tourist market will begin to flourish again in Bangkok (it may in the south before Bangkok), so in that time I wouldn't be surprised if many girls found other stuff to do, went home, or went the thai guys scene instead of asians / farangs.

I'm not gonna argue that we won't see additional regulation after this that puts the scene at risk, thats 100% a possibility the govt could do, I haven't heard any thoughts of that happening, but its happened in plenty of other spots, happening in Thailand wouldn't be too crazy, hell even the Dutch crack down year after year.

Well, we can agree to disagree. The oilies peaked in the early '10's, GoGos have not been great since the mid-00's IMHO, and the freelance scene was never the same after the '11 floods. I'm more worried about the attitude of the providers after this. Thais are always afraid of getting sick. One of my friends from the US has a lot of GoGo gals he keeps in touch with. All are asking him for money. He told 'them he has a friend that would gladly meet up with them, but all are too frightened. Most of my friends who have regulars are complaining that their gals are not wanting to kiss and are scared. Afraid this is not going to go away in a few months. Big world events like WWII, The Great Depression, etc leave marks on all that go through them. I'd put forth this pandemic is the biggest world event since WWII and a far bigger health event than HIV. We will be entering into a new "normal. " I'm not happy about it, but that's the way we are headed.

[Goatscrot]

I remember some time last year some blokes complaining of high prices and less good looking providers and I remember stating that some time in the future those would be the good old days. Never thought it would be so soon.

Well stated. The scene was pretty stable for my first six or so years here. That would be 99-06. Started to wane a bit after the 06 coup. Oilies kicked into gear then, so that was a saving grace. Talent started to slip there about the time of the second coup. The last 5 years have been a rather steep decline. And now, well, sheesh!

[GrapeMan]

We are in line with both our assessment of the situation and our feelings about the online scene.

It's really a shame, I was hoping my 50's and 60's would be filled with great mongering opportunities. It was one of the reasons I chose to move her. Guess not. Glad I came over here 20 years ago to catch the end of the golden age. Everything prior to this March seems like nostalgia now.

I too have heard about how great Korea was prior to the olympics. One guy who lived there at the time said the bar scene was better than BKK ever was, and it was all gone in an instant. Closed Dec 31st 1987. Here no need for heavy handedness, that is not the Thai way; simply don't allow the places to open for a while longer and make regulations that will be difficult to comply with. And there you have it. Sigh, it really is depressing.

You guys need to get called out a bit, its still the golden age in Bangkok. This is just nostalgia from the past, we all get it sometimes. The current scene was going extremely strong, it just wasn't as hilariously cheap or perfect as it was 40 years ago (I wasn't there then, but have heard plenty on it). Someone showing up to BKK in 2019 would be having an amazing time and not even know there was something else before. It is still (pre-covid) one of the top and cheapest spots in the world. I've been to a lot of the spots--Thailand is fucking value and a half. Please don't argue that back in the day it was 1000 baht instead of 2000 now. The shit is still quite good. When you can go to Tulip for PSE for 2000 baht or get to walk around Nana looking for your right girl to take home for not too much more, we're in business. Let alone all the escort site prices that are very reasonably priced for a hottie. Yeah, OK that Tulip girl is a bit older, and the bar fine is a little more, and there's more tourists, sure, there is, but everything is still going well.

Hell I would say the scene was even better now than it was 10 years ago. Lots of places have improved, internet and smartphone made stuff even easier. Prices are still dirt cheap.

That being said, its going to take some serious time to recover after all of this, and I do wonder when the tourist market will begin to flourish again in Bangkok (it may in the south before Bangkok), so in that time I wouldn't be surprised if many girls found other stuff to do, went home, or went the thai guys scene instead of asians / farangs.

I'm not gonna argue that we won't see additional regulation after this that puts the scene at risk, thats 100% a possibility the govt could do, I haven't heard any thoughts of that happening, but its happened in plenty of other spots, happening in Thailand wouldn't be too crazy, hell even the Dutch crack down year after year.

[GettingFedUp]

We will see in the long run.

As the renowned economist John Maynard Keynes wrote nearly a century ago "In the long run we are all dead".

[McAdonis]

Since you cannot get immuniity (absent a vaccine) without exposure to the virus, all the quarantineing does is stretch out the deaths and not overwhelm the medical system, not reduce the number of total deaths.

If Sweden can manage to continue to stay at or just under its medical system capacity for the duration of the pandemic, I think your statement holds true. But if the number of cases spiral out of control, and some Swedish start to die because there were a shortage of ventilators, than needless people might die.

Here is a 44-year old coronavirus survivor who was on a ventilator for six days. This guy is a relatively young marathon runner who has exercise induced asthma but is otherwise healthy, And that ventilator might have been the difference between life and death. https://www.businessinsider.com/davi...20-4?r=DE&IR=T.

[Turgid]

We are in line with both our assessment of the situation and our feelings about the online scene.

It's really a shame, I was hoping my 50's and 60's would be filled with great mongering opportunities. It was one of the reasons I chose to move her. Guess not. Glad I came over here 20 years ago to catch the end of the golden age. Everything prior to this March seems like nostalgia now.

I too have heard about how great Korea was prior to the olympics. One guy who lived there at the time said the bar scene was better than BKK ever was, and it was all gone in an instant. Closed Dec 31st 1987. Here no need for heavy handedness, that is not the Thai way; simply don't allow the places to open for a while longer and make regulations that will be difficult to comply with. And there you have it. Sigh, it really is depressing.

I remember some time last year some blokes complaining of high prices and less good looking providers and I remember stating that some time in the future those would be the good old days. Never thought it would be so soon.

[Beijing4987]

Oil prices crashed today folks. It's being called a Double Black Swan. Has everyone on ISG contacted their epidemiologist relatives to comment?

[Dena0]

That's the best expert advice according to who? To the people who don't give a shit about the world economy and are willing to have lock down for years? If you live in a dream fantasy world, then that is a possibility. But here in the real world, all that will do is cause the 2nd great depression while the corona cases are stretched out ad infinitum. They will not go to zero even with the lock down. People will die of starvation (especially in third world countries), suicide or drug abuse from depression, etc if they can't earn money.

Sweden most likely did it the right way. Get it over and done with as quickly as possible rather than kill the economy and let it go on for years. We will see in the long run.

Best advice according to epidemiologists in confronting a pandemic. However, the horse has already left the Wuhan barn and a global lockdown is unrealistic, which is why the pragmatic approach worldwide is likely to be graduated slackening of the lockdown with controls on localised hotspots.

There is no altering the fact that a depression is already all too likely and the unfortunate term 'culling of the herd' is already well in progress, whether we like it or not. Too many variables at play now. Oil at a negative price, CO2 unavailability leading to likely interruption of clean water and significant parts of the food chain. Who'd have thunk it?

[Goatscrot]

Well said. This is grim, but realistic. It's highly likely this will be the end of the Farang P4 P scene in Thailand as we know it. The scene has been in decline for a long time, and it's easier to kill off now than ever. Had the pandemic happened in the 1990's when sex tourists mattered to the economy, perhaps it could rebound, but those times are over. As an aside, a few old Asia hands I talked to mentioned how P4 P for foreigners in South Korea was excellent prior to the 1988 Olympics, the event that authorities used to clean it up. A fairly large scene still remains, but only for locals.

Across Thailand, the puritans are already using the chance to ban alcohol, although the link to the risk of spreading the virus is tenuous, far more indirect than with prostitution.

Cultural attitudes towards P4 P around the world have turned sharply negative due to the HIV epidemic in the 80's and 90's, and I suspect they'll go even more negative in the aftermath of Covid-19, even once a vaccine is available. Local scenes that are already halfway underground like Jakarta, KL or HK might survive, albeit in a diminished state. Foreigners in general won't be too popular for a while either in many places, so more girls in those local scenes might refuse foreign customers (some already do).

No idea about Angeles, I've been hearing it's in decline too, but perhaps PI is sufficiently corrupt to allow it to remain, and it might attract enough sex tourists exiled from other places to keep it viable.

I see no positives for our hobby except maybe a short term increase in freelancers due to desperate economic conditions, but this will be short lived and the number of foreign mongers able to tap into it will be limited.

Online mongering scene might expand to some extent, but I personally hate it. Online P4 P basically involves begging, digging and waiting for pussy rather than enjoying the process of choosing among many girls eager to be with me within 20 min of meeting.

We are in line with both our assessment of the situation and our feelings about the online scene.

It's really a shame, I was hoping my 50's and 60's would be filled with great mongering opportunities. It was one of the reasons I chose to move her. Guess not. Glad I came over here 20 years ago to catch the end of the golden age. Everything prior to this March seems like nostalgia now.

I too have heard about how great Korea was prior to the olympics. One guy who lived there at the time said the bar scene was better than BKK ever was, and it was all gone in an instant. Closed Dec 31st 1987. Here no need for heavy handedness, that is not the Thai way; simply don't allow the places to open for a while longer and make regulations that will be difficult to comply with. And there you have it. Sigh, it really is depressing.

[BodyAnybody]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/sout...-show-why.html

Poor countries like Mexico, PI and Brazil are in denial. Not even reporting infections or death rates accurately. They don't care primarily because they have no money to treat any sick person anyway. One of the reasons the US has totally shut down border with Mexico. Only commercial traffic coming through.

The Border with Mexico isn't shut down. I was just in Mexico over the weekend to see my regular girl. No questions asked on the way in to Mexico as usual, but I did get additional screening on my way back into the US. I think this is just because the agents on staff were assholes though.

[Crocodilexp]

Yep, it isn't going to be pretty for mongers in LOS. I would also imagine that the gov along with many Thais would love to get rid of the what they consider eyesores, and that is the GoGos and the farang P4 P scene. Especially in the capital city. GoGo bars are an easy target as are the oily massage parlors. Soapies have been dead in the water for years as Thai businessmen no longer frequent them. The gov will use this as a way to finally rid BKK of the sexpat and sex tourist. Regulations will be put in place that make it impossible for many of these places to re-open, even if they can withstand the lockdown financially. The scene will migrate online even more and as you stated the gals that can attract local men will have nothing to do with foreigners. The future for foreign P4 P in Thailand, Bangkok especially, is pretty bleak. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. As far as P4 P goes, I would imagine Angeles City and Jakarta will see few changes coming out of this. HK will be the same as well.

Well said. This is grim, but realistic. It's highly likely this will be the end of the Farang P4 P scene in Thailand as we know it. The scene has been in decline for a long time, and it's easier to kill off now than ever. Had the pandemic happened in the 1990's when sex tourists mattered to the economy, perhaps it could rebound, but those times are over. As an aside, a few old Asia hands I talked to mentioned how P4 P for foreigners in South Korea was excellent prior to the 1988 Olympics, the event that authorities used to clean it up. A fairly large scene still remains, but only for locals.

Across Thailand, the puritans are already using the chance to ban alcohol, although the link to the risk of spreading the virus is tenuous, far more indirect than with prostitution.

Cultural attitudes towards P4 P around the world have turned sharply negative due to the HIV epidemic in the 80's and 90's, and I suspect they'll go even more negative in the aftermath of Covid-19, even once a vaccine is available. Local scenes that are already halfway underground like Jakarta, KL or HK might survive, albeit in a diminished state. Foreigners in general won't be too popular for a while either in many places, so more girls in those local scenes might refuse foreign customers (some already do).

No idea about Angeles, I've been hearing it's in decline too, but perhaps PI is sufficiently corrupt to allow it to remain, and it might attract enough sex tourists exiled from other places to keep it viable.

I see no positives for our hobby except maybe a short term increase in freelancers due to desperate economic conditions, but this will be short lived and the number of foreign mongers able to tap into it will be limited.

Online mongering scene might expand to some extent, but I personally hate it. Online P4 P basically involves begging, digging and waiting for pussy rather than enjoying the process of choosing among many girls eager to be with me within 20 min of meeting.